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Old Posted Jun 20, 2016, 6:12 PM
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And then there is this puppy installed in the Toronto Pearson airport complex a few years back. It is still operational. I guess the US is just too litigious to allow this kind of system to be built, although the variable speed feature supposedly makes it safer than the high speed system developed for the Paris Metro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9k1K5M2Mkw
For some of us grownups, standing on a slowly moving walkway is preferable to walking faster if we're carrying a lot of luggage.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2016, 7:29 PM
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Does anyone know where Mikey711MN got the new renderings? It's obviously apart of some larger document/presentation. I'm sure I am not the only one in here who would like to read the entire report/update.
Here is a publicly available version. Enjoy!
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 12:02 AM
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Here is a publicly available version. Enjoy!
Thanks for the link. There was some good info on the south terminal:

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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 12:10 AM
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They make it look so desolate. At least put some people melting into the pavement.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2016, 3:32 PM
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I like A-01 or A-06, keep the terminal connected as one piece. Separating with trams and separate check ins and parking is to confusing.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2016, 6:13 PM
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I like A-01 or A-06, keep the terminal connected as one piece. Separating with trams and separate check ins and parking is to confusing.
But I already forbidden them from building those
The main reason is, the great thing about our airport is the relatively short walk from check in
to gate. When you start getting old, it makes a big difference
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2016, 7:22 PM
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But I already forbidden them from building those
The main reason is, the great thing about our airport is the relatively short walk from check in
to gate. When you start getting old, it makes a big difference
Multiple terminals/separate check ins is also a lot more scalable.

Trying to do a pickup/dropoff is already enough of a cluster when it's really crowded.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2016, 9:49 PM
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Multiple terminals/separate check ins is also a lot more scalable.

Trying to do a pickup/dropoff is already enough of a cluster when it's really crowded.
You don't have a way to add any more security checkpoints or ticketing counters but you are going to be adding a significant amount of passengers with that plan. The current expansion adds gates and those facilities you need.

You also have more cars using the same lanes with the same amount of parking. new terminal on the south side with a parking lot reflecting the capacity of the terminal and splitting vehicle traffic between two highways.

Doing extensions to the current terminal is cheaper to design, build and operate but a south terminal is a better experience for the passenger because of less crowding and waiting. Practically every airport has multiple terminals with trams. That isn't a big deal as long as you can afford to build the tram and don't have to bus people over. The big drawback is a smaller place for "airport cargo" and on the other side of the grounds.

The alternates I think could work are the ones that add a terminal to the west side of the grounds next to the existing terminal. 5-03, 5-08, 5-09, 5-10. None of these reflect the most recent addition of the car rental facility and I'm sure there are other changes they have made that deviated from this plan so we'll see what they come up with. They'll need to shoot for council funding in a couple years.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2016, 5:54 PM
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I think I heard lastnight on the news that Condor will arrive this evening. Anyone going out there to take pictures of video of it inaugural landing?
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I think I heard lastnight on the news that Condor will arrive this evening. Anyone going out there to take pictures of video of it inaugural landing?
Yes. It currently 9 minutes late (scheduled arrival was 6:55P and is now showing 7:04P).
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2016, 12:43 AM
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Does anyone know how often Allegiant flights have delays?
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2016, 2:48 AM
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What effects could we see regarding our British Airways service in the aftermath of Brexit? Could it be negatively impacted? With the Pound decreasing in value should we expect fewer travelers from London?
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2016, 3:33 AM
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What effects could we see regarding our British Airways service in the aftermath of Brexit? Could it be negatively impacted? With the Pound decreasing in value should we expect fewer travelers from London?
Could see an increase in traffic from Austin to London for the same reason. On a board I frequent, they were excited to get over there with the stronger dollar.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2016, 4:43 AM
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What effects could we see regarding our British Airways service in the aftermath of Brexit? Could it be negatively impacted? With the Pound decreasing in value should we expect fewer travelers from London?
There might be reduced business travel to and from Britain in the coming year or so. US tourism should be strong assuming there is not a big financial meltdown. I think the flight will still carry a lot of Europe bound business travelers who change at Heathrow. I know two or three Austin people who have made those connections just this year for business travel to cities on the European mainland. It is as easy a connect as you might get flying to JFK, Dulles, or Atlanta for direct flights, and you get BA service for the long haul flight and AA miles to boot.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2016, 4:14 PM
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An email response from:
Jason Zielinski
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City of Austin Aviation Dept.


