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Old Posted Aug 13, 2012, 10:49 PM
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Oh look, One Manhattan West

I would rather have a crown than a thin spire like that for this tower.
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Just someone's idea of fun. I don't think the towers would be quite as large as that, and 432 Park is in the wrong place, but it brings home the concept of what the rezoning will allow, with the taller towers centered around Grand Central.

With all of the new towers planned and going up around town, I think SL Green/Hines will be looking to impress here. This tower has to stand out, even with its perfect location, if partially because the City will demand it.
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Some feel the City's moving too fast (it's planned to be adopted next year), some too slow (but it won't go into effect until 2017 ).



http://observer.com/2012/08/midtown-...superscrapers/
Midtown Slowdown: Councilman Garodnick Asks City to Take Its Time on Rezoning Midtown for Superscrapers



By Matt Chaban
8/21/12

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Easy does it. That is the message from Councilman Dan Garodnick, echoing concerns of two Midtown community boards, that the Bloomberg administration is moving too fast in its plans to rezone Midtown East to allow for taller skyscrapers. The Councilman, who represents the eastern flank of Manhattan, applauded the plan in a letter to Planning Commish Amanda Burden last week shared with The Observer, but he worries to plan is so complex, it needs more time to be considered. The Department of City Planning argues there is enough time to get the job done before the Bloomberg administration is out in a year and a half.

Primarily, Mr. Garodnick wants the scoping session, when the framework is solidified, pushed back six months to March. In the letter, he also criticized plans to release an initial framework in the coming weeks, “before Labor Day—when many New Yorkers are totally disengaged from the political process.” The plan was to have the massive rezoning—both in space and scope—enter public review by the first quarter of next year, but pushing back scoping would likely push that into the summer or fall. The rezoning would almost certainly be approved by the next administration as a result.


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A ‘Towering’ shame: Mike’s Midtown mess

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August 20, 2012

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Manhattan’s premier office district is increasingly obsolete — its buildings frozen in time by half-century-old zoning rules. But Mayor Bloomberg’s plan to finally up-zone the Grand Central area looks less like a fix than a way to set up a piggy bank to pay for future mayors’ “street improvement” follies. The area, full of buildings up to 70 years old, urgently needs larger new ones than current zoning allows. (Except through a review process so arduous it’s only been used once, rules from 1961 don’t permit buildings to be replaced with new ones of even the same size.)

But the city isn’t making it easy for landlords to get rid of the relics. If Bloomberg really wants to kick-start Midtown East rebuilding, all he has to do is say: You can now put up larger structures, period — no strings attached. Instead, he’s forcing developers to cough up big bucks on top of what are already the country’s highest construction costs — chiefly through something called a District Improvement Bonus, proceeds from which will go into a Pandora’s Box to fund future mayors’ political whims. The city wants the dough to remedy such horrible “pedestrian realm challenges” as “narrow sidewalks and bottlenecks in subway stations.” Hello, slush fund?

The rezoning sounds good. In 78 blocks between 39th and 57th streets, new buildings could have up to 60 percent more floor space, depending on the exact location. (The plan is slated for a City Council vote early next year.) But look at the catches:

* It won’t kick in until 2017. If change is as urgently needed as the city claims, why let East Midtown’s lousy buildings rot for five more years? Supposedly, the reason is so their redevelopment won’t conflict with the city’s Hudson Yards dream, but the areas are so different and remote that real-estate insiders say they’re not in competition.

* Although the rezoning is supposed to “streamline” things, the largest new buildings — the ones developers will most want to put up — still must undergo the city’s infamous land-use review procedure, a guarantee of delay and litigation. Maximum-size projects must also undergo micro-scrutiny over design and skyline impact.

* Worst of all, developers must kick back to the city to exercise their “right” to build larger. That’s what the DIB would be for.
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Ugh, far too much political weight is given to anti-development Community Boards in this city.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2012, 1:51 PM
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Ugh, far too much political weight is given to anti-development Community Boards in this city.
I really don't get why people are so afraid of buildings, especially in the core of Manhattan. At some point, a buildng is just a building.
Whether it be 30 or 60, Manhattan will still be Manhattan.


Anyway, a little imagination here, and we will have a stunning addition to the city's legendary skyscrapers...

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(but it won't go into effect until 2017 ).
What makes me laugh is just that . . . Right now is all about preliminary planning and discussion for the city's future - and necessary planning and discussion at that. With economic development being one of the forefronts of politics these days, any politician who aims to take shots at this stage is missing the boat.
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im dying to know the design of this tower and 225 and 57th west
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Right now is all about preliminary planning and discussion for the city's future - and necessary planning and discussion at that. With economic development being one of the forefronts of politics these days, any politician who aims to take shots at this stage is missing the boat.
Bloomberg is gonna push this thing through before he leaves office, one way or another. It will be his administration's "counterweight" to the west side, a way of saying, "hey, we're not dead yet over here". It's long everdue. It will be more costly for developers here though, and the "starchitecture" clause is new, a lasting legacy of the Tower Verre (or Torre Verre). If developers want to build big here, they must build to impress. Again, I think it's good that Hines is in on this. They were the first to shake up Midtown with the Tower Verre proposal. I think it needs a little more shaking.
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The process of rezoning the area has officially begun...
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/env_review/scope.shtml

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Public Scoping Meeting on the East Midtown Rezoning and Related Actions
A public scoping meeting will be held on the East Midtown Rezoning and Related Actions on Thursday, September 27, 2012 in the Manhattan Municipal Building, Mezzanine level, 1 Centre Street, New York, New York, 10007; access through the North Entrance. The meeting will be held in two separate sessions with the first session starting at 2:00PM and the second starting at 6:00PM. Written comments are accepted by the lead agency until the close of business on October 9, 2012.


