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Old Posted Aug 11, 2014, 2:22 PM
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I noticed for Calgary the map included Okotoks which isn't {for some reason only StatsCan knows} which is not part of the CMA but a separate CA.
Most of the maps include part of a city's region that isn't part of its urban area or CMA. However, we're talking about just urban areas on this page.

The entire urban area of Calgary is uniquely situated entirely within the borders of the city of Calgary. The city borders house enough farmland to hold a city the geographic size of Kitchener.

I can't seem to find the updated populations of Canada's urban areas at this time, but here are the numbers from 2011...

Toronto - 5,132,794
Montreal - 3,407,963
Vancouver - 2,135,201
Calgary - 1,095,404
Edmonton - 960,015
Ottawa - 933,596
Quebec City - 696,946
Winnipeg - 671,551
Hamilton - 670,580


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Old Posted Aug 11, 2014, 10:22 PM
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Why does the Vancouver one include so much of the ocean to the west? For example the lakes and oceans are cut right at the shore line for other cities. I can understand including rivers that cut through urban areas, but extending out into open bodies of water does not really make sense...
Because I did it in Paint using only the cursor to carefully cut around the borders. For the most part I cut out the incorrect stuff, but I mustve left some out.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2014, 2:17 AM
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Can anyone think of an easy method to map out the future sprawl of our cities? I guess the simplest way would be to find out which greenfield sites are next in line for development.

Not really answering ur question but I did some maps a while ago for sprawl past-to-present:

Yellow is all new sprawl since 2006
Red denotes sprawl from 1999 - 2006
Faded Red denotes sprawl from 1985 - 1999



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Old Posted Aug 12, 2014, 2:21 AM
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Because I did it in Paint using only the cursor to carefully cut around the borders. For the most part I cut out the incorrect stuff, but I mustve left some out.
Oh I applaud your work and it is a very cool graphic, but the Vancouver one including many kms of ocean is probably the largest mistake I have found.
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Very cool dleung! It would take.some time to compile, and I'm not entirely sure where to start compiling this info, but mostly I'm interested to see how much land our super-growth cities will take up in ten years.
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I could probably do one for the GTA, I know the rough boundaries of of urban expansion lands in suburban municipalities OPs.

Interestingly with Dleungs map there, at first glance it would appear that Toronto has sprawled uncontrollably while Vancouver is a nice tidy non sprawling city, which to some extent is true. That is, until you realize that Toronto grew by more than the entire population of Vancouver in that period.

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I'm having some trouble identifying the first city in dleung's post. Where is it?
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2014, 12:58 AM
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as promised, Toronto's planned sprawl areas. Blue outline is the existing urban area, yellow is planned expansion zones. Red lines are existing and planned highways, though not all of those planned highways have funding. This is probably enough land to last 20 years, or enough to fit roughly 2 million additional people into the GTA (including intensification). The theoretical population of this urban area is probably around 8 million.


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^I would include North Oakville on that map. Between Dundas St and the 407. But otherwise looks good!
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^its not in Oakville's OP as far as I can tell. The section is just mysteriously entirely missing out of the OP. It caught me off guard because I thought it was a large sprawl area, but apparently not.

Is there an OMB appeal going on right now that has had it removed or something?
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updated the map, included hamilton as well:

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Old Posted Aug 13, 2014, 2:09 AM
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^its not in Oakville's OP as far as I can tell. The section is just mysteriously entirely missing out of the OP. It caught me off guard because I thought it was a large sprawl area, but apparently not.

Is there an OMB appeal going on right now that has had it removed or something?
I believe the North Oakville secondary planning area was done separately from their new OP (which is still under appeal). The Eastern part of north Oakville has been fully approved by the OMB but I am not sure if the western portion is still under appeal. The eastern part is well underway.

It was a weird way to do things but I think they didn't want to open up a can of worms after all the political fighting to get the master plan approved.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2014, 2:55 AM
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Awesome work Innsert! Are those highways official proposals or just concepts? Peterborough connection looks familiar (current hwy 35?), as well as the Conestoga-hwy 6 upgrade, but that northern GTA bypass is new to me.

Oakville is already developed north of Dundas between Neyagawa and 16 mile creek, as well as between Sixth Line and Trafalgar, if memory serves me correct. Up to about halfway between Dundas and Burnhamthorpe for both sections. Curious to see how far it's continued when I go visit in September (along with the new hospital and Rain Condos).
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I included non 400 series highways in the map that sort of acts as 400 series anyway. (35, 115, 6 in Guelph, etc.)

The 404 extension, Bradford bypass, 407 extension, 427 extension, and Northwest GTA corridor are included in the highways map.
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I'm having some trouble identifying the first city in dleung's post. Where is it?
Vancouver is up there with Montreal, Manhattan and San Francisco for the most easily recognizable cities in satellite photos
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updated the map, included hamilton as well:

Impressive that Toronto can grow from 6m to 8m with what looks to be only a bit of sprawl added in. If you go back to those sprawl timeline maps earlier in the thread, Toronto sprawled a hell of a lot more than that when it went from 4m to 6m. Not surprising, the GTA's growth is about 50% intensification whereas before the year 2000 intensification might have made up 10% or so. Plus new suburban areas are much denser than older ones. New suburban subdivisions in Ontario tend to have lots of townhouses, duplexes, and semi-detached homes whereas older ones are almost entirely detached homes.

In Ottawa, new subdivisions in 2013 have an average density of 35 units per hectare, up from about 20 units per hectare for new subdivisions in 1990. I don't have those numbers, but it appears Toronto is similar.
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I like that Toronto's urban zone and Skyline are both roughly T shaped.
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Oshawa takes up more land than Victoria. It has a lot of planned sprawl in the nest few years too.

Interesting that the city of Toronto itself is still sprawling around Morningside.
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