City Centre Transit Terminal

[omro]

Originally Posted by ryan_mcgreal

A bit more than half the HSR's revenue comes from fares, and the rest comes from the city's transit budget. If the HSR's ridership goes up significantly, that means the city will have to spend more public money on transit - but council still regards transit as a subsidy to be minimized rather than an investment to be leveraged. Factor in the city's bizarre area rating system, in which residents of different parts of the city pay different tax rates toward transit, and you end up with a situation in which it's remarkably difficult to get more revenue into our transit system to expand service.

Back to faulty logic again

[astroblaster]

Originally Posted by mic67

What Hamilton really needs is some 24 hour lines.

i totally agree. i would love to be able to get home for $2 instead of $15 after i go downtown to enjoy a night of entertainment.

don't know if it makes sense economically for the HSR.. but from a self interest point of view, this would be great.

[mic67]

So for $15 for a cab how far east or west does that get you from downtown ...say James street...to????

I doubt that the blue lines 24 hr ttc cover the cost of the 24 hr transit in fares, but it surely keeps some drunks off the roads.

mic67

[SteelTown]

HSR does have the B-Line as 24/7 service as one of its goals. Though I don't know if it's a short or medium term agenda.

[LikeHamilton]

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Tender for the Construction of the MacNab Street Transit Terminal

SCOPE OF WORK
The City Of Hamilton invites Bids from qualified General Contractors for the construction of the MacNab Transit Terminal, located on MacNab Street South between King and Main Street in the City Of Hamilton. The site will feature a new two storey, 233 square metre transit terminal building with public washrooms, waiting area and staff lounge and 43 pedestrian canopies, both with intensive green roofs. Work under this contract will include demolition of existing road structures, retaining walls, curbs, sidewalks and canopy shelters; concrete road and walkway construction; in slab ice melting system, storm sewer and watermain construction; construction of counterfort retaining walls; concrete ramp rehabilitation; site lighting and video surveillance; site landscaping and irrigation system; site signage and way finding.

MANDATORY SITE MEETING

Location: at MacNab Street, between Main and King, Hamilton
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009
Time: 10:00 am. Hamilton time

Closing 9/10/2009

[mic67]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YEMAausfD4

HSR Hamilton McNab plan terminal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhdk9...eature=related

Hamilton Ontario - Downtown at Rush Hour lol
6,098 views

mic67

[miketoronto]

Originally Posted by mic67

So for $15 for a cab how far east or west does that get you from downtown ...say James street...to????

I doubt that the blue lines 24 hr ttc cover the cost of the 24 hr transit in fares, but it surely keeps some drunks off the roads.

mic67

I pulled these quotes from the Service Review on Blue Night Overnight Transit service in Toronto. To see the whole report click on the link below. But otherwise you can see overnight service is not about financial recovery.
http://transit.toronto.on.ca/archive...anuary2005.pdf

"The Blue Night network was significantly different, in that it was planned on the basis of a reasonable walking distance to overnight routes, not on
ridership or financial performance."

"The total annual fully-allocated operating cost of the overnight network is approximately $9.7-million. Revenue attributed to customer-trips made on the overnight network is approximately $2.6-million per year. The subsidy required for the operation of the current overnight network is approximately $7-million per year."

"The 15-minute walking distance, or about 1250 metres, is a long walk
for some customers, but strikes an appropriate balance between providing acceptable overnight service at times of lower overall travel demand, while doing so at an affordable cost. Setting a minimum population threshold of 2100 persons per route kilometre for new overnight routes ensures any
significant additions to the overnight network are made in areas with a sufficient population density to warrant the service.

"Some of the overnight routes have a financial performance which would rank poorly if compared to the daytime network, but it is appropriate to continue to operate these routes in order to ensure that the basic overnight network provides coverage as widespread as possible throughout Toronto."

"The total costs and the total route financial performance of the overnight
network are appropriate and acceptable, considering the community need for travel in the overnight hours. The fact that ridership has increased over the last two decades on the overnight network shows that the services are well used."

[FairHamilton]

Construction of new MacNab Transit Terminal to begin

Hamilton, ON – October 15, 2009 – The City of Hamilton’s Public Works Department will begin work next week to build the new transit terminal on MacNab Street. The work will include the construction of a new terminal building, bus shelters, platforms and the reconstruction of MacNab Street between King and Main Streets.

The contractor, Sona Construction Ltd., is scheduled to commence work on Monday, October 19th and is expected to complete the project in August 2010. MacNab Street between King and Main Streets will remain closed for the duration of the project, with local access being maintained to the CIBC Building and Hamilton Convention Centre.

