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Old Posted Nov 10, 2014, 7:45 AM
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2014, 11:22 AM
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Heh, they sprung for platform doors I see. Much easier when you have a single type of car in your system though.
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Platform doors are ugly.
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Platform doors are ugly.
True enough, but they can be a safety feature, especially at stations (Main Street?) where there seem to be a number of suicides, (let alone people falling off, or getting pushed off)
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Interesting read
...and, considering a major point of the article seems to be the "innovation" (for the US) of a driverless system, not one mention of Vancouver's almost 30-year record of accident-free automation and its success at attracting ridership.
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...and, considering a major point of the article seems to be the "innovation" (for the US) of a driverless system, not one mention of Vancouver's almost 30-year record of accident-free automation and its success at attracting ridership.
I know, right? I was also wondering the absence of Vancouver in the article.

They really need this line, as traffic in Honolulu is incredibly bad throughout Oahu.
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I know, right? I was also wondering the absence of Vancouver in the article.

They really need this line, as traffic in Honolulu is incredibly bad throughout Oahu.
This makes me wonder why any city would consider non-UTO sytems:

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Honolulu's system is modeled on the Copenhagen Metro, which has been operating since 2002 and won "best subway" at the international MetroRail conference in 2008. Grabauskas reports "a tremendous amount of interest" in Honolulu's system among his mainland U.S. colleagues.
Considering we've only had fully Automated Metro's for 30 years, that puts Skytrain right near or at the beginning.

http://orfe.princeton.edu/~alaink/Sm...0VER%201.1.pdf

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Observatory of Automated Metros recognizes an automated
Metro when three criteria are met.
1. Trains must operate without any staff onboard.
2. Trains must operate with a minimum capacity of 100
passengers/train.
3. Trains must be part of the public transport network.
Private lines including airport services and people movers are
discarded.
Also in that document, Platform doors are installed on 86% of new Metro's.

The Honolulu project is on page 34. "Honolulu: US first large scale UTO Metro"

Vancouver could probably retrofit doors on the platforms, but it would need to either ditch the Mark I cars or make the problematic stations with the doors not have the Mark I cars stop there.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2014, 10:30 PM
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This makes me wonder why any city would consider non-UTO sytems
Unions.

Take London, for example. Trains are essentially driver-less. All the driver does is press a button to open and close the doors.
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I know, right? I was also wondering the absence of Vancouver in the article.
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Probably because Bombardier lost the bid for the HNL vehicles - the winner was the manufacturer of the Copenhagen vehicles - Ansaldo-Breda.

Following the history - HNL made a recent "stupid" decision.

The bid was based on 2-car vehicles. Local reps were shocked to discover that conversion to 4-car trains would require the cars to be out of service for a period (to insert middle cars). So they changed their vehicle order to all 4-car trains (i.e. 4 cars, walkthrough).

However, that means they'll only be ordering half the number of "trains" (same number of cars), with frequency to suffer.

I have no idea, but it sounds like the Ansaldo-Breda 2-car trains couldn't end-to-end couple to create a 4-car train (non-walkthrough)?
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True enough, but they can be a safety feature, especially at stations (Main Street?) where there seem to be a number of suicides, (let alone people falling off, or getting pushed off)
Even a 'safety feature' can fail:

Woman Dies After Getting Trapped in Doors of Beijing Subway
http://m.english.caixin.com/pad/2014...100748286.html
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The HNL stations make the new Lougheed platform even more -BLETCH-.

Borrowing the HNL station design for Lougheed would have made the new platform match the current 'tent roof' at Lougheed better than the uninspired design we're getting.

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A fabric roof probably wouldn't hold up to snow very well.
I also wonder how that would hold up to high winds.
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A fabric roof probably wouldn't hold up to snow very well.
I also wonder how that would hold up to high winds.
HNL doesn't get hurricanes / tornadoes / typhoons ?
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Yeah, they can get hurricanes.
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2014, 3:41 AM
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I found it funny how open HNL terminals are. Not many closed indoor spaces and those few are closed just for air conditioning. I guess on those latitudes there is no need to have closed spaces.

The whole airport is in a dire need of renovation.
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A fabric roof probably wouldn't hold up to snow very well.
I also wonder how that would hold up to high winds.
The fabric roofs at BC place (original and replacement) or Brentwood Mall seem to handle the worst of the snow that Vancouver gets.
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The fabric roofs at BC place (original and replacement) or Brentwood Mall seem to handle the worst of the snow that Vancouver gets.
Those are all sealed at the edges. I was wondering about the exposed edge shown in the rendering and the possibility of tears starting along that edge, or the fabric billowing and acting like a sail.
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The momentum doesn't end with Honolulu

I bring updates from Japan Okinawa, Japan (which is ironically similar, tropical and tourist-popular) just declared that the inaugural island-wide passenger railway - which will be part urban metro, part intercity-railway - will use SkyTrain technology. As in, the full deal - with linear motor trains and driverless technology. At 69km, this will be the largest one-time SkyTrain technology investment in the world.

SkyTrain was chosen over Tram-Train LRT for providing better transportation and travel time benefits, effectively cutting island cross time in half vs. a popular express bus. And reducing the fare vs. that bus as well.



[LINK] Okinawa, Japan declares SkyTrain technology for 69km railway


This week, a number of articles in Japanese have surfaced, revealing project details and effectively confirming SkyTrain technology for Okinawa’s first major rapid transit line.
News release: 知事選で高まる気運 リニアモーターを使った沖縄の「普通鉄道」建設構想とは
English: Election momentum growing: plan outlined for Okinawa’s linear motor railway
Translated (Google): [LINK]


The 49km segment between Okinawa City and Naga City will be the world’s first intercity railway using SkyTrain technology.

It is expected to cut travel time across the island in half, to 58 minutes from the current 1 hour and 45 minutes by rapid express bus. The line will initially use 4-car trains, with 12m long cars – similar to Vancouver’s Mark I SkyTrain vehicles. They will be low-height vehicles capable of running through smaller tunnels.

The new railway will signifcantly improve transit travel times and create a new option to combat rising congestion levels on the Okinawa Expressway, a major toll road crossing the island. The entire railway will be 69km long, which will immediately make it the third longest SkyTrain-technology rail system in the world upon completion.

(Full details incl. case-study document in link)
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2014, 3:39 PM
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Having researched OTDC/UTDC's pioneering in the design of then ICTS and seeing how much criticism and lack of actual sales came out of it for almost 15 years (the AirTrain was the first new line built since the People Mover, right?), it's amazing to see it really take off like this.
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SkyTrain was chosen over Tram-Train LRT for providing better transportation and travel time benefits, effectively cutting island cross time in half vs. a popular express bus. And reducing the fare vs. that bus as well.
How long till we see Malcom repeat the "Skytrain is Obsolete" story in another local paper and someone rubs this in his face?
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