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Old Posted Feb 20, 2012, 4:07 AM
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I took these these proposals from NJT , MNRR , RPA and some are mine which I marked "My Idea". If there are no markings , then you can read about it on wiki.. The list below took me 3hrs to slowly put together and i'm sure I messed something up... I will post the station list later....

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Current Network

Hudson line
Harlem line
New Haven line
New Canaan Branch
Waterbury Branch

Northeast Corridor
North Jersey Coast line
Morristown line
Montclair - Boonton line
Gladstone Branch
Danbury Branch
Port Jervis line
Main line
Bergen County line
Raritan Valley line
Pascack Valley line
Atlantic City line
RiverLINE

Under Construction / Under Study

Lackawanna Rail line
Hell Gate line
West Side line
Gateway Project to Penn Station & GCT

Proposed Network

West Shore line
Red Bank - Forked River line
Monmouth JCT line
Matawan line
South Amboy Branch (my idea)

Kingsland Branch (RPA)
Cross Chester line (my idea)
Lehigh Valley Rail Extensions
Danbury Branch Extension to New Milford
Old Piermont Branch (RPA)
Northwest Rail link (RPA)
Old Boonton Branch (RPA)
Beacon / Maybrook line
West Trenton line
Pompton Branch (RPA)
Cape May line
West Trenton Branch
Pennsville line (My idea)
Glassboro line
Millville Extension



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Electric Lines Powered @ 25kV/60Hz

North Jersey Coast line (South Amboy to Long Branch
Morristown line
Montclair - Boonton line
Gladstone Branch
Red Bank - Forked River line
Monmouth JCT line
Matawan line
South Amboy Branch (my idea)

Gateway Project to Penn Station & GCT

Electric lines Powered @ 12.5kV/25Hz

Northeast Corridor
North Jersey Coast line (Rahway to South Amboy)

Electric lines Powered @ 12.5 kV/60 Hz

Danbury Branch Extension to New Milford
Danbury Branch
New Haven line
New Canaan Branch
Cross Chester line (my idea)

Electric lines Powered @ 11 kV/25Hz

Hell Gate line

Electric lines Powered @ 750 V DC

Hudson line (Grand Central to Croton Harmon)
Harlem line (Grand Central to Southeast)
New Haven line (Grand Central to Pelham)

Diesel lines

Hudson line (Croton Harmon to Poughkeepsie)
Harlem line (Southeast to Wassaic)
Waterbury Branch
Main line
Bergen County line
West Shore line
West Side line
Raritan Valley line
Lehigh Valley Rail Extensions
Old Piermont Branch (RPA)
Pascack Valley line

Kingsland Branch (RPA)
Northwest Rail link (RPA)
Old Boonton Branch (RPA)
Beacon / Maybrook line
West Trenton line
Montclair - Boonton line (MSU to Denville)
Pompton Branch (RPA)
Atlantic City line
Cape May line
RiverLINE
West Trenton Branch
Pennsville line (My idea)
Glassboro line
Millville Extension


New Jersey Transit/NJDOT/PATH/DPRA/Metro North/CDOT/NYSDOT Rail Numbers

Heavy Rail

Jersey City (PATH) - 263,000 > 470,000 (2030)
Lindenwold (Patco) - 36,600 > 72,000 (2030)

Light Rail

NJ Gold Coast Network (HBLR) - 55,600 > 120,500 (2030)
Newark Network (NLRT) - 21,200 > 260,000 (2030)
South Jersey Network - 11,000 > 75,400 (2030)

Regional Rail

Northeast Corridor - 117,360 > 210,000 (2030)
New Haven Line - 115,948 > 240,000 (2030)
Morris&Essex Network - 58,400 > 85,000 (2030)
Harlem Line - 55,260 > 75,300 (2030)
Hudson Line - 50,509 > 74,100 (2030)
Main/Bergen/Port Jervis lines - 35,700 > 51,000 (2030)
North Jersey Coast line - 26,650 > 54,800 (2030)
Raritan Valley line - 21,800 > 57,200 (2030)
*Meadowlands line - 15,920 (2012)
Montclair-Boonton line - 15,750 > 35,100 (2030)
Pascack Valley line - 9,200 > 19,500 (2030)
*Yankees-163rd Game Day Ridership - 7,238 (2012)
Danbury Branch - 5,890 > 24,400 (2030)
New Canaan Branch - 5,640 > 7,200 (2030)

