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Old Posted Oct 11, 2017, 6:52 PM
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Phoenix's First Protected Bike Lanes

Nice development. Bollards haven't been too successful in the Phoenix-area (see McClintock in Tempe) but hopefully these fare better.

https://downtownphoenixjournal.com/2...ed-bike-lanes/

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In an ongoing effort to make City of Phoenix streets safer and more bicycle-friendly, the Street Transportation Department recently installed the city’s first protected bike lanes on 15th Avenue between Van Buren and Jefferson streets.

“This is just the first step in our effort to build safe, protected bike lanes in the City of Phoenix,” said Mayor Greg Stanton. “We’re sending the message that everyone deserves to feel safe on our streets – and these new protections have already improved the transit experience for drivers, cyclists and pedestrians.”

The new protected bike lanes along this stretch of 15th Avenue feature a painted buffer zone with flexible bollards that give bicyclists more protection while clearly signaling to drivers the potential presence of bike traffic. The bollards will also help discourage vehicles from illegally parking in bike lanes. The City also added green paint spot treatments to the new bike lanes to help increase visibility and identify areas where bicycle and car traffic might mix...

...With the addition of the new bike lanes on 15th Avenue between Van Buren and the I-17, 15th Avenue now features a nearly 10-mile continuous bike lane system between Dunlap Avenue and the 1-17.

The City will continue to assess new and existing bike lanes and additional mechanisms for creating separation between cars and bikes to promote safe traffic flow for all modes of transportation.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2017, 9:09 PM
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Is sky harbor getting new landscaping? Passed through today and noticed the grass was all gone.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2017, 9:34 PM
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They likely are just over-seeding it.

To install a winter lawn you have to scalp the Bermuda grass, it grows back when the weather heats up in spring.
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2017, 4:37 AM
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News from PHX T3 concourse

Hi All,

I have heard the T3S is schedule to open in late-2018 or early 2019. Only for south concourse.

As for T3N, right now they are on design phase. It will open in the year 2020.
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2017, 6:16 PM
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Nice development. Bollards haven't been too successful in the Phoenix-area (see McClintock in Tempe) but hopefully these fare better.

https://downtownphoenixjournal.com/2...ed-bike-lanes/

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The look of progress.

With respect to "McClintock in Tempe" are you referring to this?

Unsurprisingly, Anonymous Bob has his own distasteful view of Bollards expressed less than a month ago.

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Old Posted Oct 12, 2017, 6:18 PM
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Cool, but why not just ride on the side walk?
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2017, 6:21 PM
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Cool, but why not just ride on the side walk?
Partly because it's not legal but mostly because riding on the street is far safer. Motorists are not looking down the sidewalk when the poke out of a driveway or side street, their eyes are looking at the road to see if any cars are in their way. They're likely to see you riding a bike if you're on the road, but if you're coming down the sidewalk at 15-20mph you're not going to be in their line of sight until it's too late. Getting right-hooked is the biggest danger of riding on the sidewalk yet it still happens from time to time on the road, as well. Imagine traveling down the sidewalk and a car traveling in the same direction passes you and then makes a right turn directly in front of you - rarely does anyone do this intentionally - this mistake is likely to happen because when a driver is not sharing the roadway with you they are far more likely to miscalculate your speed or not notice you. This often results in t-boning the car and injury only to the cyclist.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2017, 2:49 PM
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Welcome development: "[Valley Metro] hopes to fix the light rail's public image by implementing a new code of conduct that prohibits unruly behavior and gives light-rail security guards more flexibility to remove passengers."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...ail/750819001/

My only concern is that there's no mention of non-service dogs on the train. I've never fe!t at risk on the train due to my fellow humans, but occasionally due to their unconfined canine companions.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2017, 3:08 PM
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Welcome development: "[Valley Metro] hopes to fix the light rail's public image by implementing a new code of conduct that prohibits unruly behavior and gives light-rail security guards more flexibility to remove passengers."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...ail/750819001/

My only concern is that there's no mention of non-service dogs on the train. I've never fe!t at risk on the train due to my fellow humans, but occasionally due to their unconfined canine companions.
For all of the horror stories I have heard, my personal experience on light rail hasn't been that bad, to a degree that's what you are going to get on public transit, especially on public transit that doesn't have a turnstile gate to keep free-loaders off.

Either way this is still a good move, you are on valley metro property, its intended as a conveyance not as a hang out, a place to sleep/urinate etc. They should be removing people not using it for its intended purpose, bothering others or not paying.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2017, 7:09 PM
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Welcome development: "[Valley Metro] hopes to fix the light rail's public image by implementing a new code of conduct that prohibits unruly behavior and gives light-rail security guards more flexibility to remove passengers."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...ail/750819001/
How timely... this is one of the issues I've specifically been looking at and posted a related comment two days ago which is easy to share.

I've also read about the issues in Phoenix so Valley Metro's response is encouraging as I find the current situation discouraging. Per the linked article:
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Valley Metro CEO Scott Smith says he hears one common refrain from people fed up with public transportation: "I won't ride the light rail anymore."

It worries him. "The perception of light rail as a safe transportation has suffered. And we hear it a lot," Smith said.
This is not an issue that's unique to Phoenix.
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I want to be safe and secure
(and comfy, cozy)

I recently had the 'pleasure' of reading the King County Metro RapidRide Performance Evaluation Report from 2014. Lots of fun and interesting stuff in that pdf. One area where their survey results suffered related to Goal F or "Do you feel your route is safe and secure on and off the bus?" Of the six Rapid Ride routes, three were deemed adequate and three were found to be lacking.

