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Old Posted Aug 28, 2011, 3:50 PM
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World Trade Center Construction Flaws Revisited

Since, the 10 year anniversary of 9/11 is coming up. Lets examine the building flaws that caused the WTC to collapse so fast. Here the three big point I can see. Lets hear your views and see what you ideas and solution are to these problems.

Failure to install sprinklers when the building was built. They were retro fitted a few years latter to it. Which comprised the fire integrity of the building.

Using the new system of spray on fire proofing. They got a waiver to change the current rules (when it was built and that a story in itself) and put it on about half as thick as the old rules said. But after 1993 they started to retro fit the building and put in new fire proofing at the old thickness levels. As the building floors become vacant this process was done. The north tower impact area had the new fire proofing and stood longer than the south tower for what its worth.

Failure to make the central core of the building masonry instead of fireproofing dry wall 2-3 inches thick.
     
     
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The Twin Towers were designed to withstand the collision of the largest commercial jet in existence as of the 1970s, a 707 I believe. Of course, the caveot to this was that it was thought that any such collision would be due to fog, or technical problems with the plane either coming in for a landing or taking off, etc. It was never thought that a jet loaded with fuel would speed into the towers deliberately, and at such a high rate of speed so as to do severe, irreversible structural damage. Similar to your question, I also wonder if one of the South Tower collision had been averted, and only the North Tower had been hit, might the South Tower had survived the North Tower collapse?
     
     
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It would have had, but it would have had suffered damage similar to 7 World Trade Center at best. Remember though the Twin Towers were built on private land, and they did not have to comply to building safety codes of the time. In fact that is the reason why the staircases were so narrow, and why there was only 3 instead of 4. Believe it or not there was actually a plan to narrow the staircases even more to make room for more office space before 9/11, but the Twin Towers themselves were strong buildings. The Twin Towers actually took the impact of the planes, and still stood allowing people to leave the building before their imminent doom. It's the same with the Titanic. Although the Titanic had it's design flaws it took the collision from the iceberg, and sank slow enough to allow as many people to leave the sinking ship as possible.
     
     
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Is "getting hit by airplanes" a design flaw?


I think that's really all it comes down to. Yeah, maybe if one thing or another had been done differently it would have turned out better, but it was designed well enough for usual use, and even considered the unusual event that a big airplane would crash into it. I don't know what more could be expected of a building.
     
     
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According to the conclusion of the NIST report, the WTC towers would have likely withstood the impact and subsequent fire if the explosions hadn't blown off the spray-on fire proofing. Given that they used the best quality fire proofing they had at the time, there was no "construction flaw". Additional fire proofing would not have solved the problem. Sturdier, yet lightweight fire proofing hadn't been invented yet, aside from asbestos-based products which were inherently hazardous and thus illegal at the time of construction.

The sprinkler system was up to code and did not "compromise" anything. Airplanes slicing through the building severed the standpipes along the way.

There was no "waiver" as the Port Authority, being a separate government agency from the city and state of New York, doesn't have to adhere to any building code except their own.

Using masonry partitions would not have made much of a difference. Parts of the airplanes, such as the engines, flew straight through the buildings, severing 5-8 columns each along the way. The B-25 that impacted the Empire State Building at low speed was able to penetrate the core of the building, which is masonry, and still severed multiple elevators, causing them to fall to the basement.
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The towers could simply not withstand that amount of energy and heat from the burning jet fuel, and the steel had really no protection. They were never designed for such a collision. I wonder, if hypothetically the plane had hit a structure such as the Empire State building instead of the WTC, and it being much more masonry, if it would have held up better than the mostly steel WTC Towers did.
     
     
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The Twin Towers were designed to withstand the collision of the largest commercial jet in existence as of the 1970s, a 707 I believe. Of course, the caveot to this was that it was thought that any such collision would be due to fog, or technical problems with the plane either coming in for a landing or taking off, etc. It was never thought that a jet loaded with fuel would speed into the towers deliberately, and at such a high rate of speed so as to do severe, irreversible structural damage. Similar to your question, I also wonder if one of the South Tower collision had been averted, and only the North Tower had been hit, might the South Tower had survived the North Tower collapse?
747s were developed in the 1960s and (per wiki) first flew commercially in 1970.
     