Shore Line East - 3,250 > 7,180 (2030)
Atlantic City line - 2,995 > 7,400 (2030)
Waterbury Branch - 740 > 4,270 (2030)

*Average Ridership during events

Future Systems , Readjusted to factor in new Job Growth projects and population trends... Most LRT and Some Commuter Rail lines will replace overcrowded bus routes , I did take that ridership and throw it into the numbers along with factoring in Job growth , TOD and general Transit growth.

Gold Coast Light Metro - 350,000
Manhattan Access/Gateway Network - 270,000
I-287 Rail Corridor - 135,000
MOM Network - 120,000
Westchester LRT Network - 110,700
New Brunswick LRT/BRT Network - 85,000
Newark-Paterson LRT- 75,200
Newark-Elizabeth LRT - 70,500

Hartford BRT/LRT Network - 65,800
Knowledge Corridor - 68,500

Northern Branch LRT - 66,000
Hell Gate line - 65,000
New Haven Streetcar Network - 60,000
Newark-Jersey City LRT - 59,100
Route 4 & 17 Bus Rapid Transit - 58,300
US 46 & Route 3 Bus Rapid Transit - 55,900

PATH Airport/Elizabeth Extension - 54,900
US 1 Bus Rapid Transit - 50,300
Garden State Parkway Busway - 48,100

Newark-Harrison-Kearny Streetcar Network - 45,900
Stamford Streetcar Network - 42,600
West Shore line - 40,200
Bridgeport BRT Network - 39,300
Glassboro/Millville LRT - 37,900
Philpsburg Connections - 35,600
US 22 Bus Rapid Transit - 35,400
Various Infill Stations - 35,000
Bergen-Passaic LRT - 30,400
Lackawanna line - 27,100
West Trenton line - 22,500
West Side Line - 20,700

Northwest Link/Pompton Connector - 19,200
Manchester Branch - 15,500
Mount Holly Branch - 14,200

West Trenton LRT - 12,800
Hammonton LRT - 10,400

Bristol Branch - 9,800
Princeton Streetcar - 9,300
Pennsville LRT - 7,200

Beacon/Maybrook Line - 5,500
Middletown Branch - 5,000
Central Corridor - 4,800
Eastern Link - 4,400
Cape May line - 4,200
Bridgeton line - 3,200

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Having the Danbury line extend to New Milford would be nice . . . even though it's already a 2 hr ride from Danbury to Grand Central.
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Didn't you do this list before? I've seen this already.

Also, this is the US not China.. seems like a dream map. Maybe a few of those will get done.

You missed the PATH to newark airport -- that would be very useful. Newark airport would become more desirable and more prestigious if it had a one-seat-ride to manhattan.
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Didn't you do this list before? I've seen this already.

Also, this is the US not China.. seems like a dream map. Maybe a few of those will get done.

You missed the PATH to newark airport -- that would be very useful. Newark airport would become more desirable and more prestigious if it had a one-seat-ride to manhattan.
I never done a list like this , ive done a few other things. I wouldn't call this a pipe dream considering that there getting serious with a few lines. A Few years ago the Lackawanna line was dead , and now its under Construction. The Glassboro line has starting waking up recently , and Penn Station Access. They tend to restore most lines in pairs of 2 or 3 , so I could see all of this getting done by 2050. Again that's 40 years away..... The PATH is not NJT , so I did not include. The Lehigh Extensions , MOM Rail Network , Penn Station Access will restore or extend 7 to 8 lines , those projects are cheap , as long as a project is cheap aka below 700 Million it will get built. Then theres CT which is getting very progressive with Rail and the Lower Hudson Valley. TOD and few other things will drive the Suburban Rail. Considering what they've built and upgraded over the past 20 years , its very possible...they've recently been upgrading the systems to handle the extensions. Some lines will get built or restored this decade , although no one knows which ones. The Lackawanna line threw everyone a curve ball , but I would be surprised if the West Trenton & Northwest lines got funded and built , and Pompton Branch.... As for Metro North there currently upgrading the Danbury Branch , and overhauling the New Haven line for Expansions in CT.... This is also the NY region , we tend to get funding more then say the Boston or Charlotte Regions , theres Bi-Partisan support for Rail here , which also makes all these lines possible. The Lackawanna line and Lehigh Valley lines are being pushed by Republicans and Conservatives...

