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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 4:59 PM
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How the Koch Brothers Are Killing Public Transit Projects Around the Country

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/c...mate&smtyp=cur

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A team of political activists huddled at a Hardee’s one rainy Saturday, wolfing down a breakfast of biscuits and gravy. Then they descended on Antioch, a quiet Nashville suburb, armed with iPads full of voter data and a fiery script.

The group, the local chapter for Americans for Prosperity, which is financed by the oil billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch to advance conservative causes, fanned out and began strategically knocking on doors. Their targets: voters most likely to oppose a local plan to build light-rail trains, a traffic-easing tunnel and new bus routes.

“Do you agree that raising the sales tax to the highest rate in the nation must be stopped?” Samuel Nienow, one of the organizers, asked a startled man who answered the door at his ranch-style home in March. “Can we count on you to vote ‘no’ on the transit plan?”

In cities and counties across the country — including Little Rock, Ark.; Phoenix, Ariz.; southeast Michigan; central Utah; and here in Tennessee — the Koch brothers are fueling a fight against public transit, an offshoot of their longstanding national crusade for lower taxes and smaller government.

At the heart of their effort is a network of activists who use a sophisticated data service built by the Kochs, called i360, that helps them identify and rally voters who are inclined to their worldview. It is a particularly powerful version of the technologies used by major political parties.

In places like Nashville, Koch-financed activists are finding tremendous success.

Early polling here had suggested that the $5.4 billion transit plan would easily pass. It was backed by the city’s popular mayor and a coalition of businesses. Its supporters had outspent the opposition, and Nashville was choking on cars.

But the outcome of the May 1 ballot stunned the city: a landslide victory for the anti-transit camp, which attacked the plan as a colossal waste of taxpayers’ money.

“This is why grass roots works,” said Tori Venable, Tennessee state director for Americans for Prosperity, which made almost 42,000 phone calls and knocked on more than 6,000 doors.

Supporters of transit investments point to research that shows that they reduce traffic, spur economic development and fight global warming by reducing emissions. Americans for Prosperity counters that public transit plans waste taxpayer money on unpopular, outdated technology like trains and buses just as the world is moving toward cleaner, driverless vehicles.

Most American cities do not have the population density to support mass transit, the group says. It also asserts that transit brings unwanted gentrification to some areas, while failing to reach others altogether.

Public transit, Americans for Prosperity says, goes against the liberties that Americans hold dear. “If someone has the freedom to go where they want, do what they want,” Ms. Venable said, “they’re not going to choose public transit.”

The Kochs’ opposition to transit spending stems from their longstanding free-market, libertarian philosophy. It also dovetails with their financial interests, which benefit from automobiles and highways.

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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 5:23 PM
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It's amazing how much success people in power like the Koch brothers have had in destroying public infrastructure in this country in the last half-century.

Even New York has a crumbling, archaic, embarrassing system meanwhile cities a fraction of its size and wealth in other countries (like Montreal) have robust systems that are clean and updated.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 8:01 PM
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The media needs to forget the phrase "Koch Brothers" as brother David has recently withdrawn from public activity due to health. From now on, everything can be blamed on brother Charles alone.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 9:38 PM
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The media needs to forget the phrase "Koch Brothers" as brother David has recently withdrawn from public activity due to health. From now on, everything can be blamed on brother Charles alone.
It's nice that you believe he has relinquished any input on their collective machinations against progress in our country just because he has withdrawn from public activity - it is still very much a 'duopoly' of sorts, David is still involved in matters behind the scenes..and both brothers are still vile. May whatever God is out there have mercy on his evil, diseased soul.
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It's nice that you believe he has relinquished any input on their collective machinations against progress in our country just because he has withdrawn from public activity - it is still very much a 'duopoly' of sorts, David is still involved in matters behind the scenes..and both brothers are still vile. May whatever God is out there have mercy on his evil, diseased soul.
So much hate. How is he evil? The Koch brothers actually support some decent initiatives and their opposition to this particular transit project actually has some support on here among moderates.
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In the long run, their campaign against climate science will actually kill a lot of people through famine, disease, weather, etc...possibly millions of people if you could count the uncountable. We could be making progress but aren't, and it's largely because of scum like them. So yes, evil.

