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Old Posted Apr 29, 2012, 2:36 AM
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I agree. I think the US should have more personality and flavor like Canada. It must be tortuous for Canadians and Europeans to travel to LA, SF, Las Vegas, NYC, Florida, etc. and spend time around so many unhappy people.
Great point!.. dont forget about other places such as Hawaii, Portland, San Diego, DC, Boston, Chicago, New Orleans, Austin, the Florida Keys..and so on!
For one country, the US certainly has a great variety of wonderful cities and exciting areas. I'm thankful to live here, however, I love to travel and I fully appreciate what every country has to offer!..

However, to insinuate that Canada harbors some urban sophistication or flavor not found in the US is hysterical!..

Dont get me wrong, I have a great time when I visit our neighbor to the north. I LOVE Vancouver and Montreal in particular. Toronto is an exciting city as well.. but!.. overall Canada simply does not have the urban choices or climatic diversity found in the US! There is simply more to offer here!

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I agree. I think the US should have more personality and flavor like Canada. It must be tortuous for Canadians and Europeans to travel to LA, SF, Las Vegas, NYC, Florida, etc. and spend time around so many unhappy people.
Am I the only person reading this who thinks it might have been written in a somewhat ironic and tongue in cheek manner. I guess I am not surprised that the Canadians kind of missed this, which was possibly the point of the post.
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Am I the only person reading this who thinks it might have been written in a somewhat ironic and tongue in cheek manner. I guess I am not surprised that the Canadians kind of missed this, which was possibly the point of the post.
Yes, I'm quite sure it is sarcasm.
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2012, 10:37 PM
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Because even though Obamao is turning my country into fucking commie pinko socialist welfare state, the good ol' USA doesn't have as many fucking commie pinko socialist welfare wimps as Europe.

Later dudes, I'm drivin' the truck up to Applebees for some fine dinin'!
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Because even though Obamao is turning my country into fucking commie pinko socialist welfare state, the good ol' USA doesn't have as many fucking commie pinko socialist welfare wimps as Europe.

Later dudes, I'm drivin' the truck up to Applebees for some fine dinin'!
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The average European is not spending E 20 for lunch on the Champs-Elysees or Gran Via. He is considerably limited in disposable income and is likely sitting in a smallish apartment wishing he could get a McDonald's or KFC, but will ultimately settle for a slice of cheese pizza.


Funny stuff mate, now do North America..



Seriously it's kinda frightening that there are actually people in the US who think fastfood chains is a sign of status around the world - I get that US wages are so low and with so long working days that people have no spare-time or funds to cook properly, especially since the low income drive people to reside hours away from their city center.. but that "burger culture" is one of the US and one that people in the US grew up with.. not people abroad.. if you want to use US icons don't use a burger selling clown or ghostly chicken salesman responsible for great obesity problems, use Apple a company doing it's thing so well it has more money than your Government has!

As the French worker with his 35h work week enjoys one of his 6 weeks of paid vacation and make the national average of $43.278 ( for comparison it's $28,567 for the US ) he might not be able to both go on his family trip to Spain AND buy the new iMac that week - but I can assure you that if he wanted to be obese and eat US fast-food that it would be well within his financial reach..



Anywhoo just a bit of advice Pesto.. the European subcontinent consists of 50 nations.. the North American continent of 23.. if you want to point something out you need to a tad more specific than saying "European"..
I'm sure that you would agree that Haiti's conditions doesn't reflect your way of living ( just as Croatia doesn't mine ).. so be a tad more specific - plenty of poor nations to pick from here where even a US resident would seem fairly wealthy..
Just keep in mind that just as you view some places so do others view yours.. and just as puzzled you might be that Romanian workers accept their conditions just as puzzled are some that US workers accept theirs..