The construction of this new transit terminal is an integral part of the first stage of a master plan to revitalize the Gore Area, bounded by James and Catharine Streets, the north edge of Gore Park, and the southern sidewalk along the south leg of King Street East. The new transit terminal will result in the relocation of HSR buses from the south side of King Street East to the new terminal. Removal of buses from the south leg of King Street East provides an opportunity to improve the pedestrian environment in that area, which aligns with the City’s Downtown Secondary Plan: Putting People First. Subsequent stages of the Gore Area revitalization are being undertaken through The Gore Master Plan Project, which involves extensive public consultation. The completion of the Gore Master Plan Project will coordinate with the timing of the new transit terminal.

The design of the new transit terminal features green and innovative elements such as a green roof, and heated platform, as well as new shelters, public washrooms and enhanced accessibility for wheelchairs and bicycles.

[markk]

Construction of new MacNab Transit Terminal to begin

Hamilton, ON – October 15, 2009 – The City of Hamilton’s Public Works Department will begin work next week to build the new transit terminal on MacNab Street. The work will include the construction of a new terminal building, bus shelters, platforms and the reconstruction of MacNab Street between King and Main Streets.

The contractor, Sona Construction Ltd., is scheduled to commence work on Monday, October 19th and is expected to complete the project in August 2010. MacNab Street between King and Main Streets will remain closed for the duration of the project, with local access being maintained to the CIBC Building and Hamilton Convention Centre.

The construction of this new transit terminal is an integral part of the first stage of a master plan to revitalize the Gore Area, bounded by James and Catharine Streets, the north edge of Gore Park, and the southern sidewalk along the south leg of King Street East. The new transit terminal will result in the relocation of HSR buses from the south side of King Street East to the new terminal. Removal of buses from the south leg of King Street East provides an opportunity to improve the pedestrian environment in that area, which aligns with the City’s Downtown Secondary Plan: Putting People First. Subsequent stages of the Gore Area revitalization are being undertaken through The Gore Master Plan Project, which involves extensive public consultation. The completion of the Gore Master Plan Project will coordinate with the timing of the new transit terminal.

The design of the new transit terminal features green and innovative elements such as a green roof, and heated platform, as well as new shelters, public washrooms and enhanced accessibility for wheelchairs and bicycles.

[realcity]

sounds good..... too bad not included is space for a coffee/newsstand

[realcity]

ok two threads going on this subject....

start a new thread..... "Where to buy smokes and shoes in Hamilton"

[SteelTown]

Pretty sure it does include space for a coffee shop inside the passenger terminal.

[markk]

Anyone seen any artists renderings of what this new terminal is suppose to look like?

[SteelTown]

Rendering is at the link.......

Originally Posted by ryan_mcgreal

City Releases Design Concepts for MacNab Transit Terminal:

http://raisethehammer.org/blog/1404

[realcity]

ya uum... that looks like all the Upper Gage bus shelters put together. I think even the Soviets would've laughed at this.

ya ah? winter time? just curious? any thoughts? anyone? or was this conceived in June? from a Scottsdale AZ firm.

[SteelTown]

There's a nice toasty warm passenger terminal building with a coffee shop right across the shelters.

[realcity]

^ for you Hamilton... I give very specials price... only this days only prices for you only Hamilton... $10,000,000 dollars no? never been used bus shelters.... i got a deal good for you... my cousin... he... well nevermind.. he said I can sell for $8 million... THATS IT. And only now if you don't tell anyone.? Deal ya?

[realcity]

Originally Posted by SteelTown

There's a nice toasty warm passenger terminal building with a coffee shop right across the shelters.

It's still bush league. Like Brantford or something. Couldn't the median have more sheltering? newsstands, kiosks? enclosures? Connect the "across the street" coffee shop in some way, bridge? . *never mind the fact that there already is an ACROSS THE STREET MALL*. If was in the middle of nowhere it might get used.

But I'm waiting in the Mall... not that glass skid shelter.

I give that "across the street" toasty coffee shop 6 months... before it gets turned into a meth clinic. Oops that already happened at the Rebecca Terminal. Well come on ambitious city Hamilton lets beat that record.... 5 months...

[Jon Dalton]

If it's not a tim's I'll be happy

[realcity]

I voted B2... the most expensive.

We're the third largest city in Ontario. If Ontario was a country *10 million ppl* in Europe, we'd be a Manchester, Antwerp, Bonn or Glasgow. Rather we act smaller then Brantford and idolize the monkey-run suburb of Mississauga. And have the worst inferiority complex on the earth.

The Rebecca St Terminal *now meth/health clinic* was better then this.

Tell me this isn't already what's basically there now? A row of crappy bus shelters on a tiny median, waiting in all the worst weather for a crappy HSR once an hour.

ooo big deal a green roof... how long will that last? It's such a stupid idea on that roof it's ridiculous. As much lawn as a house in the Meadowlands.