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I never done a list like this , ive done a few other things. I wouldn't call this a pipe dream considering that there getting serious with a few lines. A Few years ago the Lackawanna line was dead , and now its under Construction. The Glassboro line has starting waking up recently , and Penn Station Access. They tend to restore most lines in pairs of 2 or 3 , so I could see all of this getting done by 2050. Again that's 40 years away..... The PATH is not NJT , so I did not include. The Lehigh Extensions , MOM Rail Network , Penn Station Access will restore or extend 7 to 8 lines , those projects are cheap , as long as a project is cheap aka below 700 Million it will get built. Then theres CT which is getting very progressive with Rail and the Lower Hudson Valley. TOD and few other things will drive the Suburban Rail. Considering what they've built and upgraded over the past 20 years , its very possible...they've recently been upgrading the systems to handle the extensions. Some lines will get built or restored this decade , although no one knows which ones. The Lackawanna line threw everyone a curve ball , but I would be surprised if the West Trenton & Northwest lines got funded and built , and Pompton Branch.... As for Metro North there currently upgrading the Danbury Branch , and overhauling the New Haven line for Expansions in CT.... This is also the NY region , we tend to get funding more then say the Boston or Charlotte Regions , theres Bi-Partisan support for Rail here , which also makes all these lines possible. The Lackawanna line and Lehigh Valley lines are being pushed by Republicans and Conservatives...
You've done this thread before and it got closed down because most of the information is uncited, unsubstantiated and conjectural.

Here's the former thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=177978&page=3
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You've done this thread before and it got closed down because most of the information is uncited, unsubstantiated and conjectural.

Here's the former thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=177978&page=3
I had it closed down , don't muck up my new thread.... Grow up , thats all i can say....what your doing now is trolling and creating a mess....
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Transit fantasy maps are an allowed topic here. Many forumers have made them over the course of many years. If it's not a topic you want to discuss, just don't open the thread.
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Man, a NJ Transit line to Cape May would be sweet. Traffic during the shore season is a nightmare (like 3 hours from Philly), I'd gladly pay the fare to avoid it. Ofcourse if and when it gets built, I'll probably be old and grey, but at least the next generation would be able to enjoy it.
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Yeah fantasy maps are fine.

A good map with all those proposals would be sweet. I've actually been working on a South Jersey network and I'm looking at what it would take to effect it. See here.

BTW if you're interested here's the map.
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Now THAT's what i'm talking about! I really do think that NJTransit should pay attention to South Jersey. I agree that traffic in the summer for South Jersey is a nightmare. They don't have the road network that North Jersey has! NJ55 is a freeway that just disappears and becomes an elongated bottleneck all the way to Cape May. US 322, forget it!

I like that So-Jersey hub there.
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Yeah fantasy maps are fine.

A good map with all those proposals would be sweet. I've actually been working on a South Jersey network and I'm looking at what it would take to effect it. See here.

BTW if you're interested here's the map.
Just curious but what type of ridership numbers would be needed to make this feasible? I like the military line as in ties in to Moorestown which is one of the major job centers in SJ. I realize that you are using the existing right of ways and that Camden is the center for that but I think it does not really address the commuter problem of where the job centers in the region are sans Camden and Philadelphia. Based off of what I have researched from DVPC.org the main job centers of South Jersey are Cherry Hill (42,890), Camden City (30,575), Mt Laurel (29,395), Pennsauken (21,178), Evesham (19,769), Moorestown (18,214), and Voorhees (17,352).

