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Question In The Ghetto: Canadian Style

What do the ghettos of your city look like?

I apologize if this has been done before. I did a quick forum search but couldn't find a thread - just a random post or two in other discussions.

In St. John's, they tend to be simply the most plain and dilapidated of our numerous rowhouse developments and they're also almost always public housing.

I don't think it would really be an exaggeration to say that most of our ghettos are reasonably clean, safe places to live with friendly but struggling families.

However, there are some that are quite problematic. Here is an example of just such a ghetto from downtown. Note the garbage strewn about - some of it is a result of Hurricane Leslie but not much. It's usually quite messy here. Also note the car parked on the lawn. Another sign of ghettotude.

These houses are only a single floor high on the other side, built into a steep part of the hill. From the other side of the street, which is a through-street and not a dead end, they look nice enough.


In the Ghetto by SignalHillHiker, on Flickr

The sides of the houses are surrounded by broken beer bottles and childish notes scrawled in pencil, such as, "So-and-so is a ***** and is gonna get her face beat in!".


In the Ghetto by SignalHillHiker, on Flickr

And here is an example of the type of people associated with ghettos in St. John's. They're called skeets. This video parodies their ways of talking, the types of activities they engage in, the clothes they wear, etc. They're infamous in St. John's as an entire subculture that the more sophisticated mainstream can't relate to at all... the opening scene is filmed steps from where I was standing to take the first picture above.

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We also have some rather interesting ghettos with that typical British design: rowhouses built around a common, semi-private courtyard.

Here is an example, which, unexpectedly perhaps, is only steps from the one photographed above:

From the street, they look like typical, unattractive rowhouses:


In the Ghetto by SignalHillHiker, on Flickr

There is a small lane leading up between two of the houses to a common courtyard:


In the Ghetto by SignalHillHiker, on Flickr

Places to play, sunbathe, dry laundry, etc.


In the Ghetto by SignalHillHiker, on Flickr


In the Ghetto by SignalHillHiker, on Flickr

(The houses in the background are in the first ghetto I posted pictures of).


In the Ghetto by SignalHillHiker, on Flickr

EDIT:

An aerial view of both from Bing:

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Based on those photos, I'd say you have a pretty loose definition of what constitutes a "ghetto".
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Here's Canada's ghetto.

https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=...78.84,,1,-2.17

Here's America's ghetto.

https://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&sour...17.88,,0,-6.11

Socialist Canada does not have ghetto's.

Except for some Indian reserves, which nobody talks about.
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Yes, definitely a very loose definition. To me, it's just a part of town where you're likely to end up if you're on the margins of society, an area where upper middle class people would never go and certainly would never live, etc. Areas where it's very likely that if that's where you're born and raised, you'll never get out of there.
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St. James Town?
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Yes, definitely a very loose definition. To me, it's just a part of town where you're likely to end up if you're on the margins of society, an area where upper middle class people would never go and certainly would never live, etc. Areas where it's very likely that if that's where you're born and raised, you'll never get out of there.
What a terrible outlook.

It looks like a really nice place anyways. East Hastings is probably Canada's only true permanent ghetto. The google street view does not to a justice though. that place is a fucking dump.
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St. James Town?

Yes, though it could just as well be any one of hundreds of poor tower complexes.
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Yeah yeah, I guess i was candy coating things by showing Main and Hastings. Here's the Oppenheimer Park area right in the heart of the downtown east side.https://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&sour...3.84,,0,-18.07
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Here's Canada's ghetto.

https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=...78.84,,1,-2.17

Here's America's ghetto.

https://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&sour...17.88,,0,-6.11

Socialist Canada does not have ghetto's.

Except for some Indian reserves, which nobody talks about.
Man, there are some places in Hamilton that look just a bit better than the Camden picture..

Anyways for Toronto I'll let others post the pictures but the obvious ones would be Regent Park (before the revitalisation?), Jane & Finch, north Rexdale, parts of Scarborough, etc..
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I don't know Kitchener as well, but in Waterloo the only "ghettoes" are the Laurier and Waterloo student ghettoes around the universities. (More so Laurier than Waterloo)

Bad example:

https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=univer...70.45,,0,12.88
It doesn't look bad, but Erb street especially is inhabited by students, and can tend to look not-so-great on Saturday/Sunday mornings.

https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=univer...3,,0,4.48&z=16
This section of Hazel had a bit of a rape/mugging problem not too long ago, though they claim it's gone now.
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Now this is ghetto, Surrey City Centre (Whalley). I would feel far safer in the DTES.

https://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&sour...,183.29,,0,2.6
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Signal: you missed Livingstone Street. I had a friend who used to live there, she told me all the horrors of living in the area.