     
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When the Twin Towers construction started in the 1960's the 747 was still on the drawing board, and therefore wasn't yet considered a threat. Also you have to consider that the engineers of the World Trade Center never thought that a plane would intentionally impact the Twin Towers. They thought that any impact would be an accident. They never thought that a Boeing 767 fully loaded with fuel would hit the building. After all they weren't fortune tellers.
     
     
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When the Twin Towers construction started in the 1960's the 747 was still on the drawing board, and therefore wasn't yet considered a threat. Also you have to consider that the engineers of the World Trade Center never thought that a plane would intentionally impact the Twin Towers. They thought that any impact would be an accident. They never thought that a Boeing 767 fully loaded with fuel would hit the building. After all they weren't fortune tellers.
Exactly, noone ever thought in a million years a fully loaded jet would plow into the towers at around 600mph by crazy terrorists. Also, inside the towers, there was actually a lot of sheet-rock and little-to-no masonry or concrete. That, aside from the floors being largely wide open, let the fire spread very fast and not be contained. The excessive fire on the exposed steel in the towers is ultimately what brought them down.
     
     
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8:46:26: Flight 11 crashes at roughly 466 mph (790km/h or 219m/s or 425 knots) into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 93 and 99. (Many early accounts gave times between 8:45 and 8:50). The aircraft enters the tower mostly intact. It plows to the building core, severing all three gypsum-encased stairwells, dragging combustibles with it. A powerful shock wave travels down to the ground and up again. The combustibles and the remnants of the aircraft are ignited by the burning fuel. As the building lacks a traditional full cage frame and depends almost entirely on the strength of a narrow structural core running up the center, fire at the center of the impact zone is in a position to compromise the integrity of all internal columns. People below the severed stairwells start to evacuate—no one above the impact zone is able to do so.

10:28:25: The North Tower of the World Trade Center begins to collapse. Due to the destruction of the gypsum-encased stairwells on the impact floors (most skyscraper stairwells are encased in reinforced concrete), no one who was above the impact zone in the North Tower escapes the collapse. The Marriott Hotel, located at the base of the two towers, is also destroyed. The second collapse is also viewed live on television and heard on radio. The North Tower collapses 1 hour, 41 minutes and 45 seconds after the impact of Flight 11.

Several long-distance videos of the collapse, such as CNN, were able to notice that, after the cloud of dust had partially cleared away, a portion of the building was still standing. It appeared to be the lower half of the northwest corner column of the North Tower, which, like a spire, grew larger and had more structure still standing near the bottom. The portion rose to a fairly good height considering the collapse around it, as it appeared to rise nearly forty stories off the ground. This piece remained standing for a few seconds after the initial collapse before it also came down.


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In April 1970, the New York City Department of Air Resources ordered contractors building the World Trade Center to stop the spraying of asbestos as an insulating material.[13]

Fireproofing was incorporated in the original construction and more was added after a fire in 1975 that spread to six floors before being extinguished. After the 1993 bombing, inspections found fireproofing to be deficient. The Port Authority was in the process of replacing it, but replacement had been completed on only 18 floors in 1 WTC, including all the floors affected by the aircraft impact and fires,[14] and on 13 floors in 2 WTC, although only three of these floors (77, 78, and 85) were directly affected by the aircraft impact.[15][note 2] and that the fireproofing was being replaced due to its asbestos content, in fact the builders had been informed of a proposed ban on using asbestos/vermiculite fireproofing during construction and had ceased using it. By this time, only the fireproofing of the lower 40 floors of the north tower had been completed, and more than half of this was later replaced before the building was completed.[16] Although replacement fireproofing was specified at 1.5 inches (3.8 cm) in thickness, NIST found the average thickness to be 2.5 inches (6.4 cm).[17] NIST concluded that "the existing condition of the fireproofing prior to aircraft impact and the fireproofing thickness on the WTC floor system did not play a significant role".

     
     
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The WTC was desgin to still stand after taking a direct dead on strike from a 707. But they did not account for it coming in at max. speed nor for the fuel load. Plus a 767 is about TWICE the weight as of 707!!

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"FIREPROOFING" AT THE WTC TOWERS

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FIREPROOFING" AT THE WTC TOWERS






BY ROGER G. MORSE

I investigated the fireproofing in both World Trade Center towers over approximately a 10-year period between the early 1990s and early June 2000, the last time I was in the towers.

There were problems with the fireproofing in the World Trade Towers that may have rendered them vulnerable to fire. These problems are not unique to the WTC; I have observed similar problems with the fireproofing in many high-rise buildings in the United States and Europe.