I guess this leads to my question that yes a lot of people commute to Philadelphia but 179,373 jobs are within the above red box and the majority of those workers do not live in the same town that they work. Do you think rail is able to serve work commuters for this area or are we stuck being attached to cars?
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Yeah fantasy maps are fine.

A good map with all those proposals would be sweet. I've actually been working on a South Jersey network and I'm looking at what it would take to effect it. See here.

BTW if you're interested here's the map.
Awesome map man, I first noticed it on your blog a month ago and really appreciate the work you've put into this. Never thought anybody else in the world besides me was thinking about SJ rail. The one thing I will say is that your Walter Rand-Hammonton line seems way too close to the PATCO line to be viable, at least in my opinion.


(BTW, you should put up your complete set of future Philly subway posts on this forum or City-Data or somewhere else, if you haven't already.)
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Slightly old map...alot has been added or put on the shelve since then



All Commited Projects are completed...

10 , on hold till the CSX tunnel Expansion and upgrade , it will service a gap in the Rail Network in Eastern Bergen and Rockland County , Projected Ridership is about 50,000

11 , 2018 Target Date , it will bring HBLR into Bergen County and add 60,000 daily users

12 , Could Be merged with #22

13 , Completed opened 2009

14 , Newark - Elizabeth LRT on hold for some reason even though Ridership was projected to be 85,000 and there were developments tied into it...

15 , On hold , was tied to the Newark - Elizabeth LRT

16 , On Hold , needs to studied again and expanded , Projected Ridership expected to 120,000

17 , On Hold , could be up and running by 2015 as a seasonal service though

18 , 2019 Target Date , would branch a LRT from Camden to Glassboro servicing 25-40,000 daily Riders and a growing corridor

19 , On hold till CSX and NS upgrade their trackage could be up and running by 2022 and would service Central Jersey with about 15,000 daily Riders

20 & 21 , Could be done later this decade after NS trackage upgrades ,Daily Ridership will be around 45,000

22 , will be Rail line servicing the NJ-23 Corridor , some plans have it running from Sparta to Hawthrone and others send it to the West Shore line #10 over # 12 plans , Ridership would be about 10,000 for this line.

23 , is Under Construction from Port Morris JCT to Andover and is set to Open by 2014 , Phase 2 will go into PA and open by 2019 if funded

24 , Is on hold and tied to 2 developments in the Amboys

25 , is on Hold , it was tied to a development that tanked after the recession

26 , was canceled and rebranded as the Amtrak Gateway Project

27 , Preparations were made for the first Phase of the Project to Belleview , but no other movement. NJT is in talks with NS to buy the line.
28 , was completed in 2009...Full BRT is under study

29 , would come with # 22

30 , is under study , could be a Rail shuttle

31 , a Private firm would due the LRT , the Busway is being studied by the DOT it would run down Route 27

32 , Its on hold for now , but could come with # 19

33 & 34 , have yet to be studied but wouldn't require that much


Theres also the following projects being studied by the state...and some private groups

- I-80/280 Bus Rapid Transit from Parsippany - Troy Hills to University Heights - Newark

- I-80 Bus Rapid Transit from Wayne to Bogota then Express service to Manhattan

- NJ 4 Busway from Paramus to Englewood Transit Center w/ connections to future Northern Branch LRT , Express Service to Manhattan

- US 1 Bus Rapid Transit from Princeton to New Brunswick

- US 1 Bus Rapid Transit from Edison to Elizabeth

- US 9 Bus Rapid Transit from Freehold to South Amboy , Express service to Newark and Jersey City