MTS beefs up security on trolley and bus lines
Sep 30, 2017 By Abbie Alford - CBS 8 San Diego
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SAN DIEGO (NEWS 8) - The San Diego Metropolitan Transit System is stepping up security on its trolley and bus lines by adding more uniformed code compliance and security officers checking tickets.
This is more than just about catching fare evaders
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"I fee like it's safer now because we have more officers covering the ground in case someone needs help and making sure everyone is safe on the line," said MTS Code Compliance Inspector, Sergio Iniguez.
Chances are that some of the scofflaws are also the rabble rousers on the bus/train so average riders feel more secure when compliance officers are present.

I've now read several cities where security is a growing concern with riders. Given that 'planning' is a male dominated field it's a good idea to give extra care and (reasonable) expense to benefit all our female friends who tend to be more sensitive to their personal security.
And the 1st response I got was this:
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A lot of the girls I work with really don’t feel safe taking the train home from downtown late at night. Can’t say that I blame them... with all the homeless people and “scrubs” on the train at night. Shame that downtown seems to be infested with such people. I don’t even walk on 16th anymore, I’d rather walk 15th and hopefully be accosted by less homeless people and heroin junkies
As I said, Phoenix is not unique. One of my overriding themes is that in order for transit to compete they're going to have to offer a more competitive product. Beyond the platitude it gets complicated but transit can and it needs to evolve & improve. A good place to start is that riders are customers and treat them accordingly.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2017, 4:17 PM
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As I said, Phoenix is not unique. One of my overriding themes is that in order for transit to compete they're going to have to offer a more competitive product. Beyond the platitude it gets complicated but transit can and it needs to evolve & improve. A good place to start is that riders are customers and treat them accordingly.
Yes, it's hardly unique to Phoenix. As a teenager growing up in the suburbs of NYC, I remember a sort of thrill with riding the big, bad subway before it was cleaned up in the '90s. As an adult, I would not have tolerated it as much. In terms of public perception, some critics have moved on from fatuous, counterfactual statements that "no one rides light rail" and are now scapegoating light rail for crime and homelessness. Neither is good, but it's still a sign of success that light rail is accepted as part of the infrastructure here and now the effort is to make it work as well as possible for passengers using it for its intended purpose.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2017, 4:19 PM
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Here's an interesting email I received from the city. Apparently, there's a new partnership with Lyft for rides to and from selected transit destinations. I assume that means light rail stations and express bus park-and-rides, but it will be interesting to learn the details. I might find this useful in the worst of the summer heat when it's too hot to bike to/from the train or wait for a bus transfer.

MEDIA ADVISORY


Phoenix Public Transit and Lyft Launch New Pilot Program

The Phoenix Public Transit Department and Lyft announce their partnership to pilot a new program to provide a safe, reliable and sustainable transportation network. The "First Mile Last Mile" program will provide discounts to Lyft users who are connecting to Phoenix bus lines from homes and businesses. The main goal is to have transit within reach of all Phoenix community members.

New passengers will be able to use the code PHXRIDES to get $5 dollars off their first 4 rides. Existing users can use the code TRANSITPHX to get 20% off their rides to and from select transit stops.

What: Partnership kicks off with a brief presser, free day bus passes and a free $5 Lyft ride to the first 25 attendees!

When: Wednesday, Oct. 18, 9:15 a.m. to 10 a.m.

Where: 27th Avenue / Baseline Park-and-Ride, 27th Avenue on southbound Baseline Road

Scheduled to speak:

Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton

Phoenix Public Transit Director Maria Hyatt

Lyft's Regional General Manager Drena Kusari

Media interested in attending are asked to RSVP to Matthew Heil by email matthew.heil@phoenix.gov or by phone 602.534.0108.

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Old Posted Oct 14, 2017, 9:43 PM
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Partly because it's not legal but mostly because riding on the street is far safer. Motorists are not looking down the sidewalk when the poke out of a driveway or side street, their eyes are looking at the road to see if any cars are in their way. They're likely to see you riding a bike if you're on the road, but if you're coming down the sidewalk at 15-20mph you're not going to be in their line of sight until it's too late. Getting right-hooked is the biggest danger of riding on the sidewalk yet it still happens from time to time on the road, as well. Imagine traveling down the sidewalk and a car traveling in the same direction passes you and then makes a right turn directly in front of you - rarely does anyone do this intentionally - this mistake is likely to happen because when a driver is not sharing the roadway with you they are far more likely to miscalculate your speed or not notice you. This often results in t-boning the car and injury only to the cyclist.
I didn't mean it as an insult and what's going on in Phoenix is truly remarkable. It's cool the city is creating bike lanes -- but 15th avenue?

First, police aren't actually enforcing people riding bikes on sidewalks, if they were they would be pulling over little kids in every single neighborhood in America. Secondly, saying it's safer to ride with traffic in the street as opposed to an already separated and dedicated sidewalk -- I'd like to see sources, not that you are wrong, but curious none the less to see the difference in safety.

I'm sure there aren't too many pedestrians on 15th avenue clogging up the sidewalks for cyclists or vice versa where there is just too much cyclist activity hogging the sidewalks from those pedestrians.

If the city creates dedicated bike lanes with dedicated barriers along the arterials with road diets, now that's something else -- I'm all for it!
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