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Old Posted Oct 26, 2017, 10:25 PM
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50 Largest US Cities By Median Household Income, Under Age 25

I created a thread a month ago about median household ncome in the 50 largest cities and since then, I've been looking at different factors to determine why Oakland rose so fast in the past 2 years. It wasnt until I stopped looking for an answer in the stats until I came across this stat...

Median Household Income for all US Households Under Age 25 is $30,524

Usually under 25 is a group that is in school, or in entry level, or in menial jobs, which is understandable. But in 2016, this group in San Francisco and Oakland has a median income that tops the national median for all households($57,617), a figure more than twice the median for their same age group nationwide. I am still looking for more info on this through data but this is what I have so far...

50 Largest US Cities By Median Household Income, Under Age 25

2016:
San Francisco, CA $69,023
Oakland, CA $64,474
Virginia Beach, VA $45,506
Seattle, WA $42,271
San Jose, CA $41,115
San Diego, CA $41,062
Denver, CO $40,958
New York $40,714
Oklahoma City, OK $38,904
Colorado Springs, CO $38,524

Nashville, TN $37,667
Phoenix, AZ $36,707
Fort Worth, TX $36,647
Raleigh, NC $36,485
Atlanta, GA $35,279
Portland, OR $34,626
Boston, MA $34,496
Miami, FL $34,457
Washington, DC $33,979
Dallas, TX $33,911

Minneapolis, MN $33,584
Jacksonville, FL $33,110
Mesa, AZ $32,685
Baltimore, MD $32,586
Louisville, KY $32,212
Las Vegas, NV $32,087
Wichita, KS $31,106
Los Angeles, CA $30,976
Arlington, TX $30,855
Charlotte, NC $30,531

Houston, TX $30,303
Austin, TX $30,058
Omaha, NE $28,710
Kansas City, MO $28,121
Indianapolis, IN $27,707
San Antonio, TX $27,689
Chicago, IL $27,280
El Paso, TX $25,798
Milwaukee, NM $25,114
Columbus, OH $24,928

Philadelphia, PA $24,475
Tulsa, OK $24,234
Fresno, CA $23,619
Albuquerque, NM $23,407
Sacramento, CA $23,227
Long Beach, CA $22,323
Tucson, AZ $22,399
Memphis, TN $21,675
Detroit, MI $18,894
New Orleans, LA $15,810

2010:
Virginia Beach, VA $44,094
San Francisco, CA $34,497
Las Vegas, NV $31,573
New York, NY $31,538
San Diego, CA $31,523
San Jose, CA $31,078
Washington, DC $27,398
Minneapolis, MN $26,866
Long Beach, CA $26,916
Dallas, TX $26,642

Phoenix, AZ $26,557
Charlotte, NC $26,503
Denver, CO $25,644
Mesa, AZ $25,541
Arlington, TX $25,316
Houston, TX $25,242
Tulsa, OK $25,228
Nashville, TN $25,206
Jacksonville, FL $24,802
Los Angeles, CA $24,603

Oklahoma City, OK $24,514
Fort Worth, TX $23,684
Chicago, IL $23,292
El Paso, TX $23,221
Omaha, NE $23,183
Raleigh, NC $23,177
Portland, OR $22,875
Colorado Springs, CO $22,808
Albuquerque, NM $22,378
Fresno, CA $22,010

Seattle, WA $21,478
Sacramento, CA $21,317
Louisville, KY $21,263
New Orleans, LA $20,908
San Antonio, TX $20,687
Kansas City, MO $20,688
Baltimore, MD $20,669
Tucson, AZ $20,081
Oakland, CA $20,046
Columbus, OH $19,086

Austin, TX $18,549
Wichita, KS $18,729
Indianapolis, IN $17,990
Miami, FL $17,648
Milwaukee, WI $17,481
Atlanta, GA $16,820
Boston, MA $16,804
Memphis, TN $16,664
Philadelphia, PA $15,657
Detroit, MI $14,894