And obviously a lot of misinformation on transit.
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In the long run, their campaign against climate science will actually kill a lot of people through famine, disease, weather, etc...possibly millions of people if you could count the uncountable. We could be making progress but aren't, and it's largely because of scum like them. So yes, evil.

And obviously a lot of misinformation on transit.

So anyone who does not agree with a particular position on how to deal with global warming is evil?
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So anyone who does not agree with a particular position on how to deal with global warming is evil?
Either evil, misinformed, or both. In this case I'd say both.
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Suppressing science, creating intentional misinformation to sucker the public, which is clearly finding a lot of suckers...yes that's evil, and will kill countless people over time.

It's precisely the same as the people who claimed smoking didn't kill even when every honest knowledgeable person knew otherwise. They killed on a mass scale also. Or are you protecting them too?
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So anyone who does not agree with a particular position on how to deal with global warming is evil?
Just like anyone who does not agree with a particular position on immigration--the Kochs intensely disagree with the Trump Administration on that, probably because, like a lot of business, they want an continuous stream of cheap labor willing to work with minimum protections and for low wages.

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Either evil, misinformed, or both. In this case I'd say both.
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Suppressing science, creating intentional misinformation to sucker the public, which is clearly finding a lot of suckers...yes that's evil, and will kill countless people over time.

It's precisely the same as the people who claimed smoking didn't kill even when every honest knowledgeable person knew otherwise. They killed on a mass scale also. Or are you protecting them too?
I purposely posed my question to include the idea of different solutions=bad? It seems you are worried about the suppression of information rather than different solutions, which I think is a fair thing to worry about. My only thing about global warming is the solutions. It seems that if people don't agree with a particular political solution than they are branded as bad people. You don't appear to be on this train, great.
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Purposely posed the question in a way that helps them pass off their obstructionism off as simply being "different solutions".
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Purposely posed the question in a way that helps them pass off their obstructionism off as simply being "different solutions".
No. I was trying to read out someone's opinion. Your post is just an assumption based on nothing. They don't have a solution because they don't believe a solution is needed.
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Can't we just agree that obscenely wealthy guys like the Koch brothers, Soros, Theil, abuse their positions and manipulate the system?
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At least they're starting a campaign against the stupid tariffs and likely trade war Trump seems to want.
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In the long run, their campaign against climate science will actually kill a lot of people through famine, disease, weather, etc...possibly millions of people if you could count the uncountable. We could be making progress but aren't, and it's largely because of scum like them. So yes, evil.

And obviously a lot of misinformation on transit.
None of that is new. People have always died from starvation, famine, disease and weather events.

Over 200 million people died last century from warfare.
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None of that is new. People have always died from starvation, famine, disease and weather events.
While this is true, in a sane world we would work toward alleviating world hunger, combating disease and the vectors that spread it, and doing what we can to mitigate severe weather. However, we live in a world where it is more convenient to ignore science and continue on with actions and policies that will make hunger worse, ease the spread of diseases such as malaria, and make severe weather events more frequent and even more severe.
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Can't we just agree that obscenely wealthy guys like the Koch brothers, Soros, Theil, abuse their positions and manipulate the system?
BTW, Peter Theil seems psycho to me. The guy is so intense when he speaks that you wonder if he's ever had a day of fun in his life.
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While this is true, in a sane world we would work toward alleviating world hunger, combating disease and the vectors that spread it, and doing what we can to mitigate severe weather. However, we live in a world where it is more convenient to ignore science and continue on with actions and policies that will make hunger worse, ease the spread of diseases such as malaria, and make severe weather events more frequent and even more severe.
Just keep in mind that deaths by famine continue to drop significantly even as the global population has tripled.
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Just keep in mind that deaths by famine continue to drop significantly even as the global population has tripled.
So that makes the Koch’s misinformation regarding climate better? Or does that somehow mean that trend will continue unabated?
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