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Old Posted May 22, 2009, 3:52 AM
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World Trade Center Summit to End Impasse Produces... Roadmap and Another Summit


Mayor Bloomberg on Thursday at Gracie Mansion, with Speaker Silver, left.

By Eliot Brown
May 21, 2009

It was too much of a nice day Thursday to spend hours inside, negotiating complex real estate deals. So, as expected, the political summit designed to break a stalemate at the World Trade Center was brief (about an hour long), and did not end with any large detailed plan or path forward.

Rather, the attendees—developer Larry Silverstein, Mayor Bloomberg, New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine, Governor Paterson and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver; and Port Authority executive director Chris Ward and Port Authority chairman Anthony Coscia, among others—agreed to devise a “roadmap,” in the words of Mr. Bloomberg, with the principals agreeing to meet again around June 11.

The public remarks following the meeting were brief. The mayor, flanked by Messrs. Paterson and Silver as well as Deputy Mayor Bob Lieber outside Gracie Mansion, outlined the vague path forward as a small legion of staffers and Mr. Silverstein watched from the mansion’s porch.

“We want to create a roadmap that would create progress at the site,” Mr. Bloomberg said. That will “require a realignment of incentives, which will take time to negotiate. It’ll require us to find ways to safeguard public resources.”

The discussions will be led on a staff level until the next principals’ meeting, though all are expected to continually meet, at least for now.

One of the most central questions is how many office towers to build in addition to the Freedom Tower—one or two—and that did not appear to be resolved (though the mayor did seem to echo Mr. Silverstein’s position, saying the parties need to “begin building for tomorrow’s real estate market. … The financial and real estate markets will come back.”)

If the answer to that question is two towers, the issue of financing jumps to the fore, as the Port Authority claims it simply does not have the capacity to pay for a second tower without decimating what it says is an already bare bones capital plan.
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Old Posted May 22, 2009, 4:40 AM
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The ups and downs of the W.T.C. talks to come


Governors Paterson and Corzine are expected to put more of their weight toward Chris Ward, far left,
on the Port Authority side of the “seesaw,” but Mayor Bloomberg and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver
are already leaning more toward World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein.


By Josh Rogers
May 22 - 28, 2009


Thinking of the World Trade Center impasse as a seesaw might be a good guide to predicting how a negotiated agreement will end up.

On opposite sides of the seesaw are two equally weighted adversaries — W.T.C. developer Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority, run by executive director Chris Ward. Both sides have offered some insights into their positions in interviews over the last few weeks, but the final outcome is more likely to be determined by the balance of power.

Each needs heavy friends to get more control and the balancing will begin Thursday afternoon, May 21 at a meeting at Gracie Mansion.

Perhaps the two heaviest weights involved based on their current political standing — Mayor Mike Bloomberg and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver — uncharacteristically are working together, standing in roughly the same seesaw spot with most of their weight on the Silverstein side but with a lighter foot helping the Port. Silver called for a meeting of all of the parties two weeks ago and Bloomberg immediately praised Silver’s ideas while inviting everyone to Gracie Mansion.

The two other players, Governors David Paterson and Jon Corzine, share control of the P.A., and are highly unlikely to put more of their weight on Silverstein’s side.

New York governors traditionally select the Port executive director and Paterson brought Ward in last year
to figure out a realistic timeline to build most of the components of the World Trade Center (the Performing Arts Center and Tower 5 are only long-term hopes). For Paterson to move squarely to Silverstein’s side now, he would also have to acknowledge in effect that he thinks he made a mistake in putting Ward in charge.

The New Jersey contingent of the Port has long resisted efforts to devote more resources to the W.T.C., favoring projects that benefit the Garden State more directly like a new commuter rail tunnel to Midtown. Corzine almost certainly will stay closer to the Port than Silverstein. His spokesperson declined to comment Wednesday.

The Port, which is building One W.T.C., has offered to help Silverstein get $800 million in loans to finish Tower 4 at the southeast corner of the site, which together would add about 5 million square feet of office space to the market in about five years. Those who have come down on the Port’s side of the issue have pointed out that Silverstein Properties recouped most of its investment in the W.T.C. six years ago and assert the Port shouldn’t subsidize a private developer in order to build an office building completely on spec.

In an interview a few weeks ago, Ward said the Port would only help Silverstein build 4 W.T.C.

“We have to find a way to bridge this gap, but it can’t be a second tower,” he said prior to Silver’s calling for a summit.

He proposes building retail structures or podiums at Towers 2 and 3 (which neither side is trying to build now) that would allow stores to open at the site long before those towers would be built on top.

On the other side, Janno Lieber, president of Silverstein’s World Trade Center Properties, said before the downturn, there were credible, long-term preditcions that the city would need 60 million square feet of office space, and even if those are overly optimistic by 20 or 30 million, there will still not be nearly enough to meet the demand. He said there will be practically no new green office space in 2013 when Lieber expects Tower 4 to open or in 2015 when Tower 2 could be finished with Port help.

