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Old Posted Apr 23, 2011, 2:21 PM
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That must be one dumb intern then! If he actually believed they could put trees up there, it's a good thing he's still an intern and not a high-level staff member
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2011, 3:01 PM
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No way- that was an intern with a green pen! I honestly do not believe it is possible, barring huge expense and engineering, to grow trees above mechanicals at 700ft with such a small square footage of roof. The air exchange volume/heat alone would probably kill them. And on a building like this it would be pointless as far as environmental concerns go.
If they did decide to go throught with that, it would probably be more in keeping with the design than anything else.

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Old Posted May 1, 2011, 2:27 PM
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What a mediocre effort here. This building already looks out-dated by about 20 years!
     
     
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Old Posted May 1, 2011, 10:01 PM
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I'm willing to bet that the final version will not feature that helicopter pad looking thing at the top. The tower would look pretty much the same, but with a regular, cheaper top.
     
     
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Construction or Demolition next door - Who wins?

Gross is looking to build, while Moinian is looking to demolish. Sounds like a black comedy:

An inflatable giant rat has popped up in front of 237 W. 54th St., the vacant 5-story building Joseph Moinian has begun demolishing in preparation for a 34-story hotel project.
Members of Local 79 wheeled in the roving rodent to protest Moinian's use of a non-union crew to perform the takedown, which received Buildings Dept. approval last month. The work set off a buzz that it could endanger union workmen installing the foundation at the next-door site, at the corner of Broadway, where Harry Gross's Broadway Granite Development is building a 67-story Marriott Hotel.
"The men on Harry's site wanted the city to not allow Moinian to demolish his eastern wall until the Marriott reached the height that Moinian's project is supposed to reach," a source claimed.
However, the DOB says it has no record of Gross filing any complaint. We first reported Moinian's plan in March, when he filed plans for the 34-story hotel with the DOB, which has yet to approve them. Moinian declined to comment through a rep. Reps for Gross didn't get back to us.scuozzo@nypost.com


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Gross is looking to build, while Moinian is looking to demolish. Sounds like a black comedy:

An inflatable giant rat has popped up in front of 237 W. 54th St., the vacant 5-story building Joseph Moinian has begun demolishing in preparation for a 34-story hotel project.
Members of Local 79 wheeled in the roving rodent to protest Moinian's use of a non-union crew to perform the takedown, which received Buildings Dept. approval last month. The work set off a buzz that it could endanger union workmen installing the foundation at the next-door site, at the corner of Broadway, where Harry Gross's Broadway Granite Development is building a 67-story Marriott Hotel.
"The men on Harry's site wanted the city to not allow Moinian to demolish his eastern wall until the Marriott reached the height that Moinian's project is supposed to reach," a source claimed.
However, the DOB says it has no record of Gross filing any complaint. We first reported Moinian's plan in March, when he filed plans for the 34-story hotel with the DOB, which has yet to approve them. Moinian declined to comment through a rep. Reps for Gross didn't get back to us.scuozzo@nypost.com


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This petty fight won't delay construction of the Marriott, will it?
     
     
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The W. 50s are ready to rumble

Posted: 11:19 PM, July 25, 2011

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TWO sets of Buildings Dept. approvals issued yesterday paved the way for full-bore work on two big projects on the block bounded by Broadway and Eighth Avenue and West 54th and 55th Streets -- soon to be Manhattan's noisiest construction site except for the World Trade Center.

At 250 W. 55th St., Boston Properties' 900,000 square-foot office tower is set to rise after a two-year hiatus. The DOB approved plans for a "heavy-duty," 712-foot-long sidewalk shed to wrap the L-shaped site on three sides.

Law firm Morrison Foerster recently signed on for 200,000 square feet, reviving the project that Boston froze at the foundation two years ago.

Also yesterday, the DOB green-lighted plans it had initially rejected for Joseph Moinian's as yet unflagged, 34-story hotel at 237 W. 54th, to rise on the site of a small building he's nearly finished demolishing.

No rendering of the Gene Kaufman-designed hotel was available. That's led to speculation that, rather than build, Moinian would prefer to be bought out by Harry Gross, who's putting up the block's third giant project -- a 60-story Marriott hotel next door at 1717 Broadway.
Moinian's project would likely block views from the Marriott's lower floors. Moinian's rep blamed the lack of an image on a confidentiality agreement with an unidentified partner.

Meanwhile, the 54th Street block will be closed to traffic this weekend and next, to set up a crane for work on the new Marriott.



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Old Posted Jul 26, 2011, 1:23 PM
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God I hope that's true, Kauffman is just awful. If that were to happen it'd be nice if they made this one taller by using those air rights, but as kong as the Kauffman doesn't get built I'll be happy.
     