The world is a big place - wealth, living standards and disposable income are very relative to the various nations in it - and quite honestly despite what you might have been brought up with the US is not a shining beacon with it's low wages, millions of poor and inequality.. if you have traveled a bit as I expect you have you already know this, making your post either an attempt at comedy or a provocation, if not that I suggest you stay inside your borders as the world around you will probable disappoint you a bit when you see it doesn't live up to the stereotypical view..
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Funny stuff mate, now do North America..



Seriously it's kinda frightening that there are actually people in the US who think fastfood chains is a sign of status around the world - I get that US wages are so low and with so long working days that people have no spare-time or funds to cook properly, especially since the low income drive people to reside hours away from their city center.. but that "burger culture" is one of the US and one that people in the US grew up with.. not people abroad.. if you want to use US icons don't use a burger selling clown or ghostly chicken salesman responsible for great obesity problems, use Apple a company doing it's thing so well it has more money than your Government has!

As the French worker with his 35h work week enjoys one of his 6 weeks of paid vacation and make the national average of $43.278 ( for comparison it's $28,567 for the US ) he might not be able to both go on his family trip to Spain AND buy the new iMac that week - but I can assure you that if he wanted to be obese and eat US fast-food that it would be well within his financial reach..



Anywhoo just a bit of advice Pesto.. the European subcontinent consists of 50 nations.. the North American continent of 23.. if you want to point something out you need to a tad more specific than saying "European"..
I'm sure that you would agree that Haiti's conditions doesn't reflect your way of living ( just as Croatia doesn't mine ).. so be a tad more specific - plenty of poor nations to pick from here where even a US resident would seem fairly wealthy..
Just keep in mind that just as you view some places so do others view yours.. and just as puzzled you might be that Romanian workers accept their conditions just as puzzled are some that US workers accept theirs..

The world is a big place - wealth, living standards and disposable income are very relative to the various nations in it - and quite honestly despite what you might have been brought up with the US is not a shining beacon with it's low wages, millions of poor and inequality.. if you have traveled a bit as I expect you have you already know this, making your post either an attempt at comedy or a provocation, if not that I suggest you stay inside your borders as the world around you will probable disappoint you a bit when you see it doesn't live up to the stereotypical view..

Blah blah blah...ok your oped essay asside, I wonder why it is that everyone I meet from abroad is always trying to move here? Even as they criticize everything about the U.S., they are working on extending their visas. European countries are evidently not as attractive as their residents' bloated egos imagine they are.
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Blah blah blah...ok your oped essay asside, I wonder why it is that everyone I meet from abroad is always trying to move here? Even as they criticize everything about the U.S., they are working on extending their visas.
First of all you don't think people in other countries experience the same?

~3% of your citizens lives abroad.. ( 900 times more than 50 years ago )
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European countries are evidently not as attractive as their residents' bloated egos imagine they are.
50 widely different nations with widely different economies and many with a history in the Soviet Union means that there can be good reason in trying ones luck elsewhere.. and it can of course also be interesting for people to try something different for a bit if their jobs offers it..

Just like Haiti differs from Canada, so does Romania from Denmark..
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Blah blah blah...ok your oped essay asside, I wonder why it is that everyone I meet from abroad is always trying to move here? Even as they criticize everything about the U.S., they are working on extending their visas. European countries are evidently not as attractive as their residents' bloated egos imagine they are.
I find it hard to believe that every single person you meet abroad is trying to move to the US.
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As opposed to a Kelsey's lifestyle?
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I find it hard to believe that every single person you meet abroad is trying to move to the US.
Maybe he only goes in vacation in Mexico ?
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As the French worker with his 35h work week enjoys one of his 6 weeks of paid vacation and make the national average of $43.278 ( for comparison it's $28,567 for the US )
Oh look, another person conflating statistics and confusing averages and medians. And using wikipedia for statistics - how very sophisticated of you. Do you really believe that the average French citizen is over 50% richer than his American coutnerpart? Please, you're fudging statistics to prove a point, and you know it.

