Oregon Population Thread Including PSU and Census Data

[MarkDaMan]

Originally Posted by innovativethinking

Yet we continue to build 5 + 1 buildings smh

Totally missed which developer you worked for?

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by innovativethinking

Yet we continue to build 5 + 1 buildings smh

It’s time we build up and up and up to house these ppl moving to Portland it’s only going to be much more in the coming years

Actually 5+1 buildings add a lot of density to the city without the added costs of steel or concrete structures for taller buildings. When it comes to apartments in neighborhoods, this is the way to go.

[Natural]

Interesting site below....you can see where population is shifting. Scroll the tables to view all the States.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/ce...-by-state.html

[innovativethinking]

Originally Posted by urbanlife

Actually 5+1 buildings add a lot of density to the city without the added costs of steel or concrete structures for taller buildings. When it comes to apartments in neighborhoods, this is the way to go.

So why do taller buildings ever get built? If developers can save on added costs with 5 + 1s why do taller buildings exist

[mhays]

People will pay a premium to live in certain locations, making the added expense worth it. Also concrete is much quieter, so they'll pay more for that too. Sometimes they pay for height and views.

Nobody builds based on way-off population growth. They build based on conditions in 2017. If rents are high enough, they'll build the maximum allowed. This also ties to land costs.

[soleri]

Originally Posted by innovativethinking

Yet we continue to build 5 + 1 buildings smh

It’s time we build up and up and up to house these ppl moving to Portland it’s only going to be much more in the coming years

Developers are beginning to drag their feet, particularly on bigger proposals. AAT in the Lloyd District is cutting back on their project(s), and there is evidence that the boom is finally starting to lose some elevation. Loca at the Goat Blocks, e.g., is giving renters a free month's rent to sign a lease. There's a huge amount of inventory in the pipeline that is finally being delivered. If nothing else, it may explain why year-over-year rent percentages actually subsided last year.

Developers are not in the business of making our skyline dreams come true. If they were, they would probably go bankrupt in a hurry.

[2oh1]

Originally Posted by innovativethinking

Yet we continue to build 5 + 1 buildings smh

You're shaking your head because you don't understand even the basics, no matter how many times they're explained to you.

Do you understand how height increases costs? ...even in the most rudimentary sense?

Do you understand how those costs make apartments and condos more expensive?

Portland is not Hong Kong. It's not NYC. It's not even Seattle.

[rsbear]

Originally Posted by 2oh1

Portland is not Hong Kong. It's not NYC. It's not even Seattle.

And most people are happy about that!!!

[2oh1]

Originally Posted by rsbear

And most people are happy about that!!!

EXACTLY. I should have added "...and that's a good thing."

[58rhodes]

Originally Posted by 2oh1

EXACTLY. I should have added "...and that's a good thing."

why? just asking just wondering because everytime a tall building is proposed everyone seems to have an orgasm--just a little confusing to some of us

[innovativethinking]

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

why? just asking just wondering because everytime a tall building is proposed everyone seems to have an orgasm--just a little confusing to some of us

I know right lol

Everyone gets happy when a tall building gets proposed but when none are in the pipeline it’s “good we don’t need them let’s keep Portland stubby bc Barcelona is stubby” lmao

[2oh1]

Originally Posted by innovativethinking

Everyone gets happy when a tall building gets proposed but when none are in the pipeline it’s “good we don’t need them let’s keep Portland stubby bc Barcelona is stubby” lmao

No one is saying that. You're trying to twist words way out of context - or, perhaps you didn't understand them in the first place.

We all love skyscrapers. We've been trying to explain why more of them aren't built here.

[58rhodes]

Originally Posted by 2oh1

No one is saying that. You're trying to twist words way out of context - or, perhaps you didn't understand them in the first place.

We all love skyscrapers. We've been trying to explain why more of them aren't built here.

I dont think so when you go back and read all the posts--but whatever floats your boat-everytime one is proposed everybody gets all excited--But why arent they built here? theyre in smaller citites with just as small blocks--Nimbys? no money for that here? Maybe too many food carts?, Strip bars? Micro Breweries?--a cities growth should include business growth--just sayin-but whatever, lets let the excuses roll in--still we are the poorest major city on the Pacific coast--check the facts--Even Ted Wheeler agrees

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

I dont think so when you go back and read all the posts--but whatever floats your boat-everytime one is proposed everybody gets all excited--But why arent they built here? theyre in smaller citites with just as small blocks--Nimbys? no money for that here? Maybe too many food carts?, Strip bars? Micro Breweries?--a cities growth should include business growth--just sayin-but whatever, lets let the excuses roll in--still we are the poorest major city on the Pacific coast--check the facts--Even Ted Wheeler agrees

Technically that would be Sacramento who has a lower GDP, but even then the definition of "poorest major city" is a bit of a stretch since Portland ranks 20th in GDP in the US.

