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Old Posted Apr 16, 2012, 6:10 PM
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Your city's most vibrant/urban Black neighborhoods/intersections

What are the busiest, most concentrated areas of Black commerce in your city?

This topic interests me because in nearly every city across the US, black neighborhoods were almost systematically destroyed due to urban redevelopment, expressways, rioting, suburban flight, crime or other factors. Today, they are so few and far in between. Only NYC has neighborhoods close to their original state in abundance.

Chicago South Side:


79th Street - http://g.co/maps/8723e Its one of the most intact streets on the South Side, even though it still suffered its own urban decay. It reaches its most vibrant point at 79th and Cottage Grove (pictured). It also has a good mix of bookstores, community centers, ethnic African/Jamaican shops and restaurants. Its one of the more diverse, best mixed-use examples of a majority black commercial street in the city.

47th/MLK Dr. (Green Line) http://g.co/maps/yjrbg - This intersection in Bronzeville was historically the center of Black Chicago, with a storied history of music, politics and social change, like that of Harlem. It fell on hard times, and has been struggling ever since, but there are fragments of redevelopment, though its occurring very slowly. The potential is huge, as its walking distance to Hyde Park, beautiful architecture and rapid transit access.

Jeffrey/71st. http://g.co/maps/gwqfd This is one of the more dense areas of the South Side (look at this aerial http://binged.it/HZWtpl ), it also has a sizeable middle class population to support a diverse range of services. Whats interesting is the commuter rail that runs through it, at street level.

63rd/Western http://g.co/maps/t98hs (picture most likely taken on Sunday morning). 63rd street is one of the most tragic stories in Chicago. 63rd/Halsted was once the second busiest commercial area in Chicago after downtown, now reduced to urban prairie. Even though the Green Line EL travels down two stretches of the street, most of what exists on 63rd are remnants of a vibrant past, until you go further west. In Englewood, Western/63rd starts a vibrant Black shopping district that increasingly becomes Latino the further west you travel.

111th/S.Michigan Avenue - http://www.streetsandsoul.com/roundup/roundup296.jpg (my picture, google maps is cut off from this stretch for some reason) All the way in the "Wild 100's" or Roseland as its known technically, this stretch of street is akin to what kind of commercial activity you'll find in anyghetto USA. (hair, clothing, liquor, barbershops, cornerstores, currency exchanges). Its still vibrant enough to mention though.


West Side


Chicago Avenue - http://g.co/maps/2z89n Chicago Avenue functions similar to 79th, but for the west side. There's no real intersection that's the most vibrant, as it maintains a decent level of activity for a long stretch

Madison and Pulaski - http://g.co/maps/5wxze Similar to 111th and Michigan, This intersection is a busy during the day, but at night becomes a major area of vice you don't want to stumble into if you have no business there. Madison Avenue is also a tragic story similar to 63rd, if not worse. The Riots in the 60's obliterated most of the street.

Central/Lake (Green Line EL) http://g.co/maps/pnshk Though its really not more than a block, its still worthwhile to mention for its resilience.

North Side

Howard St. - http://g.co/maps/ng6kh At the Northern terminus of the Red Line is a notorious neighborhood, known as "The Jungle". It shares part of its border with South Evanston, which is also majority black. Numerous attempts have been made to gentrify this area, but they've mostly fallen flat. This area is also known for its large Jamaican and Haitian population.
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For Memphis, its Orange Mound, which was the first African American neighborhood in the U.S. built by African Americans, which was built on the former land of the Deaderick Plantation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Mound,_Memphis
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2012, 7:14 PM
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^ do you have any descriptions/current pictures of Orange Mound's most vibrant intersections?
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Cincinnati has several neighborhoods with vibrant/urban black intersections/strips.

Pick any street north of Liberty Avenue that runs north-south in Over-the-Rhine and you'll see plenty of examples. Linn Avenue in the West End is vibrant, though quite...umm...hood. You can find countless examples of that on UrbanOhio.com

Peebles Corner in Walnut Hills is the eastside's most active, "vibrant" black commercial corner with street vendors, Jamaicans selling bootleg LV bags, chicken shops, "urban" retail, hipster bars, etc.
http://www.urbanohio.com/gallery/alb...rt+1+--024.jpg
http://www.urbanohio.com/gallery/alb...rt+2+--013.jpg
http://www.urbanohio.com/gallery/alb...rt+1+--016.jpg

The Evanston neighborhood is also a large hub of a black commercial strip which birthed James Brown, L.A. Reid, and Babyface's careers:
http://www.urbanohio.com/gallery/alb...Evanston22.jpg

