Surrey Langley Skytrain - Expo Line Extension | Proposed

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by roger1818

The other thing, looking closer at that map, the platform looks almost as long as the SkyTrain station (looks to me to be at least 60m, possibly longer). If that is the case for all of the stations, they should be able to use long trains carrying up to 400 maybe even 500 passengers. This station might be an exception though.

To be precise, intended "ultimate" capacity is 60m trains carrying 400 passengers every 5 minutes - 4,800 people/hour/direction.

I'd be concerned about signalling implementation too. Edmonton's Metro Line only runs every 15 minutes, but that's enough to screw up the whole road, pedestrians/cyclists/buses included.

[Rico]

Anyone who looks at the track diagram knows the 104th/King George intersection will be nightmare even at frequencies above 5 minutes...I will say it again, the traffic snarls this intersection causes will cause enough backlash the politicians will cave on signal premption/priority basically making the whole line semi useless. They need to grade seperate from King George station to past this intersection. An extra couple of hundred million (out of a 1.6 billion project) to make it a useful project is well worth it...it would also solve that pathetic ultimate capacity issue (not that I think this line needs to worry about more than 5,000pphpd for a long time).

[officedweller]

The other aspect is that with those curves, the trains will not be moving quickly through that segment.
And I doubt you can completely rely on transit priority to maintain a fast speed, because if cars get backed up,
they may inadvertently stop on the tracks where they aren't supposed to (i.e. nothing is perfect).

It would even make more sense to expropriate a right-of-way through the Central City parking lot parallel
to the SkyTrain guideway to eliminate some street crossings.
The track could dive down under the corner of Holland Park (with a station there) and emerge in the middle of King George Blvd.
There could be an underground passage from the Holland Park station to King George Station.

[flipper316]

https://www.peacearchnews.com/news/t...-in-guildford/

[BirchTrain]

https://www.surreynowleader.com/muni...-interference/

Looks like Dean Barbour is now saying SkyTrain for Surrey is interfering. SFS says they are registered with Elections BC.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by BirchTrain

https://www.surreynowleader.com/muni...-interference/

Looks like Dean Barbour is now saying SkyTrain for Surrey is interfering. SFS says they are registered with Elections BC.

There is a huge difference between an incumbent government using taxpayers money to promote a certain view on a campaign issue during an election and a private organization registered with Elections BC doing the same but with private money.

[p_xavier]

As a former transit consultant for the LRT in Ottawa and Transit City in Toronto, keep up the fight for SkyTrain. The recommanded technology that was favoured in Ottawa was ART and politicians wanted LRT so Ottawa end up with a mish mash of both with their streetcar light metro.

The only city in Canada now promoting ART is Montréal, with the new provincial government wanting to add 40km of REM to the already 67km Under consruction. The only LRT planned for the Montréal region is for secondary transit in its own ROW.

[BirchTrain]

Originally Posted by roger1818

There is a huge difference between an incumbent government using taxpayers money to promote a certain view on a campaign issue during an election and a private organization registered with Elections BC doing the same but with private money.

I genuinely want to see how Elections BC responds to the Fleetwood BIA about this. To be fair to Barbour, the recent removal of the City's "Light Rail Station Coming Here" signs does make you think SkyTrain for Surrey's signs are a violation of rules. However, he should've done his research before making a formal complaint about an important election issue.

[ClaytonA]

Originally Posted by officedweller

The other aspect is that with those curves, the trains will not be moving quickly through that segment.
And I doubt you can completely rely on transit priority to maintain a fast speed, because if cars get backed up,
they may inadvertently stop on the tracks where they aren't supposed to (i.e. nothing is perfect).

It would even make more sense to expropriate a right-of-way through the Central City parking lot parallel
to the SkyTrain guideway to eliminate some street crossings.
The track could dive down under the corner of Holland Park (with a station there) and emerge in the middle of King George Blvd.
There could be an underground passage from the Holland Park station to King George Station.

Yup the curves into and out of downtown Calgary or at North Hill Centre really bottleneck traffic on crossroads. If there's one spot to do grade separation, this is it. It would increase reliability, road safety, LRT expandability, etc. And who cares about the transition blank-wall-effect when it's in the middle of the road?

[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by ClaytonA

If there's one spot to do grade separation, this is it. It would increase reliability, road safety, LRT expandability, etc. And who cares about the transition blank-wall-effect when it's in the middle of the road?

*But but but the tunnels will make Surrey less attractive to developers people looking to work here!* /s

Seriously, the people in Surrey First have a fetish for trams running dead center on busy streets just because they saw pictures of European cities with trams running where people walk to luxury stores selling Swiss watches and Lululemons.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by BirchTrain

I genuinely want to see how Elections BC responds to the Fleetwood BIA about this. To be fair to Barbour, the recent removal of the City's "Light Rail Station Coming Here" signs does make you think SkyTrain for Surrey's signs are a violation of rules. However, he should've done his research before making a formal complaint about an important election issue.

Unless the light gets pushed back on him for making a stink it's low hanging fruit to try and make the pro-Skytrain grops look like a group of unprepared and uninformed dweebs and possibly try to use that to paint the canvas for in-general skytrain support.
Greasy if you ask me.

[Trainguy]

Originally Posted by Firebrand

*But but but the tunnels will make Surrey less attractive to developers people looking to work here!* /s

Seriously, the people in Surrey First have a fetish for trams running dead center on busy streets just because they saw pictures of European cities with trams running where people walk to luxury stores selling Swiss watches and Lululemons.

Those who chose LRT technology and those who continue to support it have both middle fingers raised upward towards people in cars. The way it is planned is horrible. Removing lanes of traffic and causing delays and gridlock does not improve Surrey at all. All I can say is GO Doug and prevent this mistake from ever putting the shovels in the ground.

[BirchTrain]

Originally Posted by Trainguy

Those who chose LRT technology and those who continue to support it have both middle fingers raised upward towards people in cars. The way it is planned is horrible. Removing lanes of traffic and causing delays and gridlock does not improve Surrey at all. All I can say is GO Doug and prevent this mistake from ever putting the shovels in the ground.

In such a automobile dependent city like Surrey, we need to encourage walking, cycling, and transit. People need to get out of their cars. Eventually, vehicle lanes could be removed for bikes, BRT, or LRT. But the infrastructure just isn’t there for it right now, and LRT’s slower speeds attract less ridership than other technologies.

If LRT proponents insist we need cute little toy trains running in the background to build a community, why not get some actual cute little toy trains running in our communities?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by BirchTrain

If LRT proponents insist we need cute little toy trains running in the background to build a community, why not get some actual cute little toy trains running in our communities?

Mall Rapid Transit for Surrey!

[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Mall Rapid Transit for Surrey!

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Mall Rapid Transit for Surrey!

Great - now I keep hearing John Oliver saying "Coal - basically cocaine for Thomas the Tank Engine"

[BirchTrain]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Mall Rapid Transit for Surrey!

Imtiaz Popat be like,

[casper]

This one is is likely in storage somewhere



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[roger1818]

Originally Posted by BirchTrain

If LRT proponents insist we need cute little toy trains running in the background to build a community, why not get some actual cute little toy trains running in our communities?

I’m not a proponent of Surrey’s LRT plan, but is slinging mud like a cheesy American politician isn’t very productive. Let’s take the high road and stick with rational arguments.

[BirchTrain]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I’m not a proponent of Surrey’s LRT plan, but is slinging mud like a cheesy American politician isn’t very productive. Let’s take the high road and stick with rational arguments.

Just havin' a little fun . But I agree. Back to normal discussion!