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Old Posted Jul 18, 2017, 1:39 PM
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I don't think you all are appreciating the extreme novelty of what Jeanne's trying to achieve with the color gradations. There was/is a huge potential for a permanent aesthetic catastrophe, IMO.

I believe there are a lot more glass choices with regard to shade and tone available in the blue/gray spectrum than the green... thus allowing for possibly more of a subtle and smooth transition with the light/dark transitions (remember, color/shade changes in order to maintain consistent solar gain with the SF changes between floors... )

You would think they would have figured it all out before all of the presentations, but I don't think that was the case... anyway, I think by going with blue/gray they have a much greater chance of success, or at least, avoiding disaster...
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I don't think you all are appreciating the extreme novelty of what Jeanne's trying to achieve with the color gradations. There was/is a huge potential for a permanent aesthetic catastrophe, IMO.

I believe there are a lot more glass choices with regard to shade and tone available in the blue/gray spectrum than the green... thus allowing for possibly more of a subtle and smooth transition with the light/dark transitions (remember, color/shade changes in order to maintain consistent solar gain with the SF changes between floors... )

You would think they would have figured it all out before all of the presentations, but I don't think that was the case... anyway, I think by going with blue/gray they have a much greater chance of success, or at least, avoiding disaster...
Agree.
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this location makes for such dramatic construction shots

very chill
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I just pulled up a drawing dated August 2016 that shows the blow-through. Fake News Chicago Arch Blog seemed a bit overly-excited with this "breaking" story..
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I just pulled up a drawing dated August 2016 that shows the blow-through. Fake News Chicago Arch Blog seemed a bit overly-excited with this "breaking" story..
It's a joke of a blog anyway. They always take claim for breaking stories and shit, when you could have found their material here a week prior
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2017, 11:46 PM
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Does a wind relief floor even do anything? I've never heard of this before.
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Does a wind relief floor even do anything? I've never heard of this before.
Instead of the wind slamming into the building and causing sway, the wind relief does just that, allows for the wind to flow through the space and lessening movement.
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Skyguy_7 got me poking around, and it looks like this model that made the media rounds in September 2016 reflects the blow-through floors. The balconies make it a little confusing... like somebody Sharpied out the floors after the model was completed. Either way. The fact that this fun design... embellishment(?)... was embraced in 2016 makes me feel a little better.
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Instead of the wind slamming into the building and causing sway, the wind relief does just that, allows for the wind to flow through the space and lessening movement.
Couldn't they have just added a tuned mass damper like everyone else?
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2017, 4:37 AM
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Couldn't they have just added a tuned mass damper like everyone else?
As was posted on the prior page, this will also work in conjunction with several liquid dampers. Maybe they could have done that, but I doubt that was more expensive than giving up what is basically two floors of salable space. There must be something about this design that makes it impractical.
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You guys know I hate being the dum dum of this group but does anybody have a diagram or visual of how a blow through floor works. Is it essentially like those vent floors in the hancock?
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You guys know I hate being the dum dum of this group but does anybody have a diagram or visual of how a blow through floor works. Is it essentially like those vent floors in the hancock?
It's like what you have at 432 Park where the light rings are. On Hancock those are just mechanical vents.
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Hopefully they have some way to light it up a bit.. They put those in the spot that should have the lightest glass. Every other point where the frustums are at their widest it is the lightest glass. Makes it look a little off.
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WOW!!! Those tilted columns are quite impressive! I am not sure why they are that way, but they are certainly impressive, they look more as belonging to a infraestructure work, such as a bridge rather than a building.
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Hopefully they have some way to light it up a bit.. They put those in the spot that should have the lightest glass. Every other point where the frustums are at their widest it is the lightest glass. Makes it look a little off.
How dark those floors are also depends on the time of day, I suppose. At some points it should be pretty light.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2017, 9:29 PM
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Plus the mullion grid will extend through there. If they use a light colored aluminum, it won't be completely a black hole. I wonder by the rendering and model if they still plan on having the recess for the (fake) balcony on that floor sans glass for consistency.
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How dark those floors are also depends on the time of day, I suppose. At some points it should be pretty light.
Someone on curbed states that there was a law against lighting up those floors in attempt to add some design element to what is otherwise just dead space. If so I wonder if the Wanda group could get the law changed. I think it would make a great positive difference if they could stylistically light up that area.
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