FIREPROOFING TYPES

(Editor's note: "Fireproofing" is the name commonly given to fire-resistive coatings applied to structural steel components of high-rise buildings to protect them from the heat of a fire. Fireproofing is a critical fire safety feature of steel high-rise structures because steel begins to elongate between approximately 800°F and 1,000°F, temperatures easily reached by normal residential and commercial contents fires. Building codes require its utilization as well as its proper application. Fire codes require its constant maintenance.

Four different fireproofing materials were used during the construction of the World Trade Towers.

The initial material used for most of the fireproofing (later withdrawn because it contained asbestos) was a mineral fiber formulation consisting of about 20 percent chrysotile asbestos, 60 to 65 percent mineral wool, and the remainder made of gypsum and Portland cement binder. This was sprayed on structural steel up to the 36th floor and parts of the 37th and 38th floors of the North Tower.

Above this point in the North Tower, and for the entire structure of the South Tower, the spray was an asbestos-free successor to the original product consisting of mineral wool and binder. These formulations were applied to core columns, the outside face of the exterior walls and columns, the long-span steel joists (trusses) that supported the concrete floors, and trench headers for the underfloor raceway system.




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The third type of spray, a lightweight gypsum plaster with vermiculite aggregate, was used on the inside face of the exterior walls and columns and on the seats supporting the long-span joists. This material contained no asbestos.

The fourth formulation was a "hard coat" consisting of 80-percent chrysotile asbestos set in a matrix of Portland cement. This was sprayed over the mineral fiber fireproofing in locations where it was thought that the more friable fireproofing material could suffer from vibration or air erosion. As such, this "hard coat" was used in the high-speed elevator shafts between the concourse level and the 44th- and 78th-floor sky lobbies in both towers, where it was thought that air currents from the "piston effect" of the elevators could damage the fireproofing. This material was also applied to the ceilings of the four mechanical equipment floors (in both towers) and on the ceilings immediately below these floors.




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The WTC towers were built at the time of transition from asbestos-containing fireproofing to nonasbestos formulations. The nonasbestos fireproofing protecting some of the floors, including the floors impacted by the airplanes, was in some ways inferior to asbestos-containing fireproofing. The nonasbestos materials are less dense, less uniform, and less cohesive to the surface. Nonasbestos fireproofing materials were rushed into use, in some instances without the benefit of full-scale fire tests. To make matters worse, there were no field tests to determine if fireproofing materials were properly installed until 1977, when the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) published tests for adhesion, cohesion, thickness, and density of applied fireproofing. If these tests had existed in the early 1970s, when the towers were built, then the deficiencies outlined below could have been discovered and corrected.

APPLICATION DEFICIENCIES

Fireproofing was applied directly to the long joists that supported each of the floors. Inspections of the floors with asbestos-containing fireproofing (up to the 38th floor in the North Tower) found that there were numerous areas where the fireproofing had never been applied. Top and bottom chords and truss web members were exposed, and the red lead on the trusses was clearly visible in many locations. Photo 1 shows a truss with fireproofing missing from its end where it meets the outside wall. Also, the fireproofing was frequently thinner than the 3/4 inch described in the Federal Emergency Management Agency-funded ASCE BPAT report on the collapse of the towers. Many of the problems observed were clearly the result of poor workmanship.

However, the nature of the structures that were fireproofed and application methods used could also contribute to the problem. Applying fireproofing to a long-span or any type of joist construction is difficult. The round rods and small angles making up a truss are difficult targets for the installer. Spray fireproofing materials are typically applied from the floor with an extended spray nozzle. The installer may be unable to reach or see certain areas of the trusses that must be covered. This frequently results in thin or absent fireproofing on surfaces hidden from the floor by the bottom of steel members (photo 2). In the WTC, this resulted in sections of the top surface of the bottom chord of the trusses receiving an inadequate coat of fireproofing. These are deficiencies that would have been easily discovered by the ASTM field quality assurance tests for adhesion, cohesion, thickness, and density had these test methods existed at the time of construction.




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I inspected core columns up to the 78th floor but was unable to access them above that point. These inspections revealed that the bond of fireproofing on core columns had failed in many locations and the fireproofing was falling off the columns in floor-high sheets. Photo 3, taken in 1994, shows a core column from which the fireproofing had fallen off in a sheet that is several stories high. The red circle and date was the Port Authority's response to the missing fireproofing. This resulted because the steel had not been properly prepared at the time of the initial spray application. Rust scale had not been removed prior to applying the fireproofing. The fireproofing had adhered well to the rust scale, but the rust was coming loose from the steel (photo 4).