Change in Median Household Income, Under Age 25, 2010-2016
Oakland, CA +$44,428
San Francisco, CA +$34,526
Atlanta, GA +$18,409
Boston, MA +$17,562
Miami, FL +$16,809
Colorado Springs, CO +$15,716
Denver, CO +$15,314
Oklahoma City, OK +$14,390
Raleigh, NC +$13,318
Fort Worth, TX +$12,963
Nashville, TN +$12,401
Wichita, KS +$12,377
Baltimore, MD +$11,917
Portland, OR +$11,751
Austin, TX +$11,509
Louisville, KY +$10,949
Phoenix, AZ +$10,150
San Jose, CA +$10,077
Indianapolis, IN +$9,717
San Diego, CA +$9,539
New York, NY +$9,176
Philadelphia, PA +$8,818
Jacksonville, FL +$8,308
Milwaukee, WI +$7,633
Kansas City, MO +$7,433
Dallas, TX +$7,269
Mesa, AZ +$7,144
San Antonio, TX +$7,002
Minneapolis, MN $6,718
Washington, DC +$6,581
Los Angeles, CA +$6,375
Columbus, OH +$5,842
Arlington, TX +$5,539
Omaha, NE +$5,527
Houston, TX +$5,061
Memphis, TN +$4,993
Charlotte, NC +$4,028
Detroit, MI +$4,010
Chicago, IL +$3,988
El Paso, TX +2,577
Tucson, AZ +$2,318
Sacramento, CA +$1,910
Fresno, CA +$1,609
Virginia Beach, VA +$1,412
Albuquerque, NM +$1,023
Las Vegas, NV +$514
Tulsa, OK -$1,004
Long Beach, CA -$4,591
New Orleans, LA-$5,098


Percent Change in Median Household Income, Under Age 25, 2010-2016
Oakland, CA +221.6%
Atlanta, GA +109.4%
Boston, MA +105.2%
San Francisco, CA +100.0%
Miami, FL +95.2%
Colorado Springs, CO +68.9%
Wichita, KS +66.0%
Austin, TX +62.0%
Denver, CO +59.7%
Oklahoma City, OK +58.7%
Baltimore, MD +57.6%
Raleigh, NC +57.4%
Philadelphia, PA +56.3%
Fort Worth, TX +54.7%
Indianapolis, IN +54.0%
Louisville, KY +51.4%
Portland, OR +51.3%
Nashville, TN +49.4%
Milwaukee, WI +43.6%
Phoenix, AZ +38.2%
Kansas City, MO +35.4%
San Antonio, TX +33.8%
Jacksonville, FL +33.4%
San Jose, CA +32.4%
Columbus, OH +30.6%
San Diego, CA +30.2%
Memphis, TN +29.9%
New York, NY +29.0%
Mesa, AZ +27.9%
Dallas, TX +27.2%
Detroit, MI +26.8%
NATIONAL AVERAGE +26.7%
Los Angeles, CA +25.9%
Minneapolis, MN +25.0%
Washington, DC +24.0%
Omaha, NE +23.8%
Arlington, TX +21.8%
Houston, TX +20.0%
Chicago, IL +17.1%
Charlotte, NC +15.1%
Tucson, AZ +11.5%
El Paso, TX +11.0%
Sacramento, CA +8.9%
Fresno, CA +7.3%
Albuquerque, NM +4.5%
Virginia Beach, VA +3.2%
Las Vegas, NV +1.4%
Tulsa, OK -3.81%
Long Beach, CA -17.0%
New Orleans, LA -24.3%[/QUOTE]
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2017, 11:19 PM
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How do you define a "household" when most people (even bankers and tech people) are still living with roommates at that age?

And does it even make sense to look at household incomes for an age group that is mostly single?
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How do you define a "household" when most people (even bankers and tech people) are still living with roommates at that age?

And does it even make sense to look at household incomes for an age group that is mostly single?
I have to agree with that. Its almost pointless, these days, to look at median household incomes of age groups under the age of 30 for a bunch of reason currently. But I will say all of the numbers, even if we dove into that pond, seem waaaay off.
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Who the hell in Phoenix is making $36,000 or more by age 25!? Wages in Arizona are mostly shit.
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Here are all cities in the 1-year census estimate that have a median income for households where the head ages 15-24 is higher than the national median income for all households, which is $57,617.