College Hill is perhaps the most vibrant middle-class black business/neighborhood in the city, ironically on the city's border with other black middle-class suburbs. Black coffee shops, restaurants, stores, etc.
http://www.urbanohio.com/gallery/ind...College%20Hill

There are, of course, other black commercial districts within Cincinnati (Woodburn, Reading, etc) but I wouldn't exactly call them vibrant.
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In Toronto, Eglinton West is the only inner-city commercial area that is predominantly black (in this case, Jamaican). The others are mainly in the suburban areas (Jane St, Weston, parts of Scarborough, etc) or mixed in with other businesses around the city (Kensington, St. Clair, and Bloor seem to have the highest concentration in the central city).
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Columbus has several areas of vibrant, black commerce as well.

The Linden/Five Points area is the largest with Jamaican smoke shops, black retail (not just "urban"), chicken-n-waffle restaurants, Haitian restaurants, bookstores, barbershops, community centers, etc. It is the hub of northeast Columbus ("Old City"):
http://www.urbanohio.com/gallery/ind...orhoods/Linden

The King-Lincoln District (old name: Mt. Vernon) was once a middle-class black vibrant district that is now mostly hoodrats and old-school players. It is still vibrant with vendors, Soul food joints, dive bars, and those 70's mini-clubs which still host backup singers from Fifth Dimension line Mount Vernon Avenue along with a renovated King Arts Center complex and Lincoln Theater revival with new black coffee shops/buppies/retail off Long Street.
http://www.urbanohio.com/gallery/ind...King%20Lincoln

Arguably the most vibrant of all the black commercial districts is along Cleveland and Westerville Avenues in the Northern Lights neighborhood which is majority Somali. Unfortunately, it is streetcar suburban 60's annexed sprawl with strip malls and gap-toothed old commercial blocks and thus, not interesting visually.


Dayton unfortunately tore down all their black commercial districts except West Third Street (Wright-Dunbar) and Salem Avenue, both which I wouldn't call "vibrant" but shells of their former selves. Dayton's most vibrant black commercial corridor is Gettysburg Avenue, a 1960's commercial street with old McDonald's turned JJ's Fish & Shrimp and Gold4YaMouth (no joke, YouTube the shit) stores.
Wright-Dunbar: http://www.urbanohio.com/gallery/alb...unbar/WD31.JPG
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the entire city of Detroit, save the Southwest Side and increasingly, the Greater Downtown area, would fall into this category, I guess.
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I'm not referring to overall black areas in a city, or the historically black areas. I'm referring to mostly intact, vibrant black areas.
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I think Seattle's are the Rainier Beach area and Central District. Rainier Beach has a higher concentration probably but the CD is much more vibrant. It's compact, there's more diversity, lots of nice parks, stores, good transportation, and all those other stuffs.
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the entire city of Detroit, save the Southwest Side and increasingly, the Greater Downtown area, would fall into this category, I guess.
The intact, vibrant black corridors in Detroit would probably be:

East Side- East Warren Ave. (East English Village)

Northwest- Livernois/7 Mile (Avenue of Fashion) and

West Side- Grand River/Southfield Freeway (Rosedale Park)

None of these corridors were "original" black corridors, but rather shifted to black during the white flight years. They remain semi-prosperous retail corridors and serve an overwhelmingly (nearly 100%) black clientele.

The original and most famous black retail corridor was Hastings Street, which was completely destroyed for a freeway (I-75).

Old school pre-automobile black retail corridors that are still breathing, but far from vibrant, would be the Dexter-Davison district and nearby Linwood Ave. (both Westside).

Semi-suburban black retail corridors with some degree of life would include McNichols, 7 Mile Road (both streets Eastside and Westside), Gratiot near 8 Mile and Van Dyke near 8 Mile.
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It was The Ville but a chunk of the black commercial class and middle class really has pulled out to the county. I think the black population of the county is higher than the city so many urban commercial districts are weak. Maybe someone can set me straight on the north side. There are good small urban nodes and clusters around though like the area around Sweetie Pies in The Grove not far from me that has the reality show on Oprahs network.
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In Akron it's now the intersection of Copley Rd and South Hawkins in West Akron. Before I was born it was a mile strip of Wooster Ave(Now named V. Odom Ave after local a Civil Rights leader.) Another vibrant commercial district that is now lost was North Howard Street just north of Downtown. This area had a black owned hotel, jazz clubs and bars. It was lost due to Urban Renewal and the construction of the interbelt.