This site is shown as development site # 4, right where the heart of the action be...









Again, design will have to play a heavy role for any potential tower, in addition to any area improvements...


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Cool, now we know where many of these projects will be. I'm hoping the majority of them are either near or official supertalls.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2012, 4:24 AM
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I'm hoping the majority of them are either near or official supertalls.
I don't think that will be the case. But the skyline will be higher as a result of it.




http://observer.com/2012/08/what-shi...ti-help-build/
What Shining New Tower Might Citi Help Build?


By Matt Chaban
8/30/12


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Citigroup owns some of the most iconic office buildings in the city. Not only is there its headquarters at 601 Lexington, with its jagged roof and gravity-defying base, but also Queens’s tallest tower and a waterfront monolith in Tribeca. As Citi prepares to leave that last home and go in search of some 2.6 million square feet, the Journal reveals that “Citigroup managers had discussions with several landlords about developing a new tower for the company.” While the bankers just as well might stay put at 388 Greenwich, this got us thinking about exactly what on-the-horizon towers Citi could wind up in.

While this is far from a comprehensive list of the commercial development coming to town—and no doubt more will be announced in the years to come—these are the projects that first came to mind. If you think of any good ones we forgot—maybe Solow’s East Side project, or some new towers around Moynihan Station—do let us know in the comments.




3 World Trade Center
The most obvious choice would be 3 World Trade Center. Not only is Larry Silverstein desperate to find an anchor tenant so he can keep building the tower rather than pausing it at eight stories, but he nearly attracted another finance tenant last year when UBS took a serious look at relocating here from Stamford. Plus, it is close to the building Citi is vacating at 388 Greenwich.





2 World Trade Center




5 World Trade Center
Another choice might be 5 World Trade Center, planned for the site of the old Deutsche Bank Building at 130 Liberty Street. At 1.3 million square feet, it is half the size of the space Citi is currently vacating, but since Wall Street has been downsizing in the wake of the financial crisis (of which Citi has been far from immune) this might not be a bad choice.





7 Bryant Park
Turning our attention uptown, we come to Hines’s new project overlooking Bryant Park—and down the block from Bank of America’s New York operations. A striking choice, but also almost certainly too small at 474,000 square feet.





555 West 33rd Street
Still, if the Far West Side somehow appeals to Citi, another possibility for the firm might be Gary Barnett’s competing One Hudson Yards. Again, it’s on the smaller side, at 1.7 million square feet, but it enjoys the advantage over its neighbors of being built on solid ground rather than over the Penn Station rail yards, meaning the project could get underway soon.





Hudson Yards
Hudson Yards seems like a promising option, with a new neighborhood blossoming around you—hello High Line!—and Coach moving in just next door. But buttoned-down bankers are loath to go as far as Eighth Avenue, making 10th seem like a real stretch.





Manhattan West
A little more westerly—Ninth Avenue!—is Brookfield’s Manhattan West project. With more than 3 million available square feet, it could fit the bill, but it also requires decking to build—though wrapping up in the next eight years certainly seems possible.





425 Park Avenue
It is times like these when the mayor’s argument for rezoning Midtown East come to mind. Citi already has space in the area, but good luck finding something comparable. This is why L&L wants to totally remake 425 Park Avenue. The building would only have 625,000 square feet, but the rezoning could boost that by 50 percent. Probably not enough, but it is fun to think about the possibility for other sites, as well ...





51 East 42nd Street
... Like 51 East 42nd Street. SL Green currently owns the building, which it plans to redevelop with Hines into a 1.2-million-square-foot tower. But the Midtown East rezoning has provisions that could possibly double allowable development within the area, not only creating a tower big enough for Citi but one that would also anchor the skyline, not unlike 399 Lexington. Plus, SL Green is already Citi’s tenant downtown, so it might even offer the bank an inside deal.





Court Square
Like the Hearst Tower, Citi’s recent addition in Long Island City can actually accommodate an addition to its base, expanding the size of the tower. But given that the Far West Side is a stretch, as is the size of the building, it seems unlikely the investment banking division would be willing to move to Queens.
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Just found this on flickr... Grand Central Tower (or at least near it)?

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Midtown Megatall Study

A megatall (~2000 ft) tower in Midtown Manhattan.
Not a real proposal, just a hobby study.
Looks pretty nice imho.


Midtown Megatall Study von GaborCs auf Flickr


Midtown Megatall Study von GaborCs auf Flickr
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Looks like a cross between the Freedom Tower and Tower 2, and it's just north of the BofA. No way would anything like that ever be proposed there, but it wasn't done as a serious proposal.
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that does look good, im sure we will get a 2000 foot building in the near future, i have a feeling
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Makes all the other buildings look like midgets.Even the great Chrysler looks insignificant in comparison if height was all you cared about.
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I guess the overshadowing of the Empire State Building is irrelevant now.
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Even the great Chrysler looks insignificant in comparison if height was all you cared about.
Chrysler is a beautiful building and a treasure, and it's pretty tall but still insignificant in height compared to a lot of buildings, and will be moreso in the future.

I mean USA's current tallest make Chrysler building look like a toolshed, let alone larger ones to come.
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The Chrysler Building is iconic in every sense of the word, nearly as much as the ESB itself. Buildings could be twice as tall, and won't have the status of the Chrysler Building. That's why I hope what goes up here will truly live up to "icon" status, giving that portion of the skyline a new symbol for the new century.



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I think Chrysler is extremely overrated, but I really hope the design for this tower won't be too overbearing to make it look like a shed.
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When can that annonymous Hyatt box be redeveloped? It looks pretty bad next to Grand Centrral like that.
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