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Well if cancelled we have to go back to the proposal / design stage anyways. So it will be an entirely new set of funding that would need to be made.

Realistically will probably take 2 years to get back to this point.

Which is a small sacrifice to avoid the poorly planned LRT.
BY which time the anti transit Tories could be back in Ottawa or we could be in a recession. It’s foolish to throw away this chance at the money.
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BY which time the anti transit Tories could be back in Ottawa or we could be in a recession. It’s foolish to throw away this chance at the money.
And build a terrible project over such a fear?

Seems like a silly way to think to me.

Also wouldn’t a recession lower the cost of such a project?
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I found something on the planning for SoF rapid transit. Looks like translink was actually listening and have added a new options for possible RRT routes.
They have taken the original plan with skytrain to Langley but have added a BRT route along king george and 104 ave.

I gotta say this Seems like it might come out being the best option since the time saving is the best now for everyone. Although I am still at a toss up with RRT 2

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BY which time the anti transit Tories could be back in Ottawa or we could be in a recession. It’s foolish to throw away this chance at the money.
It is foolish to destroy the park on 144th and 105th and the school ground on 150th by putting a road through it. That got people really upset.

It is foolish to reduce the very busy 104th ave to one lane in each direction to run an unnecessary streetcar down the middle of it.

It is foolish to not grant the wishes of voters who overwhelmingly chose to ditch the LRT by electing Doug and his team.

It is foolish to introduce another technology that does not seamlessly integrate into the already successful Skytrain.
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Hard to say what is going to happen with the L-Line.

If they decide to go with BRT and turn down senior government funding for LRT, they would have to go through a complete new redesign, and process to seek provincial and federal funding again.

However, I'm wondering if some of the bones of the LRT project (ROW and Stations) can still be built with some of that already dedicated funding. It would just be used with busses instead of trains.

The extension with Langley is definitely looking like Skytrain now moving forward
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Hard to say what is going to happen with the L-Line.

If they decide to go with BRT and turn down senior government funding for LRT, they would have to go through a complete new redesign, and process to seek provincial and federal funding again.

However, I'm wondering if some of the bones of the LRT project (ROW and Stations) can still be built with some of that already dedicated funding. It would just be used with busses instead of trains.

The extension with Langley is definitely looking like Skytrain now moving forward
Well all the engineering companies working on their bids would still have to back to the drawing board. I imagine simply deleting the LRT tracks and power lines is what would turn it into a BRT from existing.

Though I don’t know what Doug has in mind. He could turn around and ask for RRT1A or he could be cheap.
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hopefully this is what happens instead. a much better plan. reaches more people, costs a lot less, and has more than enough capacity.
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However, I'm wondering if some of the bones of the LRT project (ROW and Stations) can still be built with some of that already dedicated funding. It would just be used with busses instead of trains.
Small nitpick, but bus doors are located on the right-hand side of the vehicle; a median would require opening on the left. Would TransLink order customized vehicles, or just drive counterflow?
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Small nitpick, but bus doors are located on the right-hand side of the vehicle; a median would require opening on the left. Would TransLink order customized vehicles, or just drive counterflow?
True...

Maybe they could order custom busses? But this would likely be much more expensive.

There are some unique busses out there though, that are almost more LRT than they are your traditional bus. (This one from Malmo only has right-side boarding however)



Perhaps there could be a win-win here, keep the project largely in tact, but change the technology to BRT as a way to fulfill Doug McCallum's campaign promise and lower costs?
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Perhaps there could be a win-win here, keep the project largely in tact, but change the technology to BRT as a way to fulfill Doug McCallum's campaign promise and lower costs?
That'd work. Just need to run it along 105th instead of 104th - and get rid of the stupid GTA5 turns.
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It is foolish to introduce another technology that does not seamlessly integrate into the already successful Skytrain.
So you're saying Canada Line was a foolish decision?

Ron.
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So you're saying Canada Line was a foolish decision?

Ron.
If there was an existing SkyTrain from Waterfront to Broadway that the Canada cut short, then yes. Why have two rapid transit lines for different parts of the same corridor?
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Small nitpick, but bus doors are located on the right-hand side of the vehicle; a median would require opening on the left. Would TransLink order customized vehicles, or just drive counterflow?
If the buses run down dedicated lanes in the center median then it's possible to have crossovers on each side of a median station so the buses can board on the right side. There aren't so many buses running that this would cause a problem. It really depends on how many median stations there are vs. curb stations.

But median stations generally make for a poor transit experience because they require people to cross lanes of traffic to access them. It's better from a transit customer perspective to have curb stations located closer to the streetside amenities.
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Small nitpick, but bus doors are located on the right-hand side of the vehicle; a median would require opening on the left. Would TransLink order customized vehicles, or just drive counterflow?
New Flyer has made BRT vehicles with doors on both sides for Cleveland:
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So you're saying Canada Line was a foolish decision?

Ron.
Waterfront is an end/beginning point on the Expo Line as is the same with the Canada Line. Most people don't get off the Expo line to get on the Canada Line and vice-versa. There was no need to connect them directly. The LRT plan is to not extend SKYtrain east from KG but use LRT instead. That was my point.
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