PHILADELPHIA | East Market | 284 & 248 FT | 24 & 20 FLOORS

[mcgrath618]

Shut up guys, this is clearly an artistic choice by the architect and not just crappy buildsmanship (for lack of a word)

[kingtut]

Litigation

[Philly Fan]

Originally Posted by kingtut

Litigation

Word.

If not otherwise corrected.

[Knight Hospitaller]

Originally Posted by Philly Fan

Word.

If not otherwise corrected.

A level would've been less expensive.

[Philly Fan]

Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller

A level would've been less expensive.

No doubt, at YOUR hourly rate.

[New2Fishtown]

Originally Posted by Kfmcshan

This is pathetic. Besides from the mis-alignment (which looks terrible), it looks like the top right corner is falling off

EDIT: This article alludes to the contractor situation, specifically saying that there were issues with Tutor Perini on the first building. But then it states that Clemens is GC for both towers, so I'm not exactly sure how to read that. Is Tutor responsible for the sloppy mess we're seeing?

They can go back in and reset these pieces...right? I mean, they have to...right? We aren't the only people who've noticed this...right?

[1487]

Originally Posted by New2Fishtown

EDIT: This article alludes to the contractor situation, specifically saying that there were issues with Tutor Perini on the first building. But then it states that Clemens is GC for both towers, so I'm not exactly sure how to read that. Is Tutor responsible for the sloppy mess we're seeing?

They can go back in and reset these pieces...right? I mean, they have to...right? We aren't the only people who've noticed this...right?

TP was GC for site work and first building as far as I can tell. Clemens got the rehab of the existing building and construction of 2nd apt tower. Of course all the specific trade work is subbed out so it's not like the big name GC is doing the actual work on any of this.

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by New2Fishtown

EDIT: This article alludes to the contractor situation, specifically saying that there were issues with Tutor Perini on the first building. But then it states that Clemens is GC for both towers, so I'm not exactly sure how to read that. Is Tutor responsible for the sloppy mess we're seeing?

They can go back in and reset these pieces...right? I mean, they have to...right? We aren't the only people who've noticed this...right?

I'm guessing someone with a screwdriver will be walking around the building and will tighten everything down before they clean up.

[Urbanity]

Whoa: Philly’s Market East tops national list of retail destinations

A study released yesterday by the real estate research firm JLL pegged it as the No. 1 commercial corridor for retail affordability and desirability in the nation. The ranking highlights Market East for its relative inexpensiveness and growth potential. And puts the Philly neighborhood ahead of longtime trendy areas, such as Seattle’s Pike Market and Chicago’s Wicker Park.

https://billypenn.com/2017/05/23/who...-destinations/

[gjrip]

Wow if they don't fix that facade I will be very disappointed. That is unacceptable.

[summersm343]

Hotel mulled for historic Girard Building at East Market development site

The developer of Center City’s East Market commercial and residential complex is considering plans for a hotel at the historic Stephen Girard Building on the 12th Street side of the project site, between Market and Chestnut Streets.

Dan Killinger, a managing director with Washington-based National Real Estate Development, said in an interview that his team is in discussions with hospitality companies aimed at selecting a brand for what would be an approximately 185-room hotel at the 120-year-old-plus office building.

Killinger, who declined to specify which brands are under consideration, said a hotel would complement the residential, office and retail uses already planned for the East Market complex rising on Market Street between 11th and 12th Streets.

Read more here:
http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...-20170523.html

[allovertown]

I walked by today and honestly the pictures don't do justice to how messed up the facade looks. It's really unbelievable. Not only is everything crooked and out of order, but there are huge chips in the facade as well. I've never seen anything like this before.

I can't believe they just put it up despite such obvious issues. I really don't understand how they'll fix it, in many cases the piece clearly do not fit in the space they were intended. They'd have to shave off large bits of material and if that was something they were inclined to do, it probably would have been something much easier to do as they were installing it.

The fortunate thing is I actually think this building looks great from a distance, but the closer you get the more visible the flaws become. From up close this building is an embarrassment.

[hammersklavier]

IMO the "fits" you're seeing aren't the final fits. All the pieces seem to be sitting loose in their mounts. If you look at the lintel pieces on the ground floor, for example, there's no way you could fit the windows in given the current fits. What's probably going to happen is that the façade as a whole tightens up as the various individual components get cemented together and start behaving in a more unified way.

IIRC when 10 Ritt's outer envelope was installed waaaaaaay back when I first joined this site, it looked like a mess for a while until they started tightening the panels up too.

[allovertown]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

IMO the "fits" you're seeing aren't the final fits. All the pieces seem to be sitting loose in their mounts. If you look at the lintel pieces on the ground floor, for example, there's no way you could fit the windows in given the current fits. What's probably going to happen is that the façade as a whole tightens up as the various individual components get cemented together and start behaving in a more unified way.

IIRC when 10 Ritt's outer envelope was installed waaaaaaay back when I first joined this site, it looked like a mess for a while until they started tightening the panels up too.

That's good to hear, I remember watching 10 Ritt go up but that was before I was checking out this site so I missed that drama, I didn't notice anything in person. I'll continue to hold out hope this comes together then.

It's just really hard to imagine how tightening things up will do anything considering it simply looks like the panels don't have enough room in their current configuration. I'd imagine tightening things up would only exacerbate that problem, but hopefully I"m wrong.

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by allovertown

That's good to hear, I remember watching 10 Ritt go up but that was before I was checking out this site so I missed that drama, I didn't notice anything in person. I'll continue to hold out hope this comes together then.

It's just really hard to imagine how tightening things up will do anything considering it simply looks like the panels don't have enough room in their current configuration. I'd imagine tightening things up would only exacerbate that problem, but hopefully I"m wrong.

Looks can be deceiving. The whole reason it looks weird is because the panels are currently looser than they should be, i.e. there's too much room between the panels. If there wasn't enough, the panels couldn't have been mounted in the first place.

That said, there are techniques that have used friction as a sort of mortar. Sacsahuaman in Cuzco, Peru, for example. You need to have extraordinarily precise fitting between individual components to make that happen, though.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by summersm343

Hotel mulled for historic Girard Building at East Market development site

Read more here:
http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...-20170523.html

This is one of the city's best buildings, but the street level is currently uninviting. Can't wait to see it after the renovation.

Can we also tear down the mess across the street and restore Ludlow through to Wanamaker's? (Not happening, I know.)

[City Wide]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

Looks can be deceiving. The whole reason it looks weird is because the panels are currently looser than they should be, i.e. there's too much room between the panels. If there wasn't enough, the panels couldn't have been mounted in the first place.

That said, there are techniques that have used friction as a sort of mortar. Sacsahuaman in Cuzco, Peru, for example. You need to have extraordinarily precise fitting between individual components to make that happen, though.

The only way the stone work of Cuzco should be mentioned on the same page, or even in the same book, along with this work on Market St. is to put Cuzco on one end of the spectrum and put Market St. miles away on the other end. And even then you'd be insulting to Cuzco. I'm just amazed how bad this looks in person, and how the problems are not just in one location, but in 5 or 6 spots over the entire façade.

I hope you are right that this crap can be fixed just by making adjustments. But why would 95% of the panels appear to be installed 'correctly' and 5% look like they were installed by drunken sailors? The panels on the tower are already glazed.

[summersm343]

5/28/17

[PHL10]

The wonky facade panels aside, I love how this is turning out. Huge, huge, game-changing upgrade to this block.

[Philly Fan]

Looks like the (east) tower crane is being dismantled right now. Maybe this or another tower crane will be rising soon on the west side, where there appears to be an awaiting base?



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