     
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That's an understatement, especially with towers alread rising and eventually to rise like One57, Tower Verre, and the Drake tower (on the east)...let's get ready to rumble!
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That's an understatement, especially with towers alread rising and eventually to rise like One57, Tower Verre, and the Drake tower (on the east)...let's get ready to rumble!
Don't forget 225 W 57th, which will be the tallest of them all!
     
     
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And don't forget the tower on 57th and 1st that'll be 700 ft+ and will start rising next year!
     
     
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So, if Moinian's plot is indeed bought out, how much taller could the Marriot potentially be?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2011, 8:57 PM
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That's an understatement, especially with towers alread rising and eventually to rise like One57, Tower Verre, and the Drake tower (on the east)...let's get ready to rumble!

Eventually being the key word. Lets get financed before we start "rumbling"
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I doubt Moinian is being bought out. That makes no sense, and sounds like more Cuozzo-NY Post garbage speculation.

The Broadway-facing hotel is ready to go. They have signed agreements with hotel operators and are underway. They aren't going to tear everything up and start over. Why would the developer waste millions of dollars and years of planning?

And why would Moinian sell? He has cash and there's demand for Midtown hotels.

So there's no reason for Moinian to sell, and there's no reason for the Broadway-side site to buy.
     
     
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Eventually being the key word. Lets get financed before we start "rumbling"
These projects will be realized in the short-term. There is vast demand in the financial capital of the world and the only global city on Earth besides London. There is a lot of construction in NY that's being financed now.

What other city, other than other world financial centers like London and HK, are selling apartments in excess of $6k/sf?
     
     
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These projects will be realized in the short-term. There is vast demand in the financial capital of the world and the only global city on Earth besides London. There is a lot of construction in NY that's being financed now.

What other city, other than other world financial centers like London and HK, are selling apartments in excess of $6k/sf?
That had to be intentional.

     
     
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This thread is about a building in New York. Let's keep it that way.

That goes for the other threads, too. Stick to the topic and don't start a city vs city debate.
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These projects will be realized in the short-term. There is vast demand in the financial capital of the world and the only global city on Earth besides London. There is a lot of construction in NY that's being financed now.

What other city, other than other world financial centers like London and HK, are selling apartments in excess of $6k/sf?
Whats the short term? 5-10 years? 20? These are such vague terms you're using, especially this "global city" nonsense. I'd like to see which objective metrics you're using, but thats for pm.

Whats your point about price points? Price points don't mean development is going to happen, especially not a specific development. Its misguided to simplify the complex process that is building a tower to its units final price point. Those prices are in garunteed buildings, something even One57 isn't even yet (though I personally believe it will be). And just because one tower can take advantage of a market doesn't mean that 10 essentially identical towers within 10 blocks of each other can do the same. Supply relieves demand, last time I checked, and competition lowers prices.

Supertall residentials, or mixed use supertalls with residences, are not common. One has never been built in New York and there are only a few worldwide, outside of Dubai anyway. They don't just happen and I think its wrong to treat them like daisies, especially in a city like New York, with a large supply of all types of developments and a mature development environment.

So whats going on? If there really is a market for for these towers to get built, I bet only 1-2 of them will be built in the short term, say 5-10 years. I still question whether there really is a market, but that's another discussion I think could go either way. The developers are posturing, making sure they all have their own proposal to be in the headlines so that if one can be built, they're going to try and make sure its theirs. They're trying to attract investors back to a recovering real-estate market. But, no investor is going to come to a dormant project. So the developers play the press game and file meaningless permits to keep up the image that things are moving forward. But its all an attempt to secure financing. Because they're not going to be building if the project isn't financed. And there is only one of these big, high-end residential projects that is currently has something, forgive the pun, concrete.

I think a lot of the other, certainly more attractive, proposals have a better chance of being built than this one. But we'll see.
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We'll see. There's a lot in store for the world's two greatest cities, NY and London.
     
     
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So whats going on? If there really is a market for for these towers to get built, I bet only 1-2 of them will be built in the short term, say 5-10 years. I still question whether there really is a market, but that's another discussion I think could go either way.
This is an odd opinion, IMO.

There is no difference between an apartment in a "supertall" by SSP terminology and a regular highrise apartment.

The local market is the local market. There aren't separate markets for buildings based on relative height.

Outside of the world of SSP, there's absolutely no difference between marketing a regular highrise apartment and marketing a supertall apartment.

Folks in the real world don't care about these distinctions. It's all just tall buildings, and doesn't really matter if 30, 50, or 70 floors. The issues are location, amenities, finishes, views, taxes, etc.
     
     
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