There are other areas of the city that are vibrant and have significant black populations but none that are 90% or higher like the districts/neighborhoods above.
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I'm not referring to overall black areas in a city, or the historically black areas. I'm referring to mostly intact, vibrant black areas.
I just meant that any "intact, vibrant" neighborhood in the city would be considered a "black area", except for those in Southwest Detroit or the Greater Downtown area.
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I'm guessing that San Diego (along with Phoenix) is the largest US metro area not to have a vibrant black neighborhood or intersection. Being a newer West Coast metro area they both have very low percentages of blacks and not a whole lot of black history.

The thing here is that there aren't any areas with a really high percentage of blacks because they are diluted by Hispanic and Asians. You won't find areas that are 70% percent black etc.

I guess there is a slightly vibrant area with Ethiopian and Somali refugees at University Ave. and 45th thru 53rd street.
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Pittsburgh -- There are none -- The only ones I can think of are Homewood and Beltzoover. The city has a relatively low crime rate compared to the rest of the country, but it does have its crime pockets, and those neighborhoods are it... Sooo, yeah. NOT vibrant!

Pittsburgh's Lower Hill used to be vibrant, but that also has devolved into a ghetto over the years beginning with the building of the Civic Arena in the late 1950s.

Philadelphia... Well, since there don't seem to be any clusterings of Blacks in any particular area (at least not that I'm aware of, maybe with the exception of West Philly and Strawberry Mansion but again, those are not what I call vibrant), but I'd say Mannyunk is vibrant...
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Curiously enough, the black parts of DC tend to be the less dense, more autocentric (in terms of layout/aesthetic), amenity-starved parts of town. The Northeast and Southeast, the two biggest black sections, lack major continuous walkable areas, meaning often the only times you see clusters of people are at Metro/bus transfer points. Anacostia, which is probably DC's most famous black nabe, has the misfortune of having moribund retail strips (MLK and New Hope Rd) and large-scale abandonment. You can count on one hand the number of sit-down restaurants in the city's Southeast, which is 95+% black, and holds roughly 40% of the city's population. Of course, this should come as no real surprise, seeing how DC very much is a "Tale of two cities."

Even in traditionally black areas, such as U Street, 14th Street, and H street, the most vibrant parts are that way due to white/Ethiopian*-led gentrification (along with the majority white-frequented businesses that brings), with the coffee shops/bars/restaurants not having significant black populations. I mean, blacks do go out in these places, but it is nowhere near as high or common as one would imagine, given the size of the black population in such parts. Columbia Heights is very vibrant in the area around the Metro stop, but at this point in time, it is probably equally black/latino/white. Shaw, which is the city's largest nabe, lacks any really vibrant strip (still closed up due to the Riots and crack days), even if the non-public housing areas are fairly intact. This actually a hard question.

For LA, I will go with the Leimert Park area, and the Crenshaw/King/Vernon nexus in general.

*Ethiopians in DC, for all intents and purposes, have very little in common with the African-American majority, and see themselves as "Ethiopian," and not "black." Too, they tend to be much more affluent. entrepreneurial, and successful than the AA population in DC.
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Pittsburgh -- There are none -- The only ones I can think of are Homewood and Beltzoover. The city has a relatively low crime rate compared to the rest of the country, but it does have its crime pockets, and those neighborhoods are it... Sooo, yeah. NOT vibrant!

Pittsburgh's Lower Hill used to be vibrant, but that also has devolved into a ghetto over the years beginning with the building of the Civic Arena in the late 1950s.
?? A very puzzling response. Responding that "There are none"... which is not true... then naming two neighborhoods which are higher crime areas (of the numerous depressed neighborhoods of Pittsburgh) and not too vibrant in the sense that Segun is asking for. Weird.

Some places in Pittsburgh may not meet you're idea of "vibrant", but that doesn't mean that there are not neighborhood areas of significant Black commerce in the city.


For the busiest, most concentrated areas of Black commerce in Pittsburgh... I'm not sure that any would fit into the category of truly "vibrant" right now, but I'll give it a shot:

First gotta say some words about the storied Hill District since we're on this topic... not only Pittsburgh's center of African-American culture, but one of America's most important centers... once upon a time... one of the sites of America's 2nd "Harlem Renaissance"... which makes its destruction and deterioration that much more sad and infuriating. The contributions to Black culture and American culture in general are vital and deep... jazz, literature, sports... it was the major center of Negro League baseball in America (and one of the most important foundations of Black professional sports), being home to the Pittsburgh Crawfords, Homestead Grays, and Pittsburgh Keystones... Gus Greenlee and Greenlee Field. Ammon Field gave a guy named Josh Gibson his start. Gibson, Satchel, Cum, Cool Papa, and Buck are only some of the HoFers.

