Where will the next Hintonburg be?

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by harls

Next Hintonburg? How about St. Joseph in Gatineau?

St. Joseph has a tonne of potential, good one. Montcalm is already the closest thing to a funky neighbourhood on this side of the bridge and it's slowly creeping towards the part of St. Joseph with the most gentrification potential.

[harls]

Originally Posted by Harley613

St. Joseph has a tonne of potential, good one. Montcalm is already the closest thing to a funky neighbourhood on this side of the bridge and it's slowly creeping towards the part of St. Joseph with the most gentrification potential.

Montcalm was on the tip of my tongue as well. I used to live on a side street back in 2006 and I can't believe how much has been gentrified (and more to come, apparently).

I remember when Naples Pizza didn't look fancy.

[citizen j]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

It is increasingly noticeable. I keep waiting for some realtor to start tagging the area as "Lindenlea Annex" or "South Village" or some such nonsense.

Nouveau Edinburgh

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by harls

Montcalm was on the tip of my tongue as well. I used to live on a side street back in 2006 and I can't believe how much has been gentrified (and more to come, apparently).

I remember when Naples Pizza didn't look fancy.

Though just 1-2 blocks in from Montcalm it gets real crappy real fast.

[harls]

Bumping this thread.

Acajack, it's not that bad next to Montcalm now.

And with the recent streetscaping of St. Joseph.. I can really see this street becoming Hintonburgesque.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by harls

Bumping this thread.

Acajack, it's not that bad next to Montcalm now.

And with the recent streetscaping of St. Joseph.. I can really see this street becoming Hintonburgesque.

I'm very bullish on the QC side. Tax differentials will converge as Ontario is broke at current taxation levels and QC is doing well. The LRT in Ottawa will also drive property taxes higher equalizing the overall financial decision ignoring property prices. I know a lot of locals and Toronto folk will never cross the river but for those of us from elsewhere QC or ON is kind of irrelevant.

Chelsea and Wakefield can hold their own already if you like that bucolic life.

It's an actual cool neighborhood that is still lacking. Montcalm location wise certainly has that potential. Too bad we hate development so much as the waterfront at the canal(or river?) there could be such a great new neighborhood of restaurants and shops and it bleeds right into Zibi.

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

I'm very bullish on the QC side. Tax differentials will converge as Ontario is broke at current taxation levels and QC is doing well. The LRT in Ottawa will also drive property taxes higher equalizing the overall financial decision ignoring property prices. I know a lot of locals and Toronto folk will never cross the river but for those of us from elsewhere QC or ON is kind of irrelevant.

Chelsea and Wakefield can hold their own already if you like that bucolic life.

It's an actual cool neighborhood that is still lacking. Montcalm location wise certainly has that potential. Too bad we hate development so much as the waterfront at the canal(or river?) there could be such a great new neighborhood of restaurants and shops and it bleeds right into Zibi.

Quebecs new language laws will however cause problems for Quebec in terms of growth.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

Quebecs new language laws will however cause problems for Quebec in terms of growth.

There are a lot of people who've made the leap regardless.

[silvergate]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

Quebecs new language laws will however cause problems for Quebec in terms of growth.

Not to mention western quebecs horrific healthcare system.

[harls]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

There are a lot of people who've made the leap regardless.

I've leaped from southern Manitoba 21 years ago.

[Uhuniau]

Anecdatally, there is an almost startling amount of Gentrification Font going around in Vanier and Overbrook and adjacent areas these days.

If you know "Gentrification Font", you know.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by silvergate

Not to mention western quebecs horrific healthcare system.

In our area, I actually think this is the biggest factor.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

Quebecs new language laws will however cause problems for Quebec in terms of growth.

Most of this just impacts Francophones no? I mean the hostile attitude does scare some away but that's been more or less present for 40 years. Keeping Francophones out of CEGEPs or making immigrants speak French doesn't matter if you are the typcial mostly bilingual Canadian civil servant figuring out where to live.

The English schools are still better than Ottawa side in many ways exactly because of bill 101.