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where even a US resident would seem fairly wealthy..
Right. And all U.S. residents are the same. Nevermind that median household incomes vary from $37k in Mississippi to $66k in New Hampshire.

If your argument is that Americans underestimate the diversity in Europe (true), you probably shouldn't go and do the same.
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Oh look, another person conflating statistics and confusing averages and medians. And using wikipedia for statistics - how very sophisticated of you. Do you really believe that the average French citizen is over 50% richer than his American coutnerpart?
Not sure about that, but I'm pretty sure the average French citizen can afford himself a Bigmac !
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McDonalds and Quickburger are pretty cheap, so I'm guessing most French can easily afford them. They're generally cheaper than the local chains or creperies.

Just go to Jardin du Luxembourg on a sunny Saturday afternoon, and see how many young people are snacking on McDonalds.
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I find it hard to believe that every single person you meet abroad is trying to move to the US.
Believe it...and I didn't say "every person I meet abroad", but every person I meet FROM abroad. Big difference...they come here for work or for an extended stay and always end up trying their best to stay for good, even as they criticize everything. It's amazing.
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First of all you don't think people in other countries experience the same?

~3% of your citizens lives abroad.. ( 900 times more than 50 years ago )

50 widely different nations with widely different economies and many with a history in the Soviet Union means that there can be good reason in trying ones luck elsewhere.. and it can of course also be interesting for people to try something different for a bit if their jobs offers it..

Just like Haiti differs from Canada, so does Romania from Denmark..
Wow, thanks for the social studies lesson. I had no idea that there are different countries and cultures and economies in Europe! Good God.
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Oh look, another person conflating statistics and confusing averages and medians. And using wikipedia for statistics - how very sophisticated of you.
I'd rather rely on statistics than stereotypical myths with no hold in reality..

I know reality can be a bitch, but there's no point in getting angry at me for showing how reality is.. it's neither me, nor the French people who drove the US economy to what it is, nor is it us who gave up on Unions and worker rights... I simply gave a comical and very false post a sprinkle of reality..

Wages and conditions are as the people allow them to be...

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Do you really believe that the average French citizen is over 50% richer than his American coutnerpart?
A higher income does not necessarily make them "richer" but I can certainly say that I have never seen poverty, homelessness or grit in France that comes even close to match that I've seen in the US..

Wealth is also distributed more equally in France, health care is covered through taxes, pension trough state etc so yes I do think the French is "richer" than his US counterpart as he doesn't have as many extra costs in life... perhaps not 50% but with some margin and he works less to make it, so it seems like a good deal to me..

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Right. And all U.S. residents are the same
When comparing nations we need to look at a per capita/average basis - there's no point in comparing Donald Trump with a French factory worker and expect to get anything useful out of that..

Apples to apples, oranges to oranges...
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Nevermind that median household incomes vary from $37k in Mississippi to $66k in New Hampshire.
Great then an entire household in New Hampshire almost makes as much as a single McDonalds worker does here...

Mate, it's not like income doesn't vary in other nations - people in Picardy doesn't have the same income as in Alsace either.. but what's the point of comparing Alsace with New Hampshire when talking about France and the US?

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If your argument is that Americans underestimate the diversity in Europe (true), you probably shouldn't go and do the same.
I know reality isn't always pleasant to be reminded of and that it can awaken feelings and even anger - but that's the thing about reality.. it's just how it is..

All nations varies, all nations have diversity.. all continents vary and all continents have diversity..

I'm all for making fun of the French - but I do not want to reenforce ludicrous stereotypes such as a Frenchmen wishing he could afford to buy food at KFC - that is not how reality is..

In fact it should be the French who made fun the other way around, but the French are humble - they know that there's a bigger fish right around the corner ( or in their case across the borders ) and that is probable the difference between European nations and the US..

