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Delta Airlines To Offer NON-STOP Service Starting In April


SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- There will soon be a flight that connects the Capital City to the Motor City.
Delta Airlines announced Monday a new nonstop flight that will go from Sacramento International Airport to Detroit Metro Airport.
The service, which begins April 7, will be offered five days a week until summer, when they will become daily.
Detroit is a key connection for the Sacramento region due to its strength in the technology and transportation sectors.
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The more non-stop flights we have to big eastern hubs the more options we have to Europe or other cities in the USA, not to mention those wanting to go to directly to the Detroit area without having to transfer at some other hub.

I think Miami, Boston, and Newark(big hub) are the only big destinations in which SMF lacks non-stops. Several medium size mid-western and southern cities lack non-stops from SMF as well (St. Louis, Kansas City, Cleveland, Cincy, Columbus, Memphis, Nashville, Pitts, BWI(Baltimore-Washington).......correct me if I'm wrong.

Of course, for many years, SMF has had service to just about anywhere in USA through our nations biggest hubs but it's always much easier to fly non-stop direct.
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..."scientific" theories such as "global warming" and "climate change" is also unreasonable. I will continue to post proofs on here, you guys can continue to stay in denial, but as the news continues to show, more people are coming back to reality.
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Scientists Retract Paper on Rising Sea Levels Due to Errors

Scientists have been forced to retract a paper that claimed sea level were rising thanks to the effects of global warming, after mistakes were discovered that undermined the results.

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In a NASA "what-if" animation, light-blue areas in southern Florida and Louisiana indicate regions that may be underwater should sea levels rise dramatically -- which may not be as likely as scientists once thought.

Scientists have been forced to retract a paper that claimed sea level were rising thanks to the effects of global warming, after mistakes were discovered that undermined the results.

The study was published in Nature Geoscience and predicted that sea levels would rise by as much as 2.7 feet by the end of the twenty-first century.

The paper also highlighted that it reinforced the conclusions of the U.N.'s controversial Fourth Assessment report, which warned of the dangerous of man-made climate change.

However, mistakes in time intervals and inaccurately applied statistics have forced the authors to retract their paper -- the first official retraction ever for the three-year-old journal, notes the Guardian. In an officially published retraction of their paper, the authors acknowledged these mistakes as factors that compromised the results.

"We no longer have confidence in our projections for the twentieth and twenty-first centuries, and for this reason the authors retract the results pertaining to sea-level rise after 1900," wrote authors Mark Siddall, Thomas Stocker and Peter Clark.

Since the leak of e-mails from the U.K.'s top global warming scientists in early December, many other errors and sloppy mistakes have been uncovered in leading report by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Flaws in weather stations have led some to question claims of rising temperatures, sloppy math led to holes in postulates that the Himalayas were rapidly melting and fears of a man-made food shortage in Africa seem unsubstantiated as well.

Announcing the formal retraction of the paper from the journal, Siddall told the Guardian,, "It's one of those things that happens. People make mistakes and mistakes happen in science." A formal retraction was required, rather than a correction, because the errors undermined the study's conclusion.

"Retraction is a regular part of the publication process," he said. "Science is a complicated game and there are set procedures in place that act as checks and balances."

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Rising Sea Level Claims Retracted

A 2009 claim that sea levels would rise up to 32 inches by the end of the century, is being retracted, as the original report’s author says the real estimate is still not known.

Scientists have discovered mistakes that undermine the projected sea level increase that would be affected by global warming. The study, published in the journal Nature Geoscience, confirmed the conclusions of a 2007 report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The 2009 study collected data from the previous 22,000 years to predict that sea levels would rise by between 3 and 33 inches by the year 2100.

The IPCC said their estimates placed the sea level to rise to be between 7 and 23 inches, but stressed this was based on incomplete information and that the true rise in sea levels could be even higher.

Scientists have criticized the IPCC for being too conservative in their approach. Several papers have been published suggesting that the sea could rise even more. Martin Vermeer of the Helsinki University of Technology, Finland and Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany published a paper in December that predicted a rise of up to 75 inches by the end of the century.