- NJ 18 Bus Rapid Transit from New Brunswick to Old Bridge

- NJT Mount Holly - Fort Dix Rail line

- NJT Amboy Branch - South Amboy - East Windsor Rail

- NJT Red Bank Branch Extension to Forked River

- Journal SQ - Historic Downtown Streetcar Network

- Bayonne Streetcar lines

- Princeton Streetcar line , replaces Dinky , Extends service into the Downtown

- NJ 55 Busway from Camden to Millville

- Vineland Commuter Rail line
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Station by Station

Current , Proposed or Under Construction stations

East of the Hudson

New Haven line - GTC route
Grand Central Terminal
Harlem - 125th Street
Yankees – East 153rd Street (Game Days only)
Fordham
Mount Vernon East
Pelham
New Rochelle
Larchmont
Mamaroneck
Harrison
Rye
Port Chester
Greenwich
Cos-Cob
Riverside
Old Greenwich
Stamford
East Stamford
Norton Heights
Darien
Rowayton
South Norwalk
East Norwalk
Wesport
Green Farms
Southport
Fairfield
Fairfield Metro Center
Bridgeport
East Bridgeport
Stratford
Milford
Orange
West Haven

New Haven Union Station
New Haven State street


Hell Gate line
New York Penn Station
Sunnyside JCT
Astoria
Hunts Point
Parkchester
Morris Park
Co-Op City
City Island-Orchard Beach
South Rochelle

New Rochelle
Larchmont
Mamaroneck
Harrison
Rye
Port Chester
Greenwich
Cos-Cob
Riverside
Old Greenwich
Stamford
East Stamford
Norton Heights
Darien
Rowayton
South Norwalk
East Norwalk
Wesport
Green Farms
Southport
Fairfield
Fairfield Metro Center
Bridgeport
East Bridgeport
Stratford
Milford
Orange
West Haven

New Haven Union Station
New Haven State street



New Canaan Branch
Stamford
East Stamford
Glenbrook
Springdale
Talmadge Hill
New Canaan


Danbury Branch
South Norwalk
Wall Street
Merritt 7
Wilton
Cannondale
Georgetown
Branchville
Redding
Bethel
Danbury
North Danbury
Brookfield
New Milford



Waterbury Branch
Stamford
Bridgeport
Stratford
Derby-Shelton
Ansonia
Seymour
Beacon Falls
Naugatuck
Waterbury


Harlem line
Grand Central Terminal
Harlem-125th Street
Melrose
Tremont
Fordham
Botanical Garden
Williams Bridge
Woodlawn
Wakefield
Mt. Vernon West
Fleetwood
Bronxville
Tuckahoe
Crestwood
Scarsdale
Hartsdale
White Plains
North White Plains
Valhalla
Mt. Pleasant
Hawthrone
Pleasentville
Chappaqua
Mt. Kisco
Bedford Hills
Katonah
Golden's Bridge
Purdy's
Croton Falls
Brewster
Southeast
Patterson
Pawling
Appalachian Trail
Harlem Valley-Wingdale
Dover Plains
Tenmile River
Wassaic


Hudson line - GCT Route
Grand Central Terminal
Harlem-125th Street
Yankees-E. 153 St
Morris Heights
University Heights
Marble Hill
Spuyten Duyvil
Riverdale
Ludlow
Yonkers
Glenwood
Greystone
Hastings-on-Hudson
Dobbs Ferry
Ardsley-on-Hudson
Irvington
Tarryrown
Philipse Manor
Scarborough
Ossining
Croton-Harmon
Cortlandt
Peekskill
Manitou
Garrison
Cold Spring
Breakneck Ridge
Beacon
New Hamburg
Poughkeepsie


West Side Line
New York Penn Station
West 62nd Street
West 125th Street
Dyckman St

Riverdale
Ludlow
Yonkers
Glenwood
Greystone
Hastings-on-Hudson
Dobbs Ferry
Ardsley-on-Hudson
Irvington
Tarryrown
Philipse Manor
Scarborough
Ossining
Croton-Harmon




Beacon / Maybrook line
Beacon
Beacon Town Center
Fishkill
Brinckernoff
Hopewell JCT

