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Old Posted Mar 13, 2018, 2:44 AM
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Well...Shucks...If we had any doubt that the state legislature and the SLC offices didn't get along...

The Wasatch Front is in the most prolific growth phase in Its history. Intelligent thought, deliberation, and cooperation are essential to navigate the challenges growth brings. Yet the incompetence and ineptitude of so called 'leadership' is both appalling and staggering. It is no wonder SLC's development has been retarded for so long.

Are the only solutions found in the voting booth?
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2018, 2:53 AM
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Salt Lake has lucked out - it hasn't actually had a bad mayor in a long, long time. People who think any of the recent mayors have been bad don't know what they're talking about or have lived in a bubble and need to get out more. The worst we may have with Jackie is that she's ineffective. We'll see how this showdown with the state goes. But every mayor has brought at least something decent to the table in terms of overall growth - while also losing something decent in the process. Some have been more successful than others, though.

There's no question Deedee Corradini was the most influential. She not only was instrumental in getting SLC the Olympic Games in 2002 but advanced light-rail, spearheaded the baseball stadium (even though I still believe it should have been built downtown) and oversaw the beginning stages of revitalizing downtown - and the city as a whole. She also presided over a crime-infested city, as crime in the 90s in SLC was at its worst. Her hiring of Ruben Ortega as police chief didn't help matters and her last couple years were filled with scandal and her association with the Bonneville Pacific corporation and even the Olympic bribery scandal (hard for me to believe no one in Utah politics, from the governor on down to the mayor, with how they all worked to get the games, didn't know about the bribery deals going around) goes to show she wasn't even perfect.

But none have been outright bad or corrupt or actively hurt the city with their leadership. Even if they stagnated or were unforgettable like Ralph Becker was.

No doubt, tho, Rocky was the most contentious.
I agree with this. You hear of so many other cities whose mayors get engulfed in major scandals and Salt Lake has avoided that (aside from the Olympics, which obviously extends far beyond just the city government).
They've all overseen positive progression. I still don't know what Jackie's vision for the city is, but at the very least, the city isn't regressing.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2018, 4:27 AM
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What do you have against Debakis. I've mostly agreed with his positions on left right and center(local public radio program)
If anything, Dabakis would be an entertaining mayor.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2018, 4:50 AM
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What do you have against Debakis. I've mostly agreed with his positions on left right and center(local public radio program)
Jim is too much a wild card. He is less volatile than Rocky, but not a lot.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2018, 5:21 PM
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What doesn't make sense is not registering any increase in Co2 levels on the urban sensors. I can see there being a smaller increase, but no increase? That calls into question the accuracy of this data.
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2018, 5:31 PM
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Another apartment building coming:

Planning Commission info - Ice House Apartments.

No attachments and I haven't been able to find any renderings. Hopefully Isaac will have an update soon.
Thanks Makid. This is a historic rail serviced ice block manufacturing plant, currently Erklens and Olsen auction house. I truly hope this plan includes adaptive reuse of the current structure. The Ice House is epic. It was Germany House during the Olympics and is a beautiful events space. Chased it a few years back but couldn't figure it out. Good luck to them.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2018, 12:45 AM
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What doesn't make sense is not registering any increase in Co2 levels on the urban sensors. I can see there being a smaller increase, but no increase? That calls into question the accuracy of this data.
Actually in several places in Salt Lake, like along 400 South, emissions have gone down because more people use transit.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2018, 12:46 AM
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2018, 6:04 AM
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I really like the way that hotel is utilizing existing space.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2018, 9:48 AM
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What doesn't make sense is not registering any increase in Co2 levels on the urban sensors. I can see there being a smaller increase, but no increase? That calls into question the accuracy of this data.
Also CO2 levels per capita nationwide are decreasing because of greater efficiency. It makes sense that even in areas that are growing CO2 levels could stay the same or go down.

I’d like to see the data that has been collected but I can’t find it anywhere.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2018, 6:55 PM
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Depends on the alternative. If it is between Jackie and Jim Dabakis, I would take Jackie. Between Jackie and Derek Kitchen probably Derek. My ideal candidate would be someone will a business background who sees a need to get serious about complete streets, solid relations with the state and advocating for aggressive changes to the zoning of the city to more widely see the adoption of a form based code.
I’m usually opposed to politicians with business backgrounds, but Corradini was the best mayor in the past 50 years and she had a business background.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2018, 7:24 PM
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I’m usually opposed to politicians with business backgrounds, but Corradini was the best mayor in the past 50 years and she had a business background.
Business background is not a must if they have had other experience that indicates to me they can lead and run something complex like a city. It is a balancing act because people can have a lot of experience but have very little vision or ideological core that tells me what they will actually do in office. Then again, some have very clear ideological cores, but are incapable of executing that vision.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2018, 9:21 PM
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If a politician has no business background, then they have absolutely no place regulating business. They should stay home and play Second Life or Sim City. That's why our city doesn't work. Not enough business experience down there.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2018, 11:45 PM
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What doesn't make sense is not registering any increase in Co2 levels on the urban sensors. I can see there being a smaller increase, but no increase? That calls into question the accuracy of this data.
I'd suspect a combination of retiring older "dirty" cars, and increasing number of ULEV and PZEV vehicles, and overall improvements to fleet economy.

If the average MPG bumps up from 15 MPG to 17 MPG, that's a pretty significant reduction in CO2 output overall.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2018, 4:08 AM
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If a politician has no business background, then they have absolutely no place regulating business. They should stay home and play Second Life or Sim City. That's why our city doesn't work. Not enough business experience down there.
Hey! Maybe we could get Trump to be our mayor! Clearly his business background qualifies him for the job. I'm sure he'd do fantastic work.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2018, 4:07 PM
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Hey! Maybe we could get Trump to be our mayor! Clearly his business background qualifies him for the job. I'm sure he'd do fantastic work.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2018, 4:39 PM
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Not too hopeful as I've seen what it usually means for this pitiful governor to "truly, deeply consider the issues" while being prompted to veto terrible legislation, but now the school districts are asking for a veto, which might actually strike a tone with him. Also really hard for me to overestimate how deeply disappointing I am in County Mayor McAdams on this. Hello McAdams! Are you fogging a mirror??

Pressure mounts as groups join Salt Lake's cries for veto of inland port bill
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2018, 5:37 PM
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Not too hopeful as I've seen what it usually means for this pitiful governor to "truly, deeply consider the issues" while being prompted to veto terrible legislation, but now the school districts are asking for a veto, which might actually strike a tone with him. Also really hard for me to overestimate how deeply disappointing I am in County Mayor McAdams on this. Hello McAdams! Are you fogging a mirror??

Pressure mounts as groups join Salt Lake's cries for veto of inland port bill
He's too busy running a listless campaign against Mia Love.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2018, 1:08 AM
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