Announcing the formal retraction of the paper from the journal, Mark Siddall, from the Earth Sciences Department at the University of Bristol, said: “It's one of those things that happens. People make mistakes and mistakes happen in science.” There are two separate mistakes in the paper, which were pointed out by scientists after it had been published. A formal retraction was required, rather than a correction, because the errors undermined the conclusion of the study.

“Science is a complicated game and there are set procedures in place that act as checks and balances,” Siddall told the Guardian, adding that retraction is a regular part of the whole publishing process.

It was the first retraction from the Nature Geoscience journal since it was first published in 2007, said publisher Nature Publishing Group.

The paper used fossil coral data and temperature records taken from ice-core measurements to reconstruct how the sea levels have changed with temperature since the last ice age. The paper also projected how much it could rise with the warming conditions over the several decades. However, the mistakes caused a huge impact on the reliability of the estimates. Authors of the paper said they can no longer draw a sturdy conclusion regarding sea levels in the next 90 years without further research.

The mistakes that undermined the study were miscalculation and not allowing fully for temperature changes over the past 2,000 years. “Because of these issues we have retracted the paper and will now invest in the further work needed to correct these mistakes,” the authors said.

Vermeer and Rahmstorf are thanked for bringing to light the issues and errors regarding the paper on rising sea levels, Said Siddall and his colleagues in the Nature Geoscience retraction.

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New Climate Agency Head Tried to Suppress Data, Critics Charge

By Ed Barnes

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Thomas Karl, the head of Obama's new Climate Change office has been criticized for trying to suppress contradictory scientific data on climate change.


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Thomas Karl, the newly appointed head of the National Climatic Data Center.

The scientist who has been put in charge of the Commerce Department's new climate change office is coming under attack from both sides of the global warming debate over his handling of what they say is contradictory scientific data related to the subject.

Thomas Karl, 58, was appointed to oversee the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) National Climatic Data Center, an ambitious new office that will collect climate change data and disseminate it to businesses and communities.

According to Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, the office will "help tackle head-on the challenges of mitigating and adapting to climate change. In the process, we'll discover new technologies, build new businesses and create new jobs."

Karl, who has played a pivotal role in key climate decisions over the past decade, has kept a low profile as director of National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) since 1998, and he has led all of the NOAA climate services since 2009. His name surfaced numerous times in leaked "climate-gate" e-mails from the University of East Anglia, but there was little in the e-mails that tied him to playing politics with climate data. Mostly, the e-mails show he was in the center of the politics of climate change decisions

According to a school biography published by Northern Illinois University, Karl shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore and other leading scientists based on his work at the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and he was "one of the 10 most influential researchers of the 1990s who have formed or changed the course of research in a given area."
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His appointment was hailed by both the Sierra Club and Duke Energy Company of North Carolina. Sierra Club President Carl Pope said, "As polluters and their allies continue to try to muddy the waters around climate science, the Climate Service will provide easy, direct access to the valuable scientific research undertaken by government scientists and others." And Duke Energy CEO Jin Rogers said the new office, under Karl, will "spark the consensus we need to move forward."

But Roger Pielke Sr., a climatologist affiliated with the University of Colorado who has crossed horns with Karl in the past, says his appointment was a mistake. He accused Karl of suppressing data he submitted for the IPCC's most recent report on climate change and having a very narrow view of its causes.

The IPCC is charged with reviewing scientific data on climate change and providing policy makers and others with an assessment of current knowledge.

Pielke said he agrees that global warming is happening and that man plays a significant role in it, but he said there are many factors in addition to the release of carbon into the atmosphere that need to be studied to fully understand the phenomenon. He said he resigned from the IPCC in August 2005 because his data, and the work of numerous other scientists, were not included in its most recent report.

In his resignation letter, Pielke wrote that he had completed the assessment of current knowledge for his chapter of the report, when Karl abruptly took control of the final draft. He said the chapter he had nearly completed was then rewritten with a too-narrow focus.

One of the key areas of dispute, he said, was in describing "recent regional trends in surface and tropospheric temperatures," and the impact of land use on temperatures. It is the interpretation of this data on which the intellectual basis of the idea of global warming hangs.

In an interview, Pielke reiterated that Karl "has actively opposed views different from his own." And on his Web site last week, he said Karl's appointment "assures that policy makers will continue to receive an inappropriately narrow view of our actual knowledge with respect to climate science."