'The US has been #1 on it's continent for a long time and very high on a global level ever since WW2 so it's become common to think it's still like that, but reality is that the world moves on it changes.. the real wages in the US has not changes since the 60s.. but it has changed in a LOT of other nations and I can understand that it can be hurtful when one grows up thinking a thing is one way when it turns out to be another, but I will again point out that the responsibility for wages, for rights and for life in general lies with the voters..

There's a reason why you hear news about strikes in France.. about people people taking to the streets and 'fighting' for their rights.. they don't accept stagnation or reduction of rights or wages - productivity have increased greatly the last decades and so should the wages - and that is why today that the French worker makes more working less than his US counterpart..

It's a bit funny to be writing this on May 1st but reality is that workers has the power in this world - but they can only use it if they stick together and fight for improvements and their rights..
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I'd rather rely on statistics than stereotypical myths with no hold in reality..


Awesome post. Completely misguided and full of falsehoods, but definitely awesome.
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Believe it...and I didn't say "every person I meet abroad", but every person I meet FROM abroad. Big difference...they come here for work or for an extended stay and always end up trying their best to stay for good, even as they criticize everything. It's amazing.
That's pretty much with anybody who immigrants to a certain country. I'm sure you find plenty of immigrants in Europe and elsewhere who wants to stay.
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^if you knew why such posts?
I'd rather rely on statistics than stereotypical myths with no hold in reality..

I know reality can be a bitch, but there's no point in getting angry at me for showing how reality is.. it's neither me, nor the French people who drove the US economy to what it is, nor is it us who gave up on Unions and worker rights... I simply gave a comical and very false post a sprinkle of reality..

Wages and conditions are as the people allow them to be...

A higher income does not necessarily make them "richer" but I can certainly say that I have never seen poverty, homelessness or grit in France that comes even close to match that I've seen in the US..

Wealth is also distributed more equally in France, health care is covered through taxes, pension trough state etc so yes I do think the French is "richer" than his US counterpart as he doesn't have as many extra costs in life... perhaps not 50% but with some margin and he works less to make it, so it seems like a good deal to me..

When comparing nations we need to look at a per capita/average basis - there's no point in comparing Donald Trump with a French factory worker and expect to get anything useful out of that..

Apples to apples, oranges to oranges...
Great then an entire household in New Hampshire almost makes as much as a single McDonalds worker does here...

Mate, it's not like income doesn't vary in other nations - people in Picardy doesn't have the same income as in Alsace either.. but what's the point of comparing Alsace with New Hampshire when talking about France and the US?

I know reality isn't always pleasant to be reminded of and that it can awaken feelings and even anger - but that's the thing about reality.. it's just how it is..

All nations varies, all nations have diversity.. all continents vary and all continents have diversity..

I'm all for making fun of the French - but I do not want to reenforce ludicrous stereotypes such as a Frenchmen wishing he could afford to buy food at KFC - that is not how reality is..

In fact it should be the French who made fun the other way around, but the French are humble - they know that there's a bigger fish right around the corner ( or in their case across the borders ) and that is probable the difference between European nations and the US..

'The US has been #1 on it's continent for a long time and very high on a global level ever since WW2 so it's become common to think it's still like that, but reality is that the world moves on it changes.. the real wages in the US has not changes since the 60s.. but it has changed in a LOT of other nations and I can understand that it can be hurtful when one grows up thinking a thing is one way when it turns out to be another, but I will again point out that the responsibility for wages, for rights and for life in general lies with the voters..

There's a reason why you hear news about strikes in France.. about people people taking to the streets and 'fighting' for their rights.. they don't accept stagnation or reduction of rights or wages - productivity have increased greatly the last decades and so should the wages - and that is why today that the French worker makes more working less than his US counterpart..

It's a bit funny to be writing this on May 1st but reality is that workers has the power in this world - but they can only use it if they stick together and fight for improvements and their rights..
I am very confused by this post. Are you saying the average French fast food employee makes 66k a year?
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