Healthcare is horrible but my sister works at CHEO and it's pretty much open to Quebecers so you can just do that even if paperwork might be a bit of a hassle.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by phil235

In our area, I actually think this is the biggest factor.

Yes, the language laws are just more of the same of what's been going on since 1977.

There is some promise on the horizon in terms of improving the healthcare system but a noticeably better situation is probably several years away - towards the end of the decade in fact.

[SL123]

I think Beechwood is the next Hintonburg, it has all the ingredient already present, just need a few more project adding density to the area and its gonna be the next hip place.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by harls

Bumping this thread.

Acajack, it's not that bad next to Montcalm now.

And with the recent streetscaping of St. Joseph.. I can really see this street becoming Hintonburgesque.

Yes, it's definitely improved along Montcalm in recent years.

The W/E towers under construction on Wellington do not front on Montcalm itself but will bring some more foot traffic to the area for sure.

I think the former Vice-Versa building at the corner of Montcalm and Wellington is slated to be demolished and a tower will go up there too, but that's not happening at all yet.

As such though the area still doesn't have much pedestrian life. The east side of the street still has a few gaps on it even though I'd say about half of the gaps that were there just a few years ago have been filled.

Still not really a complete street, even if it's moving in that direction.

People do frequent restaurants and other businesses there but don't really stroll on the street before and after.

Plus there is the entire west side of the street which is basically empty and is mostly unmaintained green space. Not quite something I'd call a "park", really.

There have been grandiose plans for that space like the Espace Jean-Dallaire museum, a new library, etc. and other cultural uses but not sure what the status of all that is now.

For the moment having a big open space there over about 1 km is a buzzkill in terms of creating an urban ambiance.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by SL123

I think Beechwood is the next Hintonburg, it has all the ingredient already present, just need a few more project adding density to the area and its gonna be the next hip place.

Beechwood itself is already pretty gentrified no?

Not sure if it's hip but it has new condos lots of restaurants and the like.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

Quebecs new language laws will however cause problems for Quebec in terms of growth.

And the new discriminatory Loi 21.

Originally Posted by silvergate

Not to mention western quebecs horrific healthcare system.

Yup. Unfortunately though, the Ontario system has taken quite a dive over the last few years. Never thought we'd close Emergency rooms for lack of staff on this side, but here we are.

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Most of this just impacts Francophones no? I mean the hostile attitude does scare some away but that's been more or less present for 40 years. Keeping Francophones out of CEGEPs or making immigrants speak French doesn't matter if you are the typcial mostly bilingual Canadian civil servant figuring out where to live.

Anglophones too. I believe English schools now have to do business in French and the new laws limit the number of students that can enroll in English Cegeps. Not great for Gatineau that is constantly competing with Ottawa institutions, and even worse for the labour shortage.

Healthcare is horrible but my sister works at CHEO and it's pretty much open to Quebecers so you can just do that even if paperwork might be a bit of a hassle.

Sure, Quebec residents can use the emergency rooms in Ontario, but many doctors and specialists don't accept Quebec patients because the carte soleil doesn't pay as well.

[SL123]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Beechwood itself is already pretty gentrified no?

Not sure if it's hip but it has new condos lots of restaurants and the like.

Lots of gentrification possibilities left on the Vanier north side of Beechwood (I'm including the side streets adjacent beechwood, Not just Beechwood)

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Most of this just impacts Francophones no? I mean the hostile attitude does scare some away but that's been more or less present for 40 years. Keeping Francophones out of CEGEPs or making immigrants speak French doesn't matter if you are the typcial mostly bilingual Canadian civil servant figuring out where to live.

The English schools are still better than Ottawa side in many ways exactly because of bill 101.

Healthcare is horrible but my sister works at CHEO and it's pretty much open to Quebecers so you can just do that even if paperwork might be a bit of a hassle.

Last I checked of your move there you can't send your kids to the English boards.... Cause that sounds like unless your parents went to an English school in Quebec you can't access the English board nor have the right to be served in English and etc.

Yes bilingual will be fine but there aren't that many in Canada for French outside of Quebec.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5348007