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Examining the rust, I discovered that cement paste from the fireproofing had run behind flakes of the rust, indicating that the rust existed at the time the fireproofing was applied. The result was that the fireproofing adhered loosely to the columns and would fall off in large sheets. This defect was never corrected and still existed in June 2000 and probably at the time of the plane crashes. It is possible the fireproofing was missing from sections of columns on the impact floors or that some or all of the loosely adhered fireproofing fell off with the force of the impacts. This is a defect that would have been easily discovered by the ASTM adhesion and cohesion quality assurance test, had this standard existed at the time of construction.




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In addition, there were a number of areas in the elevator shafts where fireproofing on core beams had been knocked off by elevator cables or had been damaged by foot traffic during installation of the elevator equipment (photo 5).

Fireproofing on joist-to-wall connections was also deficient. The long-span joists were supported by an angle seat welded to the face of the exterior columns. The fireproofing applied in some places was so thin that the angle seat, the shape of the bolts connecting the joist to the seat, and the bolts holding together the spandrel panels could be readily discerned. According to building drawings, these areas should have had a fire rating of four hours. For such a rating, properly applied fireproofing should be at least one to 11/2 inches thick. At this thickness, the bolts and even the angle seat itself would not be discernable (photo 6).




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There were a number of locations in the WTC towers where the work of other trades obstructed the installation of the fireproofing. This is a common problem in high-rise construction in which ductwork, conduits, and piping are installed before the fireproofing. Building codes should be strengthened, requiring that fireproofing be installed prior to the work of other trades. This is the only way that a continuous and uniform layer of fireproofing can be applied.

LACK OF QUALITY ASSURANCE TESTING

The WTC was built before there were accepted standards for determining if the fireproofing as applied in the field would perform properly. Would the material remain on the steel (adhesion), resist physical damage (cohesion), insulate properly (thickness and density), and behave as a fire retardant? Architects relied on the "testing" undertaken by Underwriters Laboratories. However, without field quality assurance tests, there was no way of knowing if the properties of the applied fireproofing matched those of the material subjected to the UL test. The previously discussed tests would not become available until years after the completion of the WTC. For example, the ASTM test for adhesion would have detected the bonding defects of the fireproofing on core columns. This test and the ASTM test for thickness and density would have determined the adequacy of the spray fireproofing on the floor joists.

The WTC should not be considered unique in this regard. The fireproofing in any building constructed before the ASTM standards became available in 1977 should be considered suspect.

ACCUMULATED DAMAGE TO FIREPROOFING

There is another important aspect to this issue. There is no existing requirement in any building or occupancy code to inspect the fireproofing in a building periodically to determine if it has degraded through gradual physical damage. This is even true for new construction where the fireproofing is installed and tested early in the construction process. Successive work by many trades often damages and removes whole sections of fireproofing. In the WTC, the fireproofing coatings had been damaged by later construction and renovation in many locations.

LESSONS LEARNED

In considering the possible causes of the collapse of the WTC towers, the possibility that the initial application of fire-resistive coatings was deficient must be considered. The implications of this are far ranging. The fire safety of buildings depends on the fire-resistance ratings' successfully resulting in buildings that stay standing despite fire damage. Prior to the collapse of the WTC towers, it was thought that adherence to the fire-resistance ratings in the building codes would result in buildings that were safe for occupants and for those who fight fires. However, the entire scheme currently used to make these determinations must be called into question. If the WTC towers were properly protected but fell anyway, then this would indicate that the fire-resistance ratings and structural reliability of buildings as they are now built are insufficiently protective. However, if the buildings failed because the fireproofing was improperly applied, then the standards for fireproofing application and maintenance need to be strengthened. Peoples' lives depend on properly analyzing these issues and then taking appropriate corrective action.

Deficient firestopping

Deficient firestopping provides an avenue for fire spread. Columns, girders and beams are commonly protected with spray asbestos insulation or a composition material. Spray insulation has been tested to offer four-hour test ratings on columns, three hours on beams and girders.

Test conditions, however, do not match actual conditions in the field. Insulation adhesion may be ineffective because of rust. Frequently, insulation is applied to rusted metal that has not been properly treated before application; the insulation's consistency may vary; its application may be inconsistent; or it may be dislodged during original and new construction and maintenance.

