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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 2:47 PM
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In English, it should have one. It's grammatically incorrect for it to not have one, but it has one because French. Tim Hortons is the same way, started by Tim Horton, owned by Tim Horton, it was Tim Horton's company, but it's trademarked as Tim Hortons as if Hortons was his last name, because you can't say "Tim Horton's" in French.
It may be because of a concern about how it appears in French though McDonald's is still McDonald's in both Quebec and France. Some companies may have adjusted their signature in order for things to appear simpler in both languages but I can assure you that an apostrophe S is not a big deal to francophones these days.

Isn't one of the most famous restaurants in Paris called Maxim's?

I know when it existed Eaton's did go from Eaton's to simply EATON in Quebec, and at some point the EATON name may have become the standard across the country.

BTW though, doing away with the apostrophe before the S is not just done in Canada "because French". I'd say it's even more common in countries like Australia and the UK where it's not uncommon to see businesses called Johnsons named for the Johnson family. And I find Aussies in particular omit the apostrophe before the S a lot in street names and place names, either officially or officiously.

Personally I don't really find that attractive linguistically (I don't like the look of Tim Hortons either) and much prefer the apostrophe before the S.

But I am a bit of a purist for such things.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 6:02 PM
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CTV has a great story on the sudden listing of hundreds (yes, hundreds) of tacky Vancouver mansions coming up for rent cheap now that Foreign Buyers must pay the Speculation Tax on empty homes they're squatting on.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/why-ar...heap-1.4329800

The poster child was this hideous, make-your-eyes-bleed, piece of crap, proving that money can't buy taste, or that something was badly lost in translation:

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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 6:27 PM
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Personally I don't really find that attractive linguistically (I don't like the look of Tim Hortons either) and much prefer the apostrophe before the S.

But I am a bit of a purist for such things.
Same. My biggest pet peeve along those lines, the thing that inexplicably infuriates me, is when people spell "b'ys" wrong. Many, many, many people here write "byes" or "by's".

Speaking of which:



That's downtown Conception Bay South. Laval has nothing on suburban St. John's. And it just gets progressively worse. A few minutes outside the core, you're in suburbia. Then you get to Mount Pearl and the main downtown drag is like a big box store area - parking lots out front, cheap buildings, lots of fast food. Then you get out to Paradise and they often don't even have sidewalks. By the time you get all the way out to Conception Bay South, the main drag is four lanes wide and looks like a big box area.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 6:38 PM
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Shag it, I can just show you.

Chose the heart of the "downtown" cores of these two towns and one city. Conception Bay South and Mount Pearl are both around 25,000 people, and Paradise is around 20,000 people. And this is what they've come up with...



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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 10:08 PM
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It may be because of a concern about how it appears in French though McDonald's is still McDonald's in both Quebec and France. Some companies may have adjusted their signature in order for things to appear simpler in both languages but I can assure you that an apostrophe S is not a big deal to francophones these days.

Isn't one of the most famous restaurants in Paris called Maxim's?

I know when it existed Eaton's did go from Eaton's to simply EATON in Quebec, and at some point the EATON name may have become the standard across the country.

BTW though, doing away with the apostrophe before the S is not just done in Canada "because French". I'd say it's even more common in countries like Australia and the UK where it's not uncommon to see businesses called Johnsons named for the Johnson family. And I find Aussies in particular omit the apostrophe before the S a lot in street names and place names, either officially or officiously.

Personally I don't really find that attractive linguistically (I don't like the look of Tim Hortons either) and much prefer the apostrophe before the S.

But I am a bit of a purist for such things.
Apostrophe's have always been discouraged in nomenclature, both in business names as well as geographic place names. I've always found the possessive form in place names such as St. John's to be bad form (St. John does not "own" St. John's). Here is how it stands in the US:

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Place names in the United States do not use the possessive apostrophe on federal maps and signs. The United States Board on Geographic Names, which has responsibility for formal naming of municipalities and geographic features, has deprecated the use of possessive apostrophes since 1890 so as not to show ownership of the place.... Only five names of natural features in the US are officially spelled with a genitive apostrophe: Martha's Vineyard; Ike's Point, New Jersey; John E's Pond, Rhode Island; Carlos Elmer's Joshua View, Arizona; and Clark's Mountain, Oregon.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 10:13 PM
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God it's even worse than Thunder Bay
Those areas are not actually thought of as downtowns, they are mostly just highways with businesses along them, built up post 1960s. No one walks in those areas. Western Canada, for some reason, does small town downtowns much better.
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They Screwed up the last floor.

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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 10:18 PM
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Hey you had the same thought.


Looks like this:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=holst...w=1366&bih=614

Vegans won't like it there.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 10:20 PM
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Hey you had the same thought.


Looks like this:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=holst...w=1366&bih=614
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Hold your breathe, it's even worse here :
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.8632...7i13312!8i6656
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 10:23 PM
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Moo!!

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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 10:25 PM
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Terrible. Seriously, how a city can let this go.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2019, 10:43 PM
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Those areas are not actually thought of as downtowns, they are mostly just highways with businesses along them, built up post 1960s. No one walks in those areas.
They're still astoundingly ugly.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2019, 12:49 PM
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Apostrophe's have always been discouraged in nomenclature, both in business names as well as geographic place names. I've always found the possessive form in place names such as St. John's to be bad form (St. John does not "own" St. John's). Here is how it stands in the US:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostr...ographic_names
I still don't find it attractive.

In the Adirondack resort region of northern NY state, in the Lake Placid area, there is a town called Paul Smiths, named for Paul Smith. It is home to Paul Smith's College and Paul Smith's Hotel.
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https://www.google.com/maps/@46.8628...7i13312!8i6656

They Screwed up the last floor.

Mooh.



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Hey you had the same thought.


Looks like this:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=holst...w=1366&bih=614

Vegans won't like it there.
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Hold your breathe, it's even worse here :
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.8632...7i13312!8i6656
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Terrible. Seriously, how a city can let this go.
I never thought I’d say this but thank god Toronto (and Ontario) has no cow coloured buildings.
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I never thought I’d say this but thank god Toronto (and Ontario) has no cow coloured buildings.
Um...

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The moochitechture on this page is stunningly bad. Like most of what we've been seeing is just bland and suburban dreck. But the people that drew these things need to have their pencils or mice taken away from them and then be bludgeoned to death with the pencils or mice.

It's probably in poor taste, but we should do a 2019 awards thread. Everyone nominates something completed in their home town this year for the ulgies awards and we'll arrange things in categories and vote in January next year.

Worst hotel, worst urban re-use, worst reclad, worst multi-family dwelling...worst facadism...
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Um...

Oh forgot about The Sharp Center . Call me weird but It’s actually one of my favourite buildings in Toronto.
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