Art Blakey, Earl Hines, Billy Strayhorn, Mary Lou Williams, Ray Brown, Roy Eldridge, Lena Horne, Kenny Clarke, Paul Chambers, Billy Eckstine, Erroll Garner... damn, those names are some of the foundations of jazz right there.

Anyway... sorry, got sidetracked... it's just such a shame what happened to the Hill.

The Hill District... still in bad shape now, but there has been some revitalization on Centre Ave between Roberts and Kirkpatrick (newer, commercial buildings, new library, new YMCA, new supermarket) and with the Civic Arena site plans and possible reopening of Connelly Tech... outlook is brighter for the area.

North Side... East Ohio St. between Cedar and 279... numerous Black-owned businesses and a majority Black customer-base

Wilkinsburg... Penn Ave corridor... pretty depressed, but still a center of Black-centered commerce.

Homestead... 8th Ave corridor... revitalizing area which has long been a Black commercial center.

East Liberty... centered on Penn Ave is probably the busiest neighborhood with a good percentage of Black-owned and focused commerce taking place... and the area is one of Pittsburgh's most active redevelopment zones overall.
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pittsburgh -- there are none -- the only ones i can think of are homewood and beltzoover. The city has a relatively low crime rate compared to the rest of the country, but it does have its crime pockets, and those neighborhoods are it... Sooo, yeah. Not vibrant!

Pittsburgh's lower hill used to be vibrant, but that also has devolved into a ghetto over the years beginning with the building of the civic arena in the late 1950s.

Philadelphia... Well, since there don't seem to be any clusterings of blacks in any particular area (at least not that i'm aware of, maybe with the exception of west philly and strawberry mansion but again, those are not what i call vibrant), but i'd say mannyunk is vibrant...

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?? A very puzzling response. Responding that "There are none"... which is not true... then naming two neighborhoods which are higher crime areas (of the numerous depressed neighborhoods of Pittsburgh) and not too vibrant in the sense that Segun is asking for. Weird.

Some places in Pittsburgh may not meet you're idea of "vibrant", but that doesn't mean that there are not neighborhood areas of significant Black commerce in the city.


For the busiest, most concentrated areas of Black commerce in Pittsburgh... I'm not sure that any would fit into the category of truly "vibrant" right now, but I'll give it a shot:

First gotta say some words about the storied Hill District since we're on this topic... not only Pittsburgh's center of African-American culture, but one of America's most important centers... once upon a time... one of the sites of America's 2nd "Harlem Renaissance"... which makes its destruction and deterioration that much more sad and infuriating. The contributions to Black culture and American culture in general are vital and deep... jazz, literature, sports... it was the major center of Negro League baseball in America (and one of the most important foundations of Black professional sports), being home to the Pittsburgh Crawfords, Homestead Grays, and Pittsburgh Keystones... Gus Greenlee and Greenlee Field. Ammon Field gave a guy named Josh Gibson his start. Gibson, Satchel, Cum, Cool Papa, and Buck are only some of the HoFers.

Art Blakey, Earl Hines, Billy Strayhorn, Mary Lou Williams, Ray Brown, Roy Eldridge, Lena Horne, Kenny Clarke, Paul Chambers, Billy Eckstine, Erroll Garner... damn, those names are some of the foundations of jazz right there.

Anyway... sorry, got sidetracked... it's just such a shame what happened to the Hill.

The Hill District... still in bad shape now, but there has been some revitalization on Centre Ave between Roberts and Kirkpatrick (newer, commercial buildings, new library, new YMCA, new supermarket) and with the Civic Arena site plans and possible reopening of Connelly Tech... outlook is brighter for the area.

North Side... East Ohio St. between Cedar and 279... numerous Black-owned businesses and a majority Black customer-base

Wilkinsburg... Penn Ave corridor... pretty depressed, but still a center of Black-centered commerce.

Homestead... 8th Ave corridor... revitalizing area which has long been a Black commercial center.

East Liberty... centered on Penn Ave is probably the busiest neighborhood with a good percentage of Black-owned and focused commerce taking place... and the area is one of Pittsburgh's most active redevelopment zones overall.
We can also add the North Side's North Ave / Brighton Rd intersection. We can also add the Franktown / Verona Rd. / Robinson BLVD section of PGH / Wilkinsburgh / Penn Hills. In that section of town we have many black owned businesses. This includes the only Giant Eagle grocery store that is owned and operated by a black woman. The intersection is suburban in nature, but with two large black churches (Petra and Covenant) the area bustles with vehicular and pedestrian traffic daily.
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OOokay... I can tell when I've been put to shame...

Vibrant apparently can mean commercial activity. Should've known that...
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