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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 2:43 AM
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Too bad no images pop up on that link.
Uhhh... yeah images are at that link. Your browser/phone/comp sux?
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 4:03 AM
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Scuttlebutt. Do with it what you will:

- I have heard that Regent has stalled out. I think it will be tough to get anybody to invest in a hotel tower in SLC until the CCH gets fleshed out. Too high potential for a wild swing in the hospitality market until that settles, hence all the mid size hotel stuff in SLC right now. Banks have become shy on hospitality recently world wide and it would be very risky to lend on a tower knowing that CCH could drop almost concurrently and with healthy subsidies. This is also why the Holdings have fought tooth and nail against CCH.

- "Ink is dry" on the Crawford group's (Sage Hospitality) Gateway boutique hotel at the Union Pacific Depot. Nameplate is unknown but it is described as "4.5 Stars" and will, as speculated here, involve two ten story brick towers and about 110 keys. One contingency remains: ongoing TIF negotiations with the taxing entities. I think that's doable. If you haven't seen what these guys do, click that link. They only do really cool stuff. They are bringing "Snooze", the stellar breakfast concept from Denver Union Station along with them.

- Live Nation closed on the acquisition of United Concerts. Not clear if the the branding of The Depot will change to House of Blues (Live Nation owns that too) but I'm told the concert venue will stay at UP Depot. Ironic given HOB was the original nameplate for the Depot .
If it looks anything like The Crawford they did in Union Station, I would be ecstatic. Link to the gallery here.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 5:23 AM
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Uhhh... yeah images are at that link. Your browser/phone/comp sux?
Tried it on my work computer and my home computer and still nothing.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 9:14 AM
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If it is Arrow Press/old DV8 is it expected that it will include some of the structures on 100 South and West Temple? That would be a damn shame for any of those buildings to go away. Is there an functional reason that the Rocky Mountain Power Plaza could not be developed if RWP were willing? Meaning that plaza doesn't have anything below it such as critical power distribution components? Also that old Power and Light building behind it isn't a substation, is it?
Is that huge gravel lot just south of those buildings on West Temple part of the same ownership? If so, I see no reason why that wouldn't be large enough to support a hotel on its own. I too would be sad to see any of those historic buildings go, considering that big gravel pit, and the parking lot on the other side in the middle of the 100 South block next to that ugly Zions Bank building. That said, isn't Caffe Molise moving? That isn't a good omen in my eyes.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 2:47 PM
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PRETTY BIRD AND LAST COURSE ON REGENT ARE OPEN! Huge news for foodies. I've had the pleasure of tasting previews of Pretty Bird's chicken and it's an absolute game-changer. Viet Pham is a genius. So stoked about our local food and drink scene: https://www.sltrib.com/artsliving/fo...alt-lake-city/
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 9:04 PM
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 9:41 PM
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Salt Lake as submitted a formal bid to host the NBA All-Star game in 2022 or 2023.

http://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-su...ter_allstarbid

Let's hope the Utah Gov and Utah Legislature don't sabotage these hopes with their asinine policies and law making (the .05 legal alcohol limit is a step in the wrong direction).
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 9:53 PM
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Salt Lake as submitted a formal bid to host the NBA All-Star game in 2022 or 2023.

http://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-su...ter_allstarbid

Let's hope the Utah Gov and Utah Legislature don't sabotage these hopes with their asinine policies and law making (the .05 legal alcohol limit is a step in the wrong direction).
The new DUI law is justifiable from a scientific perspective since the studies seem to clearly indicate that impairment begins at .05, but where I would change it, is have it be a much lesser crime and punishment then hitting .08 or above. The level of impairment should correspond with the severity of the punishment.