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The current Master Plan is from 2003 with a small update in 2008. That current plan should have taken us to 2023. A new Master Plan is needed as we have completed many parts of the current Master Plan and have grown faster than projected. We are currently working on a new Master Plan. The Request for Qualifications (RFQ) should be out late July with a recommended consultant going to Council for approval in October. Once the consultant is on board the whole Master Planning Process will take 18 months. We appreciate your interest and please look for future community workshops were you can actively participate in the new Master Planning effort.

The South Terminal area will get some improvements to the infrastructure and as you say test out the process. The south Terminal will be adding more gates and a TSA checkpoint so this may relive some congestion. The industry is changing and adapting and a flexible plan is now in the works to meet those needs.

Looks like a little less than 2 years before we see the next recommended expansion which will lineup well with the current expansion. It'll be in the last phase and they can hopefully get approval so the design process begins while the east expansion is finishing up.

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2016, 9:12 PM
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Looks like a little less than 2 years before we see the next recommended expansion which will lineup well with the current expansion. It'll be in the last phase and they can hopefully get approval so the design process begins while the east expansion is finishing up.
Outstanding. Thanks for asking and posting their response.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2016, 10:38 PM
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Thanks, brando. I look forward to seeing what's going to happen. My guess is that it may be a bit different than some of the things that we've seen based on the explosive growth in the area and region. Exciting times.
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You don't have a way to add any more security checkpoints or ticketing counters but you are going to be adding a significant amount of passengers with that plan. The current expansion adds gates and those facilities you need.

You also have more cars using the same lanes with the same amount of parking. new terminal on the south side with a parking lot reflecting the capacity of the terminal and splitting vehicle traffic between two highways.

Doing extensions to the current terminal is cheaper to design, build and operate but a south terminal is a better experience for the passenger because of less crowding and waiting. Practically every airport has multiple terminals with trams. That isn't a big deal as long as you can afford to build the tram and don't have to bus people over. The big drawback is a smaller place for "airport cargo" and on the other side of the grounds.
I flew out last month and it was so crowded. Granted it was one of the busiest times of day during the busiest months. While the eastern expansion will help somewhat I cannot imagine keeping the airport as one terminal with piers because of the reasons you listed.

First of all traffic was just a nightmare with people just idling without passengers at the drop-off area, which admittedly could be mitigated by better enforcement.

Security was as bad as ever but I have a hard time blaming the airport layout for that, because Checkpoint 1 is almost always faster than the others and considering the airport was designed before 9/11 it makes sense that the older checkpoints just aren't as capable as one that just opened two years ago.

Past security was just mind-numbingly busy with people. I've noticed that people tend to cluster around the central concessions area, and so I imagine that regardless of any expansions short of building a new terminal, people will continue to cluster there.

It'd provide a decentralization of facilities that would be a much better experience, I'd argue for both passengers and employees.

As for transport between the terminals, I think a tram would be most likely, followed by just a walkway, but I'd argue that a tram has an added security benefit in controlling how many passengers can transit between terminals at once, and having inherent control points. Frankly I'd be happy with anything that isn't a Mobile Lounge à la Dulles which they're thankfully phasing out.
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^ All great points.
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i flew out last month and it was so crowded. Granted it was one of the busiest times of day during the busiest months. While the eastern expansion will help somewhat i cannot imagine keeping the airport as one terminal with piers because of the reasons you listed.

First of all traffic was just a nightmare with people just idling without passengers at the drop-off area, which admittedly could be mitigated by better enforcement.

Security was as bad as ever but i have a hard time blaming the airport layout for that, because checkpoint 1 is almost always faster than the others and considering the airport was designed before 9/11 it makes sense that the older checkpoints just aren't as capable as one that just opened two years ago.

Past security was just mind-numbingly busy with people. I've noticed that people tend to cluster around the central concessions area, and so i imagine that regardless of any expansions short of building a new terminal, people will continue to cluster there.

It'd provide a decentralization of facilities that would be a much better experience, i'd argue for both passengers and employees.

As for transport between the terminals, i think a tram would be most likely, followed by just a walkway, but i'd argue that a tram has an added security benefit in controlling how many passengers can transit between terminals at once, and having inherent control points. Frankly i'd be happy with anything that isn't a mobile lounge à la dulles which they're thankfully phasing out.
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