Median Household Income, Under Age 25(above $57,617):
South San Francisco, CA $150,587
Palo Alto, CA $145,491
Clifton, NJ $102,857
Pleasanton, CA $100,780
Manteca, CA $97,607
The Hammocks, FL $95,184
Santa Clara, CA $87,074
Hayward, CA $85,735
Glendale, CA $79,537
Bayonne, NJ $78,697
Somerville, MA $76,773
Trenton, NJ $76,298
Castro Valley, CA $75,711
Rancho Cucamonga, CA $75,304
Rockville, MD $74,426
Casa Adobes, AZ $72,570
Garden Grove, CA $70,620
Carlsbad, CA $71,181
Thornton, CO $70,217
Gaithersburg, MD $69,282
San Francisco, CA $69,023
Walnut Creek, CA $68,764
Arlington Heights, IL $68,324
Santa Maria, CA $68,205
San Clemente, CA $67,631
Bethlehem, PA $67,582
Union City, CA $67,188
Toms River, NJ $66,764
Redwood City, CA $66,465
Centreville, VA $65,863
San Mateo, CA $65,510
Escondido, CA $65,382
Vallejo, CA $65,271
Newport Beach, CA $65,170
Oakland, CA $64,474
Arvada, CO $64,428
Roseville, CA $63,796
Hillsboro, OR $63,482
Mission, TX $62,762
Missouri City, TX $62,065
Brownsville, TX $61,680
Quincy, MA $60,973
Alameda, CA $60,906
Allen, TX $60,367
Goodyear, AZ $59,712
Georgetown, TX $58,892
Round Rock, TX $58,481
New Braunfels, TX $58,457
Miami Beach, FL $57,850

Very odd grouping which makes it all the more interesting.
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Some of these are bizarre. Clifton, NJ is the richest under-25 town in the NYC metro? Clifton is a working class, fairly urban, immigrant town. It looks like something out of Sopranos but with more Latinos and Russians. Bayonne is similar though with more gentrification. And Trenton is third richest? Weird. Trenton overall might be the second poorest town in NJ, after Atlantic City.

These are ACS numbers, so might be a bit fuzzy. ACS are sampled estimates. They probably aren't vastly off, but I wouldn't take too much from YOY changes.
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Missouri City (TX) higher than nearby Sugar Land or West University, Bellaire and Piney Point? Or even Houston proper? Ok...
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Some of these are bizarre.
No kidding! Manteca, CA? $97,607?? Huh?

It's an agricultural town, with a Glory Worship Center/Jesus es el Señor, and a Walmart... doesn't really have many amenities for the under 25 crowd who makes $97K a year.

But hey, I guess it's possible?
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Here are all cities in the 1-year census estimate that have a median income for households where the head ages 15-24 is higher than the national median income for all households, which is $57,617.

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The Hammocks, FL $95,184


Very odd grouping which makes it all the more interesting.
The Hammocks as in the SW Miami suburb? Thats got to be twice the overall median income for the hammocks. The Hammocks is home to Alienware and some drone tech companies but that seems a bit high for a working class neighborhood.
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No kidding! Manteca, CA? $97,607?? Huh?

It's an agricultural town, with a Glory Worship Center/Jesus es el Señor, and a Walmart... doesn't really have many amenities for the under 25 crowd who makes $97K a year.

But hey, I guess it's possible?
Assuming these are median numbers, Manteca probably also has one or a few corporate farmers who are very wealthy. That is the way it is all over the CV. Wealthy white Republican business and agribusiness entrepreneurs and poor Hispanic worker bees. And I've already said I knew at least one person who, several decades ago, was already commuting fom Manteca to the Bay Area. It's doable, especially with ACE (Altamonte Corridor Express):


http://www.bayrailalliance.org/altam...er_express_ace

Manteca was one of the earlier places people with kids began looking for housing if they felt priced out of the Bay Area (and a $97K income for a family of 4 makes you hardly middle class in the Bay Area). A lot of young families are like that. And $97k is "only" 2 x $48.5k.
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