As a side note, I was shocked to discover that .05 is the most common legal limit in most European countries, so I have a hard time hearing the complaint that this is some crazy idea that would only happen in Utah. I admit I am biased in this area because I have lost 3 friends to drunken driving and have seen the devastating effects.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 10:25 PM
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I admit I am biased in this area because I have lost 3 friends to drunken driving and have seen the devastating effects.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 10:57 PM
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The new DUI law is justifiable from a scientific perspective since the studies seem to clearly indicate that impairment begins at .05, but where I would change it, is have it be a much lesser crime and punishment then hitting .08 or above. The level of impairment should correspond with the severity of the punishment.

As a side note, I was shocked to discover that .05 is the most common legal limit in most European countries, so I have a hard time hearing the complaint that this is some crazy idea that would only happen in Utah. I admit I am biased in this area because I have lost 3 friends to drunken driving and have seen the devastating effects.
Truly sorry for your loss. I can imagine the BAC of the offending parties was not .05. The studies are bullshit. Almost every statistic involving alcohol related accidents is untrustworthy. An example is this: you have a beer after work, get in your car and a sober mother broadsides you. There you go! "Alcohol related accident". The truth is the NTSB has had a boner for .05 for ever. They targeted the lowest-of-all hanging fruit, Utah, to be the first place and the pasty wax figurines with poor-fitting suits on the hill complied like good little doggies.

I always hear about the Europeans and Canadians etc. I was at the Senate hearing yesterday and, when asked what the effects of this law will be on the hospitality industry, one of the old jowly white muppets on the stand pointed to Calgary saying: "I was in Calgary last week and they have a .05 BAC limit and I saw them partying all over the place!". To which I responded, "Hey that's a great idea! Let's do what Calgary, the rest of Canada and most of Europe does. You can drink when you're 16-19 there too, there are no restrictions on booze shots or proximity requirements and you have real draft beer! EXCELLENT IDEA!".
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 11:06 PM
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If it looks anything like The Crawford they did in Union Station, I would be ecstatic. Link to the gallery here.
I really hope(kinda doubt) that they will paint over the grand hall in white. That would be a bummer.

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The new DUI law is justifiable from a scientific perspective since the studies seem to clearly indicate that impairment begins at .05, but where I would change it, is have it be a much lesser crime and punishment then hitting .08 or above. The level of impairment should correspond with the severity of the punishment.

As a side note, I was shocked to discover that .05 is the most common legal limit in most European countries, so I have a hard time hearing the complaint that this is some crazy idea that would only happen in Utah. I admit I am biased in this area because I have lost 3 friends to drunken driving and have seen the devastating effects.
Right, but in most places in Europe you never have to drive if you don’t want to, or are impaired.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 11:29 PM
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Truly sorry for your loss. I can imagine the BAC of the offending parties was not .05. The studies are bullshit. Almost every statistic involving alcohol related accidents is untrustworthy. An example is this: you have a beer after work, get in your car and a sober mother broadsides you. There you go! "Alcohol related accident". The truth is the NTSB has had a boner for .05 for ever. They targeted the lowest-of-all hanging fruit, Utah, to be the first place and the pasty wax figurines with poor-fitting suits on the hill complied like good little doggies.