Brewster
Danbury
Newton
Derby-Shelton


West of the Hudson

Port Jervis line
Hoboken Terminal
Secaucus JCT
Paterson
Ridgewood
Suffern
Hillburn
Sloatsburg
Tuxedo
Harriman
Salisbury Mills-Cornwall
Campbell Hall
Middletown-Town of Wallkill
Otisville
Port Jervis


I-287 Rail Corridor
Hillburn
East Suffern
Airmont
Monsey

Spring Valley
West Nyack
Nyack
Tarrytown
Elmsford
Fairview

White Plains Transit Center
Downtown White Plains
East White Plains
Port Chester


I-287 Rail Corridor GCT spur
Hillburn
East Suffern
Airmont
Monsey

Spring Valley
West Nyack
Nyack

Irvington
Yonkers
Harlem-125th Street
Grand Central Terminal


West Shore line
Hoboken Terminal
Secaucus Road - Jersey City Heights
North Bergen Transit Center

Vince Lombradi Park & Ride
Ridgefield Park
Cedar Lane - Teaneck
West Englewood
Bergenfield
Haworth
Harrington Park
Tappan
Blauvelt
Valley Cottage
Congers
Haverstraw
Stony Point
Bear Mountain
Highland Falls
West Point
Cornwall on Hudson
Newburgh


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Jelly Roll, the big problem of the Cherry Hill/Mt. Laurel jobs nexus is that it's in the middle of the largest gap between existing railroads. The best solution there is ultimately light rail.

I haven't really developed a workable ridership projection system, but my eyeballing is that with reasonable equipment and service the Ft. Dix and Millville lines should have the highest ridership, probably on a par with the West Trenton and Lansdale/Doylestown Lines across the Delaware, and the lowest ridership (at least in the commuter section) would come on the Salem Line. That line should still get okay overall ridership, on a par with the Norristown Line.

The legacy network feeds into Camden; once it's fully functional, it can be tied into the existing Regional Rail network for full regional coverage.
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Your Map except a few lines was based on the NJT 2020 plan , which is now pushed till the 2050s... Alot of there plans got sheveled , but are starting to heat up again... TOD will play a huge role and expanding things in South Jersey.

The Cape May line is owned by NJT and leased to the Seashore Museum....service was supposed to be up and running by now but for some reason it got sheveled. It wasn't that expensive to restore , costing between 30-50 Million $$$. It was only to have a few stations. Not that you have there....

The Glassboro line once it get fully built and TOD erupts along that corridor i'm sure will see pressure to extend to Millville then Bridgeton , then Pennsgrove. I can't see Salem though , its to isolated and not much of a population base.

The Mount Holly Branch is also owned by NJT , there was to be service at least to Mount Holly by now but that stalled.... I doubt you could get any support for service to Camden vs Philly. I know they looked at LRT , but decided on Regional Rail. Pemberton recently released a smart growth plan for its town , the Toms River Extension has been thought of. The NJDOT owns those tracks if i'm not mistaken.

The Amboy Branch i had it originally going to Bordentown , but for some reason the Map crapped out. Bordentown is as far as it would go , then you would have to upgrade the platforms and signals , that would be messy. The Amboy Branch has a real chance when the MOM network gets built , so does the Tuckerton line , there in the full build out plans or if opposition to the Matawan line becomes a huge issue....

As for the Atlantic City Dinky service NJT proposed a Bus Rapid Transit system for AC and surround cities and onto the Mainland.
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Actually that area around AC would be perfect for BRT. As it stands loads there would be light. The Mays Landing route would be busier, as it hits more destinations (a mall, a college).

I have a hunch my ideas and the NJT 2020 thingy you're citing look alike because they are both developed off of maximizing use of existing resources. As it stands all the lines I'm using are either active freight lines or (mostly) available ROW*.

--I was thinking of terminating Amboy at Bordentown but Burlington is a somewhat bigger employment center and therefore a better terminus. Getting it to Bordentown, however, is still adequate.
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*There's a minor exception going down to Tuckerton where the easement was erased and a new would would hence need to be carved out through some back yards.
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