Examples of non-white gentrification?

[Segun]

If a developer wants to build anything on the South Side of Chicago, they have to consult with Church Women, Small business owners, community center leaders, grassroots politicians, etc or the Alderman will outright block yo ass AND march with the people in a rally to stop it if he or she has to. Strength in numbers. It won't even make it to the proposal stage. That's the way things work out South. It ain't like up North. You gotta show you're down with the people to gain the trust. Yuppies aren't just going to take over without some concessions being met first. That's gonna be how it works for a while. The Obamas just legitimized the s**t out of that process.

[the urban politician]

^ Sorry but I for sure know you are exaggerating.

Zoning allows people to build stuff without all of that.

The problem is the lack of interest from private developers due to the poor demographics, income levels, etc. If you believe otherwise, then you're delusional.

The only thing that will spur development in these neighborhoods is not the blessing of some church leader. It's demographics and wealth.

[Segun]

shiiiiiiiiiet. I beg to differ.

[Segun]

We can argue back and forth but the proof whats going down on street level. The only neighborhood that has seen an increase in White foot traffic in the South Side is Hyde Park, and the foot traffic from Black pedestrians has increased two-fold in that same neighborhood. I'm going by what I see.

[dc_denizen]

Meanwhile in detroit they elected a white mayor and investment is pouring into the blackest big city in America. Are you sure socialistnationalism is the best way forward?

[Segun]

There's no way to track racial demographics of new construction, but I'd be willing to bet that Black professionals are the ones buying most of the units of new construction. I'm probably correct because I still don't see much more than a handful of White people walking around the South Side outside of Hyde Park and Beverly. To be real, do you see many White people moving to that new building on 43rd/Cottage for instance? Be real!
This probably doesn't offset the overall population loss, but it's a significant gain of resources and talent the South Side needs.

An entity that's losing population on paper, yet is gaining in the intangibles that build a great place? Almost sounds like Chicago to me.........

[Segun]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

Meanwhile in detroit they elected a white mayor and investment is pouring into the blackest big city in America. Are you sure socialistnationalism is the best way forward?

Call it what you want, we call it the Chicago way. I'm pretty sure that's the Blackest White Mayor ever also. Black people will support someone who's real.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Segun

Hyde Park is one of those neighborhoods that shows how White residents can co-exist within a neighborhood full of Black owned businesses. Afrocentric bookstores, clothing, music and restaurants exist alongside Whole Foods, creating flair to HP that's very attractive culturally and boosts overall tourism within Chicago. Cultural pluralism transformed into financial gain. It's still kind of bougie to me IMO.

I'm seeing a rise of Black counter-culture thought. I predict a neighbood will rise that will become a nexus for for that line of thinking. A Black Haight Ashbury of Chicago so to speak. Don't count 79th street out either. That's Chance the Rappers' hood. His parents worked on the Obama campaign so he has connections and clout.

Come to think of it, does NYC have an integrated Hyde Park/Kenwood type area where white and black professionals live alongside each other? I'm pretty sure all the "mixed" neighborhoods in NYC are basically made up of a much more affluent white population and a more working class or low income black population.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Segun

We can argue back and forth but the proof whats going down on street level. The only neighborhood that has seen an increase in White foot traffic in the South Side is Hyde Park, and the foot traffic from Black pedestrians has increased two-fold in that same neighborhood. I'm going by what I see.

This is not a back and forth argument. I provided demographic data, and all you're doing is putting out your "feelings on the street". This is a waste of time.

Asians and whites numbers are rising in Bronzeville. White numbers are increasing even in Woodlawn, although not dramatically. There is no debate to be had here.

[Segun]

^ Maybe in 20 years we'll start actually seeing them in the neighborhood. Cause you'll have to point them out me as of now. But numbers don't lie do they

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Segun

There's no way to track racial demographics of new construction, but I'd be willing to bet that Black professionals are the ones buying most of the units of new construction. I'm probably correct because I still don't see much more than a handful of White people walking around the South Side outside of Hyde Park and Beverly. To be real, do you see many White people moving to that new building on 43rd/Cottage for instance? Be real!
This probably doesn't offset the overall population loss, but it's a significant gain of resources and talent the South Side needs.

An entity that's losing population on paper, yet is gaining in the intangibles that build a great place? Almost sounds like Chicago to me.........

There are many people rehabbing properties in the black parts of the south side. Some rehabbers are black, some are white, some are of other ethnic backgrounds.

There are homes being built on the south side. Nearly all the builders are white or Chinese builders.

There are rehabs going on in abundance on the southwest side. Almost all of it is Chinese or north side money.

What is not happening is sizable voluntary, unsubsidized private development by black people in black areas. All of those developments you are seeing are massively subsidized by tax dollars. And any other large developments by larger corporations (Whole Foods, etc) is only happening because of huge subsidies.

There is zero appetite for any large private investment in these areas. It's not the church leaders keeping them away.

[Segun]

Once again, Black people must be buying these properties, cause outside of Bridgeport and Hyde Park, there's still no visible Chinese signs of Chinese or White population growth. Show me Urban Politician where I can find actual visible evidence of what you're talking about. Where's the stores, the people shopping, etc? Where are they?

[Segun]

Matter of fact, show me a single stretch of street in the Black areas of the South Side that looks like its indicative of this mass demographic change. Until then, its numbers on paper, or digits nowadays.

[Segun]

Originally Posted by Docere

Come to think of it, does NYC have an integrated Hyde Park/Kenwood type area where white and black professionals live alongside each other?

Harlem.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Segun

Once again, Black people must be buying these properties, cause outside of Bridgeport and Hyde Park, there's still no visible Chinese signs of Chinese or White population growth. Show me Urban Politician where I can find actual visible evidence of what you're talking about. Where's the stores, the people shopping, etc? Where are they?

I showed you population stats in the links above. That's all that's needed.

I'm not going to go drive you around.

If you can't buy demographic data by census tract then this is a fool's errand.

It's perfectly conceivable that the small Chinese population in Bronzeville goes to Chinatown to do their shopping

[Segun]

Population stats equals actual experience now. Ok. Drive me around, looks like you need to drive yourself around.

[the urban politician]

Here's another article:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chica...story,amp.html

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Segun

Population stats equals actual experience now. Ok. Drive me around, looks like you need to drive yourself around.

Yes. Data is more important than the "feelings" that an extremely biased person like yourself gets when his "ears are to the ground" or whatever the hell your angle is.

Every.

Single.

Piece of.

Data.

Supports what I'm saying. Except the observations "on the street" of Mr. "Black Empire". The same "Black Empire" in which over a quarter million black people left Chicago in a decade. But I guess if you didn't see it, it never happened.

[Segun]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Here's another article:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chica...story,amp.html

^ I love the way that article chose a picture of a Community Center in Bronzeville that's mostly patronized by Black people.

[Segun]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Yes. Data is more important than the "feelings" that an extremely biased person like yourself gets when his "ears are to the ground" or whatever the hell your angle is.

Every.

Single.

Piece of.

Data.

Supports what I'm saying. Except the observations "on the street" of Mr. "Black Empire". The same "Black Empire" in which over a quarter million black people left Chicago in a decade. But I guess if you didn't see it, it never happened.

Feelings are not observations. This is what I OBSERVE FROM ACTUALLY GOING. TO. THE. NEIGHBORHOOD. In other words, your data don't mean s**t if its not being mirrored in real life. You need to re-evaluate your data then.