I always hear about the Europeans and Canadians etc. I was at the Senate hearing yesterday and, when asked what the effects of this law will be on the hospitality industry, one of the old jowly white muppets on the stand pointed to Calgary saying: "I was in Calgary last week and they have a .05 BAC limit and I saw them partying all over the place!". To which I responded, "Hey that's a great idea! Let's do what Calgary, the rest of Canada and most of Europe does. You can drink when you're 16-19 there too, there are no restrictions on booze shots or proximity requirements and you have real draft beer! EXCELLENT IDEA!".
Do you work in the hospitality industry or just a concerned citizen? You sound more familiar with the studies then I am, but the ones I was thinking of when I wrote what I did were more testing cognitive function and motor skills in a laboratory setting and seeing at what point alcohol negatively impacts that. Again, I cant speak how rigorous these studies are, but many European countries seem to be persuaded. On the flip side, the Tribune had a great article several weeks ago from, I think, Robert Gehrke and he laid out all the motor vehicle accidents for the last ten years where the person was reported to have had a BAC < .08 and it was interesting because I think I found one where alcohol probably was the cause, but every other the person had other drugs in their system or something else that clearly caused it and at most alcohol didn't help the situation.
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Right, but in most places in Europe you never have to drive if you don’t want to, or are impaired.
In the era of Uber and Lyft this argument doesn't hold water. Also there are plenty of rural and suburbanish areas in countries such as France that make driving almost a must.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 11:36 PM
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In the era of Uber and Lyft this argument doesn't hold water. Also there are plenty of rural and suburbanish areas in countries such as France that make driving almost a must.
Not everyone can afford Uber and Lyft. Most European transit is quite affordable.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 11:55 PM
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We should all be down for the warning thing between .05 and .08. It should be recorded(insurance), short term loss of license(a week?), but not criminally prosecuted. People should be told "hey, you're pushing it buddy" but we shouldn't treat it as if it's the same thing as being plowed. Currently we do, that's a huge problem that will do more harm than good.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2018, 1:16 AM
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Agreed. The DUI laws are way too extreme and need to be tiered like speeding laws. Speeding causes more traffic deaths in America than drunk driving and yet, often, a speeding ticket is essentially a slap on the wrist. If you're blowing .05-.08, it should be treated similarly to going ten or so over the limit.

Could you imagine treating speeders with the same approach? You're arrested, car impounded, license revoked and forced to pay thousands of dollars in lawyer fees because you happened to be going 10 over the legal speed limit?
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2018, 1:35 AM
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Do you work in the hospitality industry or just a concerned citizen? You sound more familiar with the studies then I am, but the ones I was thinking of when I wrote what I did were more testing cognitive function and motor skills in a laboratory setting and seeing at what point alcohol negatively impacts that. Again, I cant speak how rigorous these studies are, but many European countries seem to be persuaded. On the flip side, the Tribune had a great article several weeks ago from, I think, Robert Gehrke and he laid out all the motor vehicle accidents for the last ten years where the person was reported to have had a BAC < .08 and it was interesting because I think I found one where alcohol probably was the cause, but every other the person had other drugs in their system or something else that clearly caused it and at most alcohol didn't help the situation.
I am in the hospitality world but also do a bunch of Real Estate stuff. Impairment begins at .01 but these are all just numbers. .01, .05, .08 do nothing to measure impairment. I do know that the stats are packed by years or neo-prohibitionist garbage. As I said, if we want to be like Europe, then lets let 18 year-olds drink and get rid of arbitrary, useless blue laws. Then let's talk about .05. Truly, I own a bar and am not really against the concept of .05 as I am against the state's sanctimonious and hypocritical garbage alcoholic beverage laws. Taken as a whole, they hurt us. Look at it like this: Alcohol is possibly a $1.5 billion dollar industry (hard numbers are tough to get but that's another thread), and it is truly the goose that laid the golden egg for our budget. Take booze away and we are swimming in debt and kids go hungry at school. That money is super greasy and delicious but they sure do like to tsk tsk it.
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Not everyone can afford Uber and Lyft. Most European transit is quite affordable.
IMO if you can go out and afford $7 beers, you should be able to afford a Lyft or Uber. Finding an alternative to driving impaired should always be part of the game plan and budget. I have many European and Australian friends and they trip out that we drink then go hit an 80 mph freeway, and I tend to agree.

I think the alcohol purchase laws here are very silly but the stricter DUI limit does not bother me, especially with how bad even sober drivers are.
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IMO if you can go out and afford $7 beers, you should be able to afford a Lyft or Uber. Finding an alternative to driving impaired should always be part of the game plan and budget. I have many European and Australian friends and they trip out that we drink then go hit an 80 mph freeway, and I tend to agree.

I think the alcohol purchase laws here are very silly but the stricter DUI limit does not bother me, especially with how bad even sober drivers are.
Yeah, they trip out because they live closer in to the center of town and they take a train or bus to go home.
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