He said the people who run the agencies in charge of climate monitoring are too narrowly focused, and he worries that the creation of the new office "would give the same small group of people the chance to speak on the issue and exclude others" whose views might diverge from theirs.

Responding to the criticism, Karl told the Washington Post, "the literature doesn't show [Pielke's] ideas about the importance of land use are correct."

Calls to The Commerce Department and to Karl's office went unanswered.

The IPCC in recent weeks has come under severe criticism after e-mails, hacked from a prestigious climate center, revealed some of the political infighting that occurred as its assessments were being put together and called into question its impartiality.

Climate change skeptics, meanwhile, say Karl's appointment was unnecessary and pulls scarce resources from more pressing needs.

"The unconstitutional global warming office and its new Web site climate.gov would be charged with propagandizing Americans with eco-alarmism," wrote Alex Newman of the Liberty Sentinel of Gainesville, Fla.

On the popular skeptic site "Watts Up With That," Anthony Watts called the climate.gov site a "waste of more taxpayer money" and charged that it is nothing more than a "fast track press release service." He wrote that putting Karl in charge was an issue, because he had fabricated photos of "floods that didn't happen" in an earlier NOAA report.


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I've met Dave and trust me, he believes in Climate change sorry. You can say all you want about the polar caps bla bla. But the bottom line is that our current and future depend on science that will take us away from our polluting industrial past. Do you read? http://www.sacbreathe.com/localstudies.htm

The report on sea level was pulled, that means only further study with sounder findings. This happens all the time. Your argument about climate change against every other none refutable study is about as sound as telling religious people there is no god because there are roughly .05% hermaphrodites born per 1000 births. Why not shoot for 100% in his image? He must be slipping in his old age.
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You say this "everyone no matter what physical characteristics they have are equal in God's eyes," which is why trying to argue against god with a believer will always end in a fallacy argument (for the none believer)like the example I gave. Think you missed it or played right into it.

On an individual level, its not about being conned or duped, its about a political background when it comes to the environment period. I hear the military has fallen under the spell though. Also, though you flesh out Tom Karl with your superb news source of media inflation, I think you'd like Pielke even less. He believes the human use of the land has an astounding effect on climate change. He is against floodplain and suburban sprawl and in particular Roseville. So while Karl will take away the SUV, Pielke will turn the beige stucco track home into a field with cute little bunnies and egrets.
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Delta Airlines To Offer NON-STOP Service Starting In April


SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- There will soon be a flight that connects the Capital City to the Motor City.
Delta Airlines announced Monday a new nonstop flight that will go from Sacramento International Airport to Detroit Metro Airport.
The service, which begins April 7, will be offered five days a week until summer, when they will become daily.
Detroit is a key connection for the Sacramento region due to its strength in the technology and transportation sectors.
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The more non-stop flights we have to big eastern hubs the more options we have to Europe or other cities in the USA, not to mention those wanting to go to directly to the Detroit area without having to transfer at some other hub.

I think Miami, Boston, and Newark(big hub) are the only big destinations in which SMF lacks non-stops. Several medium size mid-western and southern cities lack non-stops from SMF as well (St. Louis, Kansas City, Cleveland, Cincy, Columbus, Memphis, Nashville, Pitts, BWI(Baltimore-Washington).......correct me if I'm wrong.

Of course, for many years, SMF has had service to just about anywhere in USA through our nations biggest hubs but it's always much easier to fly non-stop direct.

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So what? Get rid of transit entirely? Busses & light rail or just light rail? What would you like to see? Maybe you should consider a move to Colorado Springs, that seems to be turning into a city that will jive with those with a more libertarian bent...
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Reason and common sense based on reality is all I am asking for. Studies continue to prove that trains and light rail are not practical. Basing support for trains and LR on false "scientific" theories such as "global warming" and "climate change" is also unreasonable. I will continue to post proofs on here, you guys can continue to stay in denial, but as the news continues to show, more people are coming back to reality. So Colorado Springs is out of the question right now, but I would like to make Sacramento how I and many others want to make it. Too bad you can't take other people's opposing view points very well and react by just telling them to move somewhere else. That's kind of like telling people who speak Spanish to move somewhere else because you don't like to hear it..
Can you answer my question? I'm not tying mass transit with our current environmental issues, you are. I can take opposing viewpoints quite well, it comes with being open minded. I'm trying to get a sense of what your ideal transportation system would be, all you've been able to do is try and shit in everybody's cereal. You say you're trying to make Sac how you and others want, how is that? It is quite easy to say no to things, harder to be constructive.

