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The public agenda for the November 15 meeting is up, and it includes a proposed 2019 work plan, which includes going after federal dollars for Phase Three of the 10-Year Vision, which includes the Burnaby Mountain Gondola!
ScreamedYES!!!!! We are most likely getting the Gondola. Now when will construction start and when will it open?
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SkyTrain switch threatens to derail Surrey transit link

SBOT fears council’s light-rail reversal will mean long transit development delay

By Nelson Bennett | November 9, 2018


An artist’s rendering of the SkyTrain system Surrey Mayor Doug McCallum wants for his city and Langley | SkyTrain for Surrey

The fastest-growing cities in the Lower Mainland – Surrey and Langley – desperately need some form of rapid transit.

But will the City of Surrey’s insistence on a more expensive system than what was approved mean Surrey will get bumped down the priority list in favour of other regional transit projects, like the Broadway extension to the Millennium Line?

That’s one of the fears raised last week when newly elected Surrey Mayor Doug McCallum made good on a campaign promise to pull out of a light-rail transit (LRT) plan for Surrey and insist on a more expensive SkyTrain system.

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https://biv.com/article/2018/11/skyt...aNyNais4WgLtCE
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“The Surrey Board of Trade does not want transportation investments to be delayed yet again in Surrey – and that is what will happen with this new direction,”
That's great, dear. Unfortunately you are not in city hall, so get rammed. SkyTrain isn't just for you. It's also for Langley and the valley to feel like you aren't screwing them out of future development.

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Perl also characterizes the linear-induction propulsion system used in SkyTrain as “a dead-end technology” monopolized by one supplier – Bombardier Inc. (TSX:BBD.B).

“If you buy a SkyTrain, there’s only one supplier and you can only get it at the price they give to you,” Perl said. “There’s no price competition.”
I mean, we tried Rotem when the Canada Line was done and that did turn out great***, however even if you went LRT you would still be segmenting the transit network in ways that make expansion difficult 20 or 30 years down the line. Again, it's nice to leave the horizon open for future expansion, especially when most of the critics will be dead at that point anyways.
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Such a weird argument anyway. Sure it provides little transportation improvement at a huge cost, but at least we might get it a couple years faster!!!!

Also, the whole premise is flawed. "The fastest-growing cities in the Lower Mainland – Surrey and Langley – desperately need some form of rapid transit." No, they don't. Broadway, with buses coming every 2 minutes packed to the brim, does. I'm all for improving transit around the region, but let's be honest as to why this is done. It's about connecting regional centres, uniting our metro. It has nothing to do with ravenous demand, which does not exist.
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Also love the fear the SBOT tries to spread about Surrey’s project being “bumped” when the options layer out by Translink for the mayors to vote on tomorrow clearly state that that is not the case (as long as they vote for option 1 or 2, which immediately proceeds with implementing Skytrain and retains the 1.65 billion dollars for Surrey).

The ship has sailed but they will still kick and scream and try their best to spread lies.
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Also love the fear the SBOT tries to spread about Surrey’s project being “bumped” when the options layer out by Translink for the mayors to vote on tomorrow clearly state that that is not the case (as long as they vote for option 1 or 2, which immediately proceeds with implementing Skytrain and retains the 1.65 billion dollars for Surrey).

The ship has sailed but they will still kick and scream and try their best to spread lies.
Great point.

I wonder how far that $1.65 billion can take them. I also wonder if they'd be able to come up with the funds on such a short notice to keep the line going all the way to Langley.

Fraser SkyTrain + L-Line BRT = Fraser + L-Line LRT, no? Hopefully once they conduct the larger review of SoF rapid transit as they mention in that same report it shows that the SkyTrain + BRT strategy is feasible.
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Great point.

I wonder how far that $1.65 billion can take them. I also wonder if they'd be able to come up with the funds on such a short notice to keep the line going all the way to Langley.

Fraser SkyTrain + L-Line BRT = Fraser + L-Line LRT, no? Hopefully once they conduct the larger review of SoF rapid transit as they mention in that same report it shows that the SkyTrain + BRT strategy is feasible.
Nobody said they have to construct the Skytrain extension as "two phases" at different periods of time, they can do both phases at the same time if they have the funding. What constrains the construction is materials and labor availability. If you're really building 4 extensions (two phases of Surrey and two phases of Broadway) at the same time, then the guideway construction equipment might not be available if they overlap.
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Nobody said they have to construct the Skytrain extension as "two phases" at different periods of time, they can do both phases at the same time if they have the funding. What constrains the construction is materials and labor availability. If you're really building 4 extensions (two phases of Surrey and two phases of Broadway) at the same time, then the guideway construction equipment might not be available if they overlap.
But isn't Broadway mostly underground and Surrey mostly above ground? Should be different equipment for both no?
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But isn't Broadway mostly underground and Surrey mostly above ground? Should be different equipment for both no?
There is still an above ground portion of the Broadway extension.
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There is still an above ground portion of the Broadway extension.
It's pretty minuscule though. Like at most 1km.
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It's pretty minuscule though. Like at most 1km.
We should be able to reuse the guideway construction gantry. Do we still have the unit from the Evergreen Line in storage or has it been scrapped?

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I wonder if you could always ask for one when they are replacing them?
My contact at TransLink seems to of moved out of province. Unless someone else knows how to butter up Asset Control and Disposal (or just slips me a note under the table) I'm SOL.
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