[Natural]

Portland's MSA or even Oregon's total population does not even come close to any of our West Coast neighbors MSA's.....Not a fair comparison or inference that Portland is poor.

[MarkDaMan]

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

I dont think so when you go back and read all the posts--but whatever floats your boat-everytime one is proposed everybody gets all excited--But why arent they built here? theyre in smaller citites with just as small blocks--Nimbys? no money for that here? Maybe too many food carts?, Strip bars? Micro Breweries?--a cities growth should include business growth--just sayin-but whatever, lets let the excuses roll in--still we are the poorest major city on the Pacific coast--check the facts--Even Ted Wheeler agrees

Could you do us a favor and post the "facts" you are referring to?

Specifically:

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

But why arent they built here? theyre in smaller citites with just as small blocks

I'm curious about who are these smaller cities with just as small blocks as ours that are building high rises taller than us? I'm sure you'll be able to also provide total square footage of current under construction development in those cities.

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

Maybe too many food carts?, Strip bars? Micro Breweries?--a cities growth should include business growth--just sayin-but whatever

Could you provide us with some facts that we are lacking in business growth in comparison to other metropolitans? (Just letting you know, food carts, strip bars and micro breweries are all businesses and so are Adidas, Nike, Intel, Precision Castparts, Daimler and Boeing.)

Originally Posted by 58rhodes

still we are the poorest major city on the Pacific coast--check the facts--Even Ted Wheeler agrees

I'd like to see the quote from Wheeler about being the poorest city on the Pacific Coast as well, fact that Portland is the poorest major city on the Pacific coast

TLDR; This isn't the Oregonian comment pages. Industries involved with development, journalists and enthusiasts come to SSP Portland for factual development news and discussion. If you are providing a "factual" statement, please back up those claims in your post or, perhaps, refrain from posting.

[soleri]

Originally Posted by MarkDaMan

TLDR; This isn't the Oregonian comment pages. Industries involved with development, journalists and enthusiasts come to SSP Portland for factual development news and discussion. If you are providing a "factual" statement, please back up those claims in your post or, perhaps, refrain from posting.

I've been on SSP for over 10 years and these kind of comments are legion. It's as if people believe there is some kind of conspiracy to personally deprive them of a skyline they can be proud of or, a sports' franchise that wins titles, or an economy that's makes them rich, or a housing market that is both hot and affordable. "They" are consciously frustrating us! J'accuse!

[MarkDaMan]

Census numbers show how economic rebound has changed Portland
Updated 8:13 AM; Posted 8:13 AM
By Elliot Njus enjus@oregonian.com
The Oregonian/OregonLive

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...art_river_home

The Portland region's strong rebound from the Great Recession has already dramatically reshaped the metro area over the last decade, new Census numbers show, and the stage is set for more growing pains in the years ahead.

The numbers from the Census Bureau's American Community Survey, released Thursday, shed new light on how the broad-based economic recovery has affected the region's neighborhoods and cities.

A buzzing economy has attracted a flood of new residents, and few parts of the metro have escaped the resulting population growth.

The metro area's median household income, meanwhile, still lagged those observed early in the recession. But the impact was uneven, with some neighborhoods seeing big increases in wages.

At the same time, housing costs have climbed across the region, and increasing traffic has lengthened commutes.

"As the economy recovered, we had an influx of population, and our housing and transportation response has not been as flexible as the in-migration," said John Tapogna, the president of Portland-based EcoNorthwest. "We've fallen behind."

Trends here reflect changes observed over a decade, split into two five-year periods to compensate for small sample sizes. Results from surveys conducted between 2012 and 2016 are compared to the same survey conducted between 2006 and 2010.

...(continues)

[dubu]

with 4.1 million people in oregon (the se part no one live because its a desert, oregon isnt that big actually) theres only one big city and its more a big town. what happens when theres 10 million people?

[justrmor]

Originally Posted by dubu

with 4.1 million people in oregon (the se part no one live because its a desert, oregon isnt that big actually) theres only one big city and its more a big town. what happens when theres 10 million people?

That "big town" becomes a big city.

Bend and Eugene become a "big town".