Should we have light rail at all? Busses? How much, should they run for four hours a day or 24? If busses or rail cannot turn a profit should we get rid of them? Should we pave more highway lanes for people to ease congestion?

Have a discussion, not a temper tantrum.
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Can you answer my question? I'm not tying mass transit with our current environmental issues, you are. I can take opposing viewpoints quite well, it comes with being open minded. I'm trying to get a sense of what your ideal transportation system would be, all you've been able to do is try and shit in everybody's cereal. You say you're trying to make Sac how you and others want, how is that? It is quite easy to say no to things, harder to be constructive.

Should we have light rail at all? Busses? How much, should they run for four hours a day or 24? If busses or rail cannot turn a profit should we get rid of them? Should we pave more highway lanes for people to ease congestion?

Have a discussion, not a temper tantrum.
Nice try on the temper tantrum
OK, what would I like to see and want? More Highways, more Lanes, more parking structures Downtown. I would like to also see market forces dictate prices of transportation, or a vote for every subsidy, every tax dollar taken from people, should be voted on. If that takes too long, then so be it. Everyone has a car, will have a car and should have a car. If you want to, live close to your work and walk to it or bike. Alternatives to cars: An improved bicycle system would also be acceptable along with the car system. Designers of the bicycle system should not have it as part of the car system, bike lanes by roads is inefficient and ludicrous and dangerous for bicyclists. Trains are just impracticable for short distances, but if we can get a fully privatized or mostly privatized speed train system to compete, actually compete against the airline industry you would see improvements in the airline industry and have an alternative.
Fancy street cars, short trip trains, and expensive high density is unsustainable, it creates too much debt. The only reason high density is expensive is because of Gov. Bureaucracies, Environmental laws, Unions, and Corruption that plagues Local, State and Fed agencies. More private roads should also be allowed, we have the technology to charge a person just by scanning his/her license plate, put that in action instead of charging everyone a tax that is 80% wasted on lawyers and Bureaucratic Phonies who call themselves city analysts.
Last but not least, if you can read, you would see that I am not shitting on peoples cereal, as witty as you may think that was. I am providing proof and facts that the non-market driven urban "movement" will bankrupt us even more, and you will not end up with the green utopia that your college professors who never worked a real job in their lives painted inside your head. What you will end up with is something very much third world...
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Last but not least, if you can read, you would see that I am not shitting on peoples cereal, as witty as you may think that was. I am providing proof and facts that the non-market driven urban "movement" will bankrupt us even more, and you will not end up with the green utopia that your college professors who never worked a real job in their lives painted inside your head. What you will end up with is something very much third world...
I hope Sacramento's public transportation becomes as good as the systems they have in the "third world"! Man I was in Guadalajara and it was so easy to get around there. I hope you're right GOE, then we won't have to all own cars like you say! Such a totalitarian thing to say that we all do, will, and should own them.
And did you really just quote Fox News?
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I hope Sacramento's public transportation becomes as good as the systems they have in the "third world"! Man I was in Guadalajara and it was so easy to get around there. I hope you're right GOE, then we won't have to all own cars like you say! Such a totalitarian thing to say that we all do, will, and should own them.
And did you really just quote Fox News?
What is Totalitarian is forcing people against their will to pay for projects they do not want or ever want to use. To allow no freeways being built since the early 1960's in hopes the situation gets so bad that many are forced to use public transit. Yes, I really quoted Fox news, the most watched news in the world, thank God. I would also vote for Sarah Palin for President, does that scare you even more? Can't wait for the witty comment on that, since you have no substance to debate any of the information I have posted, just sad attempts to disregard any proof and truths that was posted.
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I would also vote for Sarah Palin for President, does that scare you even more?
Ok seriously, can you tell me exactly why you would vote for Sarah Palin? What about her policy and personally wise do you like?

