LOS ANGELES | METRO Project Rundown 2.0 (non-downtown)

[SoCalKid]

I was just reading SB 35, Scott Weiner's bill for increasing housing production, and I'm pretty impressed. It allows developers to opt in to streamlined approval for multifamily projects in "urban" zones (as defined by the census) in cities that have fallen behind on housing production (that is perpetually all of the big ones; LA, SF, and SD all built less than 70% of their prescribed amount in the last housing plan). The developments have to conform to objective local rules (as in only things that don't involve opinions), pay prevailing wages, and include 10% affordable housing (not too much of a deterrent in my opinion).

But best of all, this law will BAR local governments from requiring ANY parking in any of these developments that are either: within a half-mile of major public transit, in a historic area, or within one block of car share vehicle. Furthermore, developments that don't match those criteria cannot be required to build more than one parking space per unit. That is HUGE.

As written, that means that most housing developments in Downtown, Hollywood, Koreatown, Downtown Culver, Century City, etc that conform to existing zoning would be able to receive streamlined approval with no parking as long as they pay prevailing wages and include 10% affordable housing. Combined with community plan updates, this could spur a TON of new development. This has already passed the Senate, let's hope it passes the Assembly!!

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Wow, that's great news! Thank you for the Summary. Let's hope it passes

[caligrad]

"The Edition Hotel West Hollywood"

Is that the one on Sunset and Doheny? if so, i drove passed today, its currently on floor 10.

[blackcat23]

AMPAS Museum

[caligrad]

http://sportsnaut.com/2017/08/la-gal...enter-4k-fans/

http://www.businessinsider.com/charg...-la-low-2017-8

http://www.latimes.com/sports/charge...814-story.html

As predicted by pretty much everyone with any common sense in the sports world. The Chargers have near zero fan base in LA with more than half of the people showing up to the games being fans of the opposing team. So far with attendance records, the Chargers are being beat by The LA GALAXY SOCCER TEAM !.

If you can barely get 21,000 seats filled at the Stub Hub center, with its capacity of 27,000, What makes you think you can fill 70,200 in the new Inglewood stadium? The Rams are doing better, reaching 50-60k. Not bad for the preseason.

Dean Spanos is an idiot for moving the team here. Wont be long before he begs the NFL for forgiveness and move the team back to San Diego or somewhere else. Doesn't matter how big of a media market LA is at 18+ million people. If advertisers see lackluster attendance for the games, they will pull out.

[Eightball]

Chargers should've stayed in SD but pre season is so worthless the NFL is trying to cut it down to 2 games

[Blesha13]

Originally Posted by caligrad

http://sportsnaut.com/2017/08/la-gal...enter-4k-fans/

http://www.businessinsider.com/charg...-la-low-2017-8

http://www.latimes.com/sports/charge...814-story.html

As predicted by pretty much everyone with any common sense in the sports world. The Chargers have near zero fan base in LA with more than half of the people showing up to the games being fans of the opposing team. So far with attendance records, the Chargers are being beat by The LA GALAXY SOCCER TEAM !.

If you can barely get 21,000 seats filled at the Stub Hub center, with its capacity of 27,000, What makes you think you can fill 70,200 in the new Inglewood stadium? The Rams are doing better, reaching 50-60k. Not bad for the preseason.

Dean Spanos is an idiot for moving the team here. Wont be long before he begs the NFL for forgiveness and move the team back to San Diego or somewhere else. Doesn't matter how big of a media market LA is at 18+ million people. If advertisers see lackluster attendance for the games, they will pull out.

I blame the NFL for awarding the Chargers relocation first and Raiders second. Obviously the league didn't want the Raiders in LA again for the simple fact of trying to avoid the mess that happened in the late 80's/early 90's. Raiders relocation to LA would've made more sense than the Chargers who have near zero fan base as you mentioned.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

I'm the last person to defend this stupid move but they'll be just fine. There is nothing more boring than preseason NFL. They have sold out all tickets for the season with the highest ticket prices in the NFL (obviously due to having the smallest stadium capacity). More importantly to their owner, the value of the franchise has increased by 38% in one year and they haven't even done anything here yet (rams value has more than doubled)

[WestCoastSupertall]

Originally Posted by caligrad

"The Edition Hotel West Hollywood"

Is that the one on Sunset and Doheny? if so, i drove passed today, its currently on floor 10.

Yes the Marriott Edition is at Doheny and Sunset. 3 more floors to go!