Source: HighRise/Fire & Life Safety, by John T. O'Hagan, Fire Engineering, 1977, pp. 23-28

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ROGER G. MORSE is a member of the American Institute of Architects and director of Morse Associates, which focuses on forensic building investigation.
     
     
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I watched the New York: Center of The World documentary, and Leslie Robertson, one of the people that were responsible for their construction mentioned, and said that the Twin Towers were built to withstand a plane impact. They did, but he never took the consideration of a fire. The building team didn't think that fire would really have an effect on the building. What doomed the building was the fireproofing was blown away leaving the lightweight steel vulnerable to the blazes. The blazes weakened the steel and caused it to sag. This sagging would sooner or later weaken the floor and would send it crashing to the floor below. The floor below carries the weight of the other floor that hit it, but there would be a limit. There was bound to be a limit, and when the building could no longer support the weight of the floors the entire building failed and came crashing down.
     
     
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^That documentary was wrong. NIST found that the floor trusses did not fail en masse. The floor trusses acted as a membrane, holding the exterior columns to the core, as they were designed to do. The collapse was entirely due to blown off fire protection exposing naked columns to fire, which were then heated above their yield strength.
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September 23, 2011

New Theory on World Trade Center Collapse Blames Explosive Chemical Reaction

Molten aluminum mixing with water could have ultimately brought the towers down

By Clay Dillow

More than ten years after the fact, a scientists based at the Norwegian research institute SINTEF is proposing that a well-documented chemical reaction spelled the ultimate demise of the Twin Towers after the attacks of September 11, 2001. This isn’t another conspiracy theory, nor is it proven fact. But Christian Simensen theorizes that a mix of molten aluminum from the aircraft bodies mixed with water from the sprinkler systems could have catalyzed secondary blasts that brought the World Trade Center towers to the ground.

Simensen’s idea, presented at a materials technology conference in San Diego this week, is thus: after the planes impacted the WTC towers, tons of molten aluminum ran down into the floors below the impact sites, mingling with several hundred liters of water from the buildings’ fire sprinkler systems. This mix of aluminum and water is known to cause a chemical reaction that can not only boost temperatures but also put off combustible hydrogen in the process. Basically, it’s a recipe for a really hot explosion.

The official 9/11 report assigns blame for the collapsing towers to the steel structural beams at the building’s core. Basically, it says that these beams became super-heated by the jet fuel inferno created by the impacting aircraft, and that in turn caused the structures to fail.

But Simensen’s explanation is intriguing. It doesn’t dismiss the official report, but simply claims that it doesn’t tell the whole story. He says the aluminum industry has recorded more than 250 water-aluminum explosions since 1980, and that at one point aluminum maker Alcoa did an experiment involving just 44 pounds of molten aluminum and 20 liters of water (along with a small quantity of rust, which exacerbates the reaction). The resulting explosion destroyed the lab and left a 100-foot crater, he says.

That was under controlled conditions, but extrapolate that to the uncontrolled conditions inside the WTC towers just after the attacks. Jet fuselages contain roughly 33 tons aluminum alloy that melts at roughly 1,220 degrees, Simensen says, turning to a water-like liquid at nearly 1,400 degrees. When the aircraft hit, they exploded and were immediately trapped between floors where debris like plaster quickly melted around them, creating a kind of insulated oven that would push temperatures well north of aluminum’s melting point.

That melted aluminum would then have run down to lower floors, where sprinkler systems were pumping water onto the floors. Once mixed, water and aluminum would’ve immediately reacted, boosting temperatures to up to 2,700 degrees and putting off explosive hydrogen. Thus, just as the steel supports were weakening as a result of the spiking temperatures, the hydrogen blasts would’ve been strong enough and hot enough to blow out a section of the building. That confluence of factors could have easily led to the “pancaking” of the floors above that eventually brought the buildings to their horrifying ends.

Knowing next to nothing about aluminum-water reactions, we’re not out to endorse Simensen’s theory. But it does address some loose ends, like the appearance of explosions from inside the buildings as they began their final collapses. The half hour to 45 minutes that such an aluminum meltdown would require also is roughly consistent with the time elapsed between the impacts and the collapses, Simensen says (once again, we’re not endorsing said math, just reporting what he said).

At this point we’ll never really know what happened. All the same, it’s an interesting bit of chemistry to think about.

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