Sorry, but anybody who would vote for Sarah Palin as POTUS leads me to question if they are retarded. Yes, I said the "R" word, and Palin can cry more about it.
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wow all gov is bad but all corps are perfect? there is a need to have some regulation in this world or this country would be full of buildings which fall down in 15 mph winds....cuz the contractor cut all corners to help the owner buy a new yacht......

look at the savings and loans when they were deregulated(bush brothers)
look at the banking look at almost everything else where complete dereg happened....

hell look at the electricity crisis in CA around 2000.....by completely dereg under willson the entire system was mani[pulated by enron etc and the price skyrockted in 6 hrs because no one was there to stop it......at least now there is a quasi regulatory agency involved.......

toll roads in So Cal......total ripoffs a few big contractors built inferior roads set up a dummy corp to collect tolls then paniced and sold it to Orange county for millllllions......

Sarah Palin is what 6th in the straw poll from the conservatives last week.....she has 0% chance....her 10% chance disappeared when she quit the gov of alaska cuz the heat was on......
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OK, what would I like to see and want? More Highways, more Lanes, more parking structures Downtown.
But only if they turn a profit right?

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I would like to also see market forces dictate prices of transportation, or a vote for every subsidy, every tax dollar taken from people, should be voted on. If that takes too long, then so be it.
I agree with the need of government and tax revenues in general being more transparent, with input from the citizen population. Too many of our tax dollars go to corporate/other giveaways (mermaid bar anyone?). I disagree with market forces dictating transportation. There are roads that travel through scarcely populated areas that need to exist but would not if they were left to market forces.

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Everyone has a car, will have a car and should have a car. If you want to, live close to your work and walk to it or bike.
What does this even mean? How is this based in reality? What if your job is in Manhattan and you can only afford Brooklyn prices? Too bad? Or are you assuming that magically everyone will be able to afford a car?

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Alternatives to cars: An improved bicycle system would also be acceptable along with the car system.
But only if it's profitable right? Will a private company put up the funds for the system, will the city issue a bond? What happens if less people use the system than thought and the fees you charge people to bike won't cover costs?

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Fancy street cars, short trip trains, and expensive high density is unsustainable, it creates too much debt.
I would rather see many things done with my tax money before whitewashed transit is put in (Seattle Lake Union streetcar off top of my head). I favor natural densification (not a word) as well.

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The only reason high density is expensive is because of Gov. Bureaucracies, Environmental laws, Unions, and Corruption that plagues Local, State and Fed agencies. More private roads should also be allowed, we have the technology to charge a person just by scanning his/her license plate, put that in action instead of charging everyone a tax that is 80% wasted on lawyers and Bureaucratic Phonies who call themselves city analysts.
I can’t quite grasp at what you’re saying, so I’ll try to respond to the two things I see. One is I agree with the need to trimming waste in our gov’t agencies. No one (sane) wants their tax dollars going to people who serve no purpose and collect huge pensions that we pay for, no one wants corruption, no one wants unnecessary red tape. To suggest that people are ok with that is fallacious, obviously.

Two is private roads being allowed. I wasn’t aware that they weren’t, so fill me in if that’s the case. And again, you run into the issue of roads that are publicly necessary but do not carry enough population through them to finance themselves through tolls.

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I am providing proof and facts that the non-market driven urban "movement" will bankrupt us even more, and you will not end up with the green utopia that your college professors who never worked a real job in their lives painted inside your head.
I’m an econ grad just like you I assume (probably at a higher tax bracket as well), and I learned very little from my formal education relative to real world, private sector jobs, so please take that reactionary bullshit out of this discussion.