[ChelseaFC]

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

I'm the last person to defend this stupid move but they'll be just fine. There is nothing more boring than preseason NFL. They have sold out all tickets for the season with the highest ticket prices in the NFL (obviously due to having the smallest stadium capacity). Their low importantly to their owner, the value of the franchise has increased by 38% in one year and they haven't even done anything here yet (rams value has more than doubled)

Sold out mainly due to non-affiliated ticket brokers. You should have seen how many 'fans' attended the new stadium focus groups with the sole purpose of buying tickets for re-sell purposes.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by ChelseaFC

Sold out mainly due to non-affiliated ticket brokers. You should have seen how many 'fans' attended the new stadium focus groups with the sole purpose of buying tickets for re-sell purposes.

Oh I don't doubt that at all

[Future_Manifested]

Originally Posted by caligrad

http://sportsnaut.com/2017/08/la-gal...enter-4k-fans/

http://www.businessinsider.com/charg...-la-low-2017-8

http://www.latimes.com/sports/charge...814-story.html

As predicted by pretty much everyone with any common sense in the sports world. The Chargers have near zero fan base in LA with more than half of the people showing up to the games being fans of the opposing team. So far with attendance records, the Chargers are being beat by The LA GALAXY SOCCER TEAM !.

If you can barely get 21,000 seats filled at the Stub Hub center, with its capacity of 27,000, What makes you think you can fill 70,200 in the new Inglewood stadium? The Rams are doing better, reaching 50-60k. Not bad for the preseason.

Dean Spanos is an idiot for moving the team here. Wont be long before he begs the NFL for forgiveness and move the team back to San Diego or somewhere else. Doesn't matter how big of a media market LA is at 18+ million people. If advertisers see lackluster attendance for the games, they will pull out.

The Chargers will be fine! They have a more talented team than the Rams.

[BrandonJXN]

Originally Posted by caligrad

http://sportsnaut.com/2017/08/la-gal...enter-4k-fans/

http://www.businessinsider.com/charg...-la-low-2017-8

http://www.latimes.com/sports/charge...814-story.html

As predicted by pretty much everyone with any common sense in the sports world. The Chargers have near zero fan base in LA with more than half of the people showing up to the games being fans of the opposing team. So far with attendance records, the Chargers are being beat by The LA GALAXY SOCCER TEAM !.

If you can barely get 21,000 seats filled at the Stub Hub center, with its capacity of 27,000, What makes you think you can fill 70,200 in the new Inglewood stadium? The Rams are doing better, reaching 50-60k. Not bad for the preseason.

Dean Spanos is an idiot for moving the team here. Wont be long before he begs the NFL for forgiveness and move the team back to San Diego or somewhere else. Doesn't matter how big of a media market LA is at 18+ million people. If advertisers see lackluster attendance for the games, they will pull out.

To be fair, no one really goes to pre season football. Secondly, the Chargers are fully aware that they're not liked in LA.

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[caligrad]

^^^ Right. Pre-Season is whatever in every ones book. But. That being said. With a stadium the size of stub hub, they should have been able to fill it to capacity at 27,000. All other teams in the NFL, including the rams, are performing in the 45-50+ range for the pre-season so far. Before the Chargers moved, during their preseason they were performing in the 35-45 range. With a stadium of half of that capacity, filling it should have been ridiculously easy, which Dean was hoping for to "prove a point" to San Diego. Well. It backfired.

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

I'm the last person to defend this stupid move but they'll be just fine. There is nothing more boring than preseason NFL. They have sold out all tickets for the season with the highest ticket prices in the NFL (obviously due to having the smallest stadium capacity). More importantly to their owner, the value of the franchise has increased by 38% in one year and they haven't even done anything here yet (rams value has more than doubled)

Yeah. It was all about the value and money with him. Nothing about the team or the sport. I honestly hope all of this backfires big on him.

[The Illusive Man]

Preseason is pretty awful. Nobody should be paying those prices to attend games.

I can't really blame Dean for the move though. If he didn't do it, then the Raiders would have and the Chargers would have been screwed for eternity. The Rams and Raiders up north would have been too much for them to overcome. Their small SD fanbase would have taken a huge hit and they'd be more irrelevant than they already were. They'd be competing with the Rams and Raiders in their palace of a stadium from their dump of a stadium.

This was a move for survival. They really had no choice.

The Chargers don't have much of a fanbase in LA but that doesn't mean that can't change in the future. The Clippers also came from SD and look at them now? Very high attendance, strong fanbase, very profitable, highly valuable, and so on. That wasn't the case when they first arrived. The Clippers were also able to do it with the Lakers in town. The Chargers don't really have to worry about that as the Rams are nowhere near what the Lakers are to this city.