The only real area in town that gives a "ghetto" vibe is around Elizabeth Avenue West in the Anderson Avenue area. Made the mistake of getting gas at the Esso there once after dark, almost found trouble right away. Guy almost pulled a blade on me, but seemed to have a change of heart at the last second. Nice fellah.

EDIT: Also New Penneywell Road. That whole street is a dive. That whole neighborhood as a whole is pretty awful.
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Signal: you missed Livingstone Street. I had a friend who used to live there, she told me all the horrors of living in the area.

EDIT: Also New Penneywell Road. That whole street is a dive. That whole neighborhood as a whole is pretty awful.
I didn't miss it. That first ghetto is the backside of the Livingstone Street houses.

Also, agreed. I had to drive my mother downtown the other day and happened to take Pennywell Road after coming down Kenmount and she grabbed the door handle and tensed like I was about to crash, ha! She knows how left-wing I am, so when I asked what was wrong, she said, "Oh, I'm a creature of habit. I haven't been to this part of town since I was a young girl. I used to have a very good friend who lived here, but my mother put a stop to that."
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Now this is ghetto, Surrey City Centre (Whalley). I would feel far safer in the DTES.

https://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&sour...,183.29,,0,2.6
Even then, I find it looks like a run-down industrial park rather than a ghetto.
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An old one that the Canadian government took care of (link first posted to SSP by Architype):

The Central Slum
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The 'ghetto' in my hometown is a sidestreet with a jail, laundromat, muffler shop, and like the one house that needs to be painted.
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Montreal North has a reputation for being the worst area in Montreal crime-wise, although I wouldn't really call it a ghetto. But it is an ugly area architecturally, with above average crime (in a Montreal context). It is relatively densely populated and poorly served by public transit.:
http://goo.gl/maps/g78gm

Park Extension is not supposed to be a great area either. Although I did work there for about a year.There is a halfway house in the area. That said, I never felt in danger in there. It is just quite poor and a little run down for the most part. The streetview link below shows Park Extension on the left and the upper middle class Town of Mount Royal (with its fence) on the right. The fence was largely seen as being a mechanism to keep poorer Park Ex people out of TMR, it's an interesting contrast.
http://goo.gl/maps/nkQn1

Snowdon is one of the only areas of Montreal where I have felt a somewhat on edge, but not really that bad. There are a lot of shady people there, and I just got a weird vibe. Most businesses and apartment buildings have graffiti on the sides of the ground floor.
http://goo.gl/maps/gS9x4
http://goo.gl/maps/IEfvW

A good chunk of Longueuil is pretty ugly, it is more white trash than anything (French for mullet is "Coupe Longueuil"). Used to be a lot of bikers there. Back in the 1950s wild dogs used to roam the streets and a large part of it lacked running water, etc. No building codes either. It was considered to be a bit of a wild west. Things improved starting in the 1960s and 70s.
http://goo.gl/maps/Hzi7l
http://goo.gl/maps/46Wb9
http://goo.gl/maps/FDNDE
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Yes, definitely a very loose definition. To me, it's just a part of town where you're likely to end up if you're on the margins of society, an area where upper middle class people would never go and certainly would never live, etc. Areas where it's very likely that if that's where you're born and raised, you'll never get out of there.
In Calgary that refers to almost a whole quarter of the cities residential areas. Basically everything north of Glenmore trail and east of Deerfoot trail. The peak being Forest Lawn:

https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Forest...271.99,,0,9.59
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What do the ghettos of your city look like?

I apologize if this has been done before. I did a quick forum search but couldn't find a thread - just a random post or two in other discussions.

In St. John's, they tend to be simply the most plain and dilapidated of our numerous rowhouse developments and they're also almost always public housing.

I don't think it would really be an exaggeration to say that most of our ghettos are reasonably clean, safe places to live with friendly but struggling families.

However, there are some that are quite problematic. Here is an example of just such a ghetto from downtown. Note the garbage strewn about - some of it is a result of Hurricane Leslie but not much. It's usually quite messy here. Also note the car parked on the lawn. Another sign of ghettotude.

These houses are only a single floor high on the other side, built into a steep part of the hill. From the other side of the street, which is a through-street and not a dead end, they look nice enough.
That's a pretty nice ghetto if they can afford new Chevy Cruzes, or is that yours?
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