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What you will end up with is something very much third world...
Let’s see: No bus system, no Amtrak, no light rail, everyone needs to either be able to afford a car or be able to afford to live near their job, we have only highways that have to be profitable and charge me fees every time I use them. Yup.
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I’m an econ grad just like you I assume (probably at a higher tax bracket as well), and I learned very little from my formal education relative to real world, private sector jobs, so please take that reactionary bullshit out of this discussion.
Reactionary Bullshit? You mean like all your previous posts to mine? I am glad you think your in a higher tax bracket than I, I hope you make as much as you want, and I hope the Gov keeps its hands off of it. Good for you! So, your responses are somewhat logical, but no facts or data, as an "Econner", can I see any kind of data in defense of your responses?
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Nice try on the temper tantrum
OK, what would I like to see and want? More Highways, more Lanes, more parking structures Downtown. I would like to also see market forces dictate prices of transportation, or a vote for every subsidy, every tax dollar taken from people, should be voted on. If that takes too long, then so be it. Everyone has a car, will have a car and should have a car. If you want to, live close to your work and walk to it or bike. Alternatives to cars: An improved bicycle system would also be acceptable along with the car system. Designers of the bicycle system should not have it as part of the car system, bike lanes by roads is inefficient and ludicrous and dangerous for bicyclists. Trains are just impracticable for short distances, but if we can get a fully privatized or mostly privatized speed train system to compete, actually compete against the airline industry you would see improvements in the airline industry and have an alternative.
Fancy street cars, short trip trains, and expensive high density is unsustainable, it creates too much debt. The only reason high density is expensive is because of Gov. Bureaucracies, Environmental laws, Unions, and Corruption that plagues Local, State and Fed agencies. More private roads should also be allowed, we have the technology to charge a person just by scanning his/her license plate, put that in action instead of charging everyone a tax that is 80% wasted on lawyers and Bureaucratic Phonies who call themselves city analysts.
Last but not least, if you can read, you would see that I am not shitting on peoples cereal, as witty as you may think that was. I am providing proof and facts that the non-market driven urban "movement" will bankrupt us even more, and you will not end up with the green utopia that your college professors who never worked a real job in their lives painted inside your head. What you will end up with is something very much third world...
You've clearly stepped into the wrong online community. If this is your worldview, there is going to be nothing constructive for you to offer here, which is generally the purpose of membership from our perspective as operators of the site. It will be all arguments (as it has been, which is why I have been alerted to your presence), and you will quickly find yourself banned for being disruptive. You may want to consider leaving while it's still on your terms.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2010, 8:12 AM
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And now that that page has been turned, it's time to return this thread to its topic, which is the discussion of transportation planning and development in the Sacramento area.

Further off-topic posts will be deleted and the offending member will face disciplinary action.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2010, 9:13 AM
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You've clearly stepped into the wrong online community. If this is your worldview, there is going to be nothing constructive for you to offer here, which is generally the purpose of membership from our perspective as operators of the site. It will be all arguments (as it has been, which is why I have been alerted to your presence), and you will quickly find yourself banned for being disruptive. You may want to consider leaving while it's still on your terms.
Off Topic Discussions, I am replying to the questions that are posted against me when I post reliable data and studies. I have seen anti-religious, hate speech, and racist comments all throughout these forums, and not a peep out of any of you admins. Yet, I disagree and post data against the New Urban Movement and you call me an Offender? I do not swear, nor call anybody terrible names on here either, I take it from other forum users and never complain, but once I defend data and studies against the urban movement I become an offender. The "My Terms" threat from you has been documented. All of this has been documented. You want to kick me off, suppress free speech, free thought, you may have the power to do so on this forum, but what you are really doing is suppressing information.

Bye Everyone, it has been fun. I am sure the Admins will now kick me off.

PS: WBURG, You are very smart and passionate about your beliefs, I may disagree, but your passion is very admirable, as well as many others. Too bad people don't understand the first amendment anymore.
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i definitely do not agree with Econgrad on any of his philosophies but i have to admit that i do agree (to a small extent) on a few of his points. the system we currently have does not really support the type of "urban utopia" we desire. portland is often the poster child for smart urbanism, smart growth and sustainability yet it doesnt work as well as we all would like to believe economically. yet, in regards to livability it is absolutely wonderful--the light rail there for its size of city is a great thing to have and i rarely drove which was pleasant. the ideas most of us support on this site need to be supported for a variety of reasons ranging from quality of life to sustainability but lets not completely disregard the economics he brings up. the system needs to change and the perception of general society needs to change before anything longterm can be achieved. anyhow, i think i am just ranting without much eloquence...
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Does this mean you will be back as the ghost of the ghost of Econgrad? Otherwise bro keep up the car-centric fight in Roseville.

I also wonder how this current argument is any worse than others that have been on here. We live in Sacramento, this (arguing and being un-constructive) is what we do. He is passionate about his belief system like anybody. I have not personally witnessed any serious harassment or slandering that was not without humor or sarcasm.
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