“The idea that there won’t be any market [then], doesn’t make any sense based on history,” Lieber told Downtown Express.

In a prepared statement, he said the financial help would be a “backstop” to secure loans which the developer would repay.

Lieber said “the huge issue” is the infrastructure that Silverstein Properties needs to finish building the towers — a Vehicle Security Center and Greenwich Street itself, which will have office doorways to Towers 2 and 4.

“Where is the infrastructure,” Lieber asked. “Will the infrastructure be there in time for us to finish that building (Tower 4), open it and operate it…The schedule has fallen apart yet again.”

The security center, which will be built by the Port, will be needed in a year or two to run delivery trucks onto the construction site under the building in order to fit out the offices, which will be important to attracting commercial tenants. Construction on the V.S.C. is stalled because of the long-delayed demolition of the former Deutsche Bank Building, which is owned by the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. Candace McAdams, a Port spokesperson, said “we are in the process of developing workarounds to ensure the V.S.C. stays on track.”

The next piece to building Greenwich Street is constructing an underpinning structure to support the No. 1 train, which runs through the site. The Port recently completed the design for the underpinning but the Metropolitan Transportation Authority needs to sign off on it and it is still reviewing the plans.

Outside of the Port, there appears to be increasing skepticism that the retail podium idea could be implemented easily.

McAdams, the Port spokesperson, said they are “developing contingencies” for retail construction designs.

But Seth Pinsky, a key Bloomberg official who sided with the Port three years ago during the last major W.T.C. impasse, said it would be difficult to design the podiums, assuming officials committed to leaving the store structures alone for enough years to attract desirable tenants.

“But even then, I think you’re going to find lower rents, and it’s an engineering challenge to develop something like that,” Pinsky, now president of the city’s Economic Development Corp., told Downtown Express. “It can’t be all upside for Larry Silverstein and all downside for the Port, but we also don’t want to see something that’s bad from the perspective of planning in Lower Manhattan.”


Pinsky prepared a 2006 report for the mayor outlining the financial problems Silverstein would have trying to rebuild five towers at roughly the same time. The problems led to the Port and Silverstein renegotiating their 99-year lease for the W.T.C. Under the 2006 agreement, Silverstein relinquished control of the least viable towers, the Freedom Tower (now called One W.T.C.) and Tower 5. Silverstein also agreed to transfer a proportional amount of his insurance money and tax-free Liberty Bonds to the Port so it could build two of the towers.

The city and the Port committed to leasing 600,000 square feet each in Tower 4. One factor that may be troubling the P.A. is that at the same time Silverstein is asking the Port to take on more risk, he is also not willing to exercise his lease option with the city because he is expecting to get tenants to pay a lot more than the $59 per square foot rent he agreed to three years ago.

Many civic groups and local residents following the recent developments have expressed wariness for using public money to support a private developer, which could tip the seesaw a little more the Port’s way.

With little if any negotiations over the last two weeks, there is no expectation that a final deal could be reached in a meeting scheduled to last only an hour. The best that could be hoped for Thursday is a framework in which negotiations can proceed, two of the parties to the summit said.

And with Bloomberg and Silver allied and with their support among their respective constituencies high, they should be able to get the seesaw to balance close to where they want it — a commitment to build Towers 2 and 4 as Silverstein wants, but with the developer putting more at risk. Paterson and Corzine may be able to ease the Port’s risk more than the mayor and Silver would want, but they’ll be hard-pressed to put Tower 2 on hold if that’s their plan.


With reporting by Julie Shapiro
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Bloomberg's plan for feuding WTC parties? Impose a news blackout, fight behind closed doors



BY Douglas Feiden
May 22nd 2009

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The powwow called by Mayor Bloomberg to hash out differences between the Port Authority and developer Larry Silverstein over Ground Zero resulted in a plan - button up.

All involved at Thursday's Gracie Mansion summit agreed to impose a news blackout, thrash out differences behind closed doors and meet again June 11 with a framework for a deal.

"Further delay at the World Trade Center is simply not acceptable," the mayor said. "It's intolerable to leave this hole in the ground."

PA Executive Director Chris Ward cautioned that he didn't expect a "fully baked deal" by next month's sitdown, but both he and Silverstein tried to stay positive.
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Talks, talks, talks. They've been talking since 2001.

How 'bout shutting up and getting down to REBUILDING?
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Why is this nation allowing some faceless, grey little small-minded NOBODY like some bureaucratic mole named Ward to decide what the skyline of New York City - America's Face to the World - will look like?

It's just bizarre.
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Old Posted May 22, 2009, 7:55 PM
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It's just bizarre.
Just hold on. Things continue to get more surreal...