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by The Illusive Man

Preseason is pretty awful. Nobody should be paying those prices to attend games.

I can't really blame Dean for the move though. If he didn't do it, then the Raiders would have and the Chargers would have been screwed for eternity. The Rams and Raiders up north would have been too much for them to overcome. Their small SD fanbase would have taken a huge hit and they'd be more irrelevant than they already were. They'd be competing with the Rams and Raiders in their palace of a stadium from their dump of a stadium.

This was a move for survival. They really had no choice.

The Chargers don't have much of a fanbase in LA but that doesn't mean that can't change in the future. The Clippers also came from SD and look at them now? Very high attendance, strong fanbase, very profitable, highly valuable, and so on. That wasn't the case when they first arrived. The Clippers were also able to do it with the Lakers in town. The Chargers don't really have to worry about that as the Rams are nowhere near what the Lakers are to this city.

Or the Chargers could've stopped pissing on the fans in SD and rebuilt some goodwill. The Chargers had enormous support in SD in the 90's and 00's. Problem is ownership ran the team into the ground. Apparently it is easier for them to move than address the underlying issues. Enjoy your new team, LA. Get used to making excuses for Spanos and Co.

[The Illusive Man]

Originally Posted by spoonman

Or the Chargers could've stopped pissing on the fans in SD and rebuilt some goodwill. The Chargers had enormous support in SD in the 90's and 00's. Problem is ownership ran the team into the ground. Apparently it is easier for them to move than address the underlying issues. Enjoy your new team, LA. Get used to making excuses for Spanos and Co.

Trust me. I don't feel great about this situation. I really like San Diego and did not want the team to come. I much preferred the Raiders but I understand where Dean was coming from. Would have been very hard to compete against both the Rams and Raiders in SoCal. Very hard.

I'm just saying that attendance its first few games or first season is not an indicator of what may happen in the future. The team can very well grow its fanbase overtime.

[Resident]

Originally Posted by caligrad

If you can barely get 21,000 seats filled at the Stub Hub center, with its capacity of 27,000, What makes you think you can fill 70,200 in the new Inglewood stadium? The Rams are doing better, reaching 50-60k. Not bad for the preseason.

Dean Spanos is an idiot for moving the team here. Wont be long before he begs the NFL for forgiveness and move the team back to San Diego or somewhere else. Doesn't matter how big of a media market LA is at 18+ million people. If advertisers see lackluster attendance for the games, they will pull out.

This logic F&*(ing kills me.

The Chargers are playing in a 30,000 seat stadium because it is a better experience than the coliseum, it is closer to SD and the OC where their fans are, and they want to differentiate themselves from the Rams.

They sold ~25,000 season tickets. That is the most they could sell in a 30,000 stadium. They are required to withhold some for the other team and NFL officials (about 1,000) and they also withheld some for single game tickets. They could have sold more.

So for a preseason game, they sold all their tickets. Repeat, every ticket was sold. The reason you have 21,000 people show up is because 30% of the season ticket holders don't care to go to a preseason game. That is a good percentage.

The reason other teams can get 45,000 to go to a preseason game is because they have a 70,000 stadium with 35,000 season tickets. They give away the other 25,000 tickets. The Chargers don't have those extra tickets because they only have a 30,000 seat stadium.

The Chargers will be fine and I bet do better than the Rams. No doubt the Raiders would have more fans if they moved back, but the Rams haven't been in LA in my lifetime and the Chargers actually have a good amount of fans in LA.

Just like the Clippers, Kings, Lakers, Dodgers, Galaxy, and LAFC, both the Rams and the Chargers will be fine and get plenty of fans. And with the ticket costs what they are, the Chargers are making ~70% in ticket sales at StubHub what they were making at Qualcomm.

[Resident]

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[Resident]

Originally Posted by caligrad

Dean Spanos is an idiot for moving the team here. Wont be long before he begs the NFL for forgiveness and move the team back to San Diego or somewhere else. Doesn't matter how big of a media market LA is at 18+ million people. If advertisers see lackluster attendance for the games, they will pull out.

Yeah, Dean is an idiot for moving his team into what will be the best stadium in the country where he will pay $1 a year. Not to mention the value of his team went from $1.5 billion to $2.3 billion plus. I'm sure he will move back and give up that $800 million of value of his franchise.

Link to youtube video of Inglewood stadium since I don't know how to insert pictures:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=B_MsqkGIw8M