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Old Posted Mar 6, 2012, 10:06 PM
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So do they plan to keep the outer layer, remove the outer layer and make it look like 4 times square, or keep the outer layer just make it thinner?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2012, 10:08 PM
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So do they plan to keep the outer layer, remove the outer layer and make it look like 4 times square, or keep the outer layer just make it thinner?
I don't really know much about masts. Since I am only studying structures I haven't study masts yet so I don't really know.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2012, 10:21 PM
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I just now made an attempt to call Durst Organization and ask them questions for you guys (and of course for my eager self) about the new antenna proposal.
I called and a woman answered and I told her I would like to "ask a few questions regarding the antenna on 1WTC."

- She said "Okay. One moment" and transferred me to Tom Bow, who didn't answer. So I left him a voice message and I am hope he returns my call.

If anyone out there would like to try to get a hold of someone at the organization, call 212-257-6600.

I'll let you guys know ASAP if I hear anything back.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2012, 10:46 PM
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I can't believe this is happening. This is symbolism, not commercialism.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2012, 10:53 PM
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The spire as originally designed was supposed to be an open structure. The radome was supposedly added so the antenna wouldn't be exposed to the elements, making for easier maintenance. Now people at Durst are saying the exact opposite.













The redesign was an improvement, various faces below...














The most important aspect of this tower, from the time of its conception, has been the spire. It's not some added on afterthought, as was the original WTC antenna. It's an important feature, and should be treated as such. Hopefully, whatever revisions are made will be based on that.




http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/03/...nna-for-1-wtc/
Durst, PA plan broadcast antenna for 1 WTC


Thomas Bow, senior vice president at Durst

March 06, 2012


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The antenna would be located inside a slimmer, less conical spire than initially planned that would save $20 million but drew criticism from the project’s architects, Skidmore Owings & Merrill. Durst would fund $27 million in infrastructure and buildout costs to help land the tenants.



http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_c...=Cell%20Towers
Dominating Manhattan's skyline, country's largest radome will be 408 feet, but is years away

February 1, 2008

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After further review, Childs now says that those ideas, which exposed the actual antenna to the air, were impractical. He said that the more open designs would cause the potential for ice to accumulate and fall to Manhattan streets and make the mast impossible to maintain at such a height. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the $2.9 billion Freedom Tower, and architects Skidmore Owings & Merrill have come to an agreement upon what the antenna will look like. The mast will constitute the project's top 408 feet. The current design, pictured above, done in consultation with sculptor Ken Snelson, shrouds the antenna in a radome that is invisible to the broadcast signals that easily transmit through it.

In an industry whose ego feeds off of superlatives, some observers believe that the Freedom Tower's radome will be the tallest in the world, surpassing the CN Tower in Toronto, Canada.


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Old Posted Mar 6, 2012, 11:25 PM
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i am pretty hopeful that 1wtc antenna will have a casing over it it will just be a little thinner and probably be made of a cheaper material.
     
     
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all this fuss over nothing, really guys just wait...and see what happens.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2012, 11:41 PM
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I wouldn't call it a nothing. As mentioned, the spire is the most prominent feature of this tower, in fact, of the master plan itself. This tower has been consistently redesigned - from head to toe. It may be true that the final result has to be seen, and judgment can be based on that. However, we've already seen enough information to form judgment: the spire will be a "thinner" and open structure. A less prominent spire is the opposite of the way we should be going here. Let's just hope it's not completely ruined.



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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 12:01 AM
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In all the articles, it says "would be exposed..." this isn't even confirmed so no need to freak out..whoops
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 12:03 AM
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Yeah, I guess we need to wait for official word, but if it aint broke, don't fix it, and the spire in its current design just works for the overall style of the building, so they need to leave it alone.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 12:13 AM
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the spire in its current design just works for the overall style of the building, so they need to leave it alone.
It does, and they should...









We'll see. The building is close to topping off, so we're at the point where renderings are likely ready to be "leaked".
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It does, and they should...









We'll see. The building is close to topping off, so we're at the point where renderings are likely ready to be "leaked".
I agree NYGUY!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 1:50 AM
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This is definetly not a cost issue, the revenue generated by the broadcast facilities in two years could cover the construction costs of the current radome design; I rather prefer seeing an exposed antenna for two years than seeing a cheaper, thinner, uglier and most importantly permanent enclosure that either way will be printed in New York's culture. I encourage you people to contact Durst by emailing (info@durst.org) or making a call to 212.257.6600; the more request they get, the bigger the chance their brains could start to work.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 1:59 AM
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Shouldn't Childs have the most say in what they do with the spire since HE's the architect?
     
     
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Shouldn't Childs have the most say in what they do with the spire since HE's the architect?
The owner(s) of the building have the most say, not the architect.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 2:30 AM
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I hope to all that exists that the spire's redesign is rejected. I've had a lot of hope for this tower and this bullcrap is too hard to handle. I swear,I haven't been this mad about this project since they canceled the restaurant and outdoor observation deck. Sometimes, like Zapatan, I feel as though the U.S. government should have been funding the rebuilding of the WTC ever since, because quite obviously smallass private companies and bi-state institutions can't do any shit right. Sorry to curse,but I'm pissed. Every potential this tower had before has been abused for the sake of saving money. I'm about to lose hope for this city and this economy.
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I hope to all that exists that the spire's redesign is rejected. I've had a lot of hope for this tower and this bullcrap is too hard to handle. I swear,I haven't been this mad about this project since they canceled the restaurant and outdoor observation deck. Sometimes, like Zapatan, I feel as though the U.S. government should have been funding the rebuilding of the WTC ever since, because quite obviously smallass private companies and bi-state institutions can't do any shit right. Sorry to curse,but I'm pissed. Every potential this tower had before has been abused for the sake of saving money. I'm about to lose hope for this city and this economy.
Tell me about it! They just KEEP ON downgrading her. First, it was the restaurant. Next, it was the outdoor observation deck. Now, it's probably going to be a downgrade of the spire. What's next? NO OBSERVATION DECK AT ALL? HEIGHT REDUCED?

You're not the only one furious over this. I am like obsessed with the whole WTC project and they just keep on ruining it over and over. People and developers in say of this need to understand that this IS NOT JUST ANY OTHER BUILDING. This is the World Trade Center we're dealing with. This is the new face of America.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 2:47 AM
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I am certain that Minoru Yamasaki if he was alive today would be extremely upset with the designs and the work of the current World Trade Center. It's so slow, inefficient, and every corner is being cut.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 2:56 AM
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These selfish greedy people don't seem to understand that One WTC is much more than just another building to profit from, it is both a landmark and memorial that everyone in and around New York will be forced to look at for hopefully a very long time. I say we call/e-mail these people and hope the humans inside them hear. It will be a disgraceful sad disappointing infuriating shame if that spire/antenna does not look half decent when its built. This is not about the aesthetics of the spire as much as it is about the selfishness of an elite few that has allowed this project to be run into the ground.
     
     
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I am certain that Minoru Yamasaki if he was alive today would be extremely upset with the designs and the work of the current World Trade Center. It's so slow, inefficient, and every corner is being cut.
Yea, nothing like that ever happened with his WTC design.
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