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So how did yesterday's big let's-fix-this-World-Trade-Center-thing summit at Gracie Mansion go? The Post reports: "The summit invitees, including Silverstein, Gov. Paterson, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and PA officials, agreed to order their aides to come up with an agreement by the next summit on June 11." So...mission accomplished? A better summary was tweeted by Downtown Express: "WTC parties to meet again 6/11. Amicable meeting w/o mch negotiations. Source: Silverstein briefly entertained the group by playing piano." Please tell us he did a rendition of TLC's "No Scrubs" but changed the lyrics to "No Stumps."
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A preliminary pre-meeting planning meeting.
That just buys them more time to get this resolved in the 3 weeks or so until then. But if nothing gets resolved by then, things will really get ugly. And they haven't been very pretty so far.
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I had a feeling even before the recession about these towers.
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I had a feeling even before the recession about these towers.
The recession is a problem, but the talk that the towers shouldn't be built for a decade or so is the real problem. Even if Silverstein had the money to pay for construction out of his own pockets, there are those who are insisting that there is no demand for new office space today. As if Silverstein will suddenly clap his hands, and these new towers will spring up, ready for business tomorrow.
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World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein will probably be pressed to make more concessions to get the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to guarantee bank loans for two of the three office towers he wants to build where the twin towers stood until the deadly attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

"Private development should be fundamentally backed by private capital," Bloomberg told reporters after hosting a meeting at Gracie Mansion for Silverstein, Democratic Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, as well as the Port Authority and the Democratic governors of New York and New Jersey who run it.

After years of delays due to battles with insurers and clashes over designs and security, the Port Authority missed a deadline for preparing the site for Silverstein. The recession has curbed banks' willingness to lend money for new buildings that lack tenants, as Silverstein's towers largely do.
As a result, the site remains what the mayor, an independent, called "a hole in the ground."

Yet failing to rebuild it could cause the city to miss the next economic boom due to a lack of office space, Bloomberg warned.
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It's a real hideous display. I understand there is much money on the line here, and with the economy what it is currently people don't want to let go. However, this is pure and simply an investment for a boom that can potentially be less than a decade away.
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this is pure and simply an investment for a boom that can potentially be less than a decade away.
Forget about a boom in 10 years, there is virtually no new office space being built in Manhattan now. Sure there are plenty of proposals, and large ones, but none are as ready to rise as these towers are. In less than two years, you will see movement, regardless of whatever happens here.

The problem here is that these towers were planned as spec, and now some people are just having a change of heart. But given the lengthy construction time, Silverstein knows that these towers need to get underway as planned. He just has to get financing in order. For all the talk of government/private financing, this complex has always been a government project. Besides that, I think the government has to share some of the responsibility of responding to the 9/11 attacks by getting this complex rebuilt once and for all.
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Yet failing to rebuild it could cause the city to miss the next economic boom due to a lack of office space, Bloomberg warned.
It's not just the lack of space. To get out of this recession we're going to need innovative startups hiring people, and they can't afford to piss away money on exorbitant rent. Some vacant office space will keep the rents down and allow companies to spend their resources growing their business, not making someone else rich. Or the start-ups will flee the city for an auto-dependent suburb to suffer later when gas goes back to $5 a gallon.

Now developers and banks have every right to make a profit, but to wait years on construction so someone can pocket an extra couple percent simply harms the overall economy and delays recovery.
     
     
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Now developers and banks have every right to make a profit, but to wait years on construction so someone can pocket an extra couple percent simply harms the overall economy and delays recovery.
Bloomberg has to walk very carefully here, because he knows his own plan for developing Manhattan's west side hinges on the development of the millions of square feet of office space now planned there. It's why the city is the force behind the 7 train extension, not the MTA. But it's not just Bloomberg. All of the players in New York real estate know that the demand for new office space will reappear as quickly as it now seems to have vanished. That's always the case in Manhattan. Some very important decisions will have to be made in the next year or so in regards to large leases. The problem at the WTC site is that construction has to start moving now because everything is twisted together. They really can't afford to wait, even for just another year. This is an issue that has to be resolved yesterday.
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Apart from all this office space crap (of course it will eventually get filled) this is truly embarrassing on the national level. Can you imagine China leaving a pit in the ground at the site of such a disaster so many years on.

I always hold back mentioning how slow this construction is because I know all that does is annoy people but seriously this shouldn't have been so difficult.
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this shouldn't have been so difficult.
Well it has been, and there's no sense in trying to make sense something that lacks sense at this point. All we can hope for is some rational tides to turn in the coming weeks with these meetings.

There are too many voices involved, too much politics, that's the real crime in all of this.

In the words of Phil Collins: "Too many people, with too many problems, and not much love to go around. Can't you see this is the land of confusion."
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There are too many voices involved, too much politics, that's the real crime in all of this.
That's exactly right. All they had to do was make a plan and stick with it. All of this back and forth is tiresome at best.
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How much is Bloomberg worth these days? $4 billion? $6 Billion?

He would be the hero in all of this if he'd tell the Port Authority "You step up for tower 2, and I'll handle tower 3" Not a small sum mind you but one he could handle with his fortune. What else is he going to do with it? Really? Problem solved and gets New Yorkers back to work. NOW.

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