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Old Posted Oct 1, 2012, 8:47 PM
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Where is that?
The Target Shopping Center. There are several empty spaces there. A small clothing store near the Hallmark shop just closed recently. Also, there is a big anchor space in between Target and the North Carolina Furniture outlet and then there is a lot next to the Furniture outlet which can still be developed for another anchor store.
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2012, 4:29 PM
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The Target Shopping Center. There are several empty spaces there. A small clothing store near the Hallmark shop just closed recently. Also, there is a big anchor space in between Target and the North Carolina Furniture outlet and then there is a lot next to the Furniture outlet which can still be developed for another anchor store.
Looks like there is a little work being done at the old Hobby Town USA location which is in the same little strip as Firehouse, and accross from Shaggy's. Maybe this is where it is going...
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2012, 7:46 PM
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Looks like there is a little work being done at the old Hobby Town USA location which is in the same little strip as Firehouse, and accross from Shaggy's. Maybe this is where it is going...
That would be my guess
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2012, 7:40 PM
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Belk said its Madison Square Mall location will remain open until the Bridge Street store is ready. There are no plans to close the Belk in Parkway Place, which was remodeled last year.
Oh, great. Another nail in the coffin for Madison Square Mall.
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2012, 9:25 PM
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Looks a Chick Fil-A is coming to the Hampton Cove area. Small convenience, I guess.
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2012, 1:11 AM
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Oh, great. Another nail in the coffin for Madison Square Mall.
Bridge Street must have offered them zero rent, just like the other big box stores pay there. I don't think there's anyone who would turn down those terms.

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Looks a Chick Fil-A is coming to the Hampton Cove area. Small convenience, I guess.
Where is the Chick Fil A going to be?
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2012, 5:26 PM
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It'll be on the corner of 431 and Old 431. Directly next to the Exxon gas station.

Anyone know what is being built on 431 just before the foot of the mountains in Hampton Cove. I noticed they cleared out a lot of trees. It looks like a Race Track gas station is opening soon too.
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Redstone Gateway gets tenants

1000 Redstone Gateway - the first building constructed as part of a $1 billion mixed used development at Redstone Arsenal's Gate 9 - has its first tenant and commitments to occupy the next two buildings once they are complete.
Officials with Corporate Office Properties Trust, managing partners for the development, said a single tenant has leased the company's existing 121,000 square foot office building at 1000 Redstone Gateway in its entirety. Also, multiple leases have been signed for two new office buildings at the development, 1100 Redstone Gateway and 1200 Redstone Gateway and both buildings will open at 100 percent occupancy.
COPT would not identify the companies involved in the leases.
Redstone Gateway is a 468 acre project that, once complete, will have 4.6 million square feet of office and retail space. Plans also call for two 150-room hotels, restaurants, stores and an outdoor concert venue at the Rideout Road location. Jim Wilson and Associates, a Montgomery commercial real estate company that also handles the Riverchase Galleria in Hoover, is overseeing retail leasing and is a partner in the development.

COPT said the tenant will move in to 1000 Redstone Gateway in mid-2013 and the 1100 and 1200 buildings by the first quarter of 2014
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2012, 11:50 PM
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It'll be on the corner of 431 and Old 431. Directly next to the Exxon gas station.

Anyone know what is being built on 431 just before the foot of the mountains in Hampton Cove. I noticed they cleared out a lot of trees. It looks like a Race Track gas station is opening soon too.
They seem to be clearing lots of trees and I am wondering what's happening. Is something big coming or did a landowner just decide to harvest the trees?
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2012, 1:49 AM
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They seem to be clearing lots of trees and I am wondering what's happening. Is something big coming or did a landowner just decide to harvest the trees?
At the rate they build houses out there I wouldn't be surprised if it were just another subdivision.
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trees are under attack in Madison County by poor design, poor planning, and selfish greed.
The very thing that makes an area desirable is being removed.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2012, 10:41 AM
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I thought the area was too low for any development, especially given FEMA's new flood mapping. But then again, the Hampton Inn seems to be high enough.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2012, 2:24 PM
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There is some new retail planned for the area near the Hampton Inn on 431 (Hampton Cove). I am not sure what the retail will be though. There are giant commercial For Sale signs in the area of the deforestation.

I do know that they are putting up 3 new red lights in that area by EOY 2012. Should add an additional 10 minutes to everyone's commute. The DOT will also extend the road by the new Race Track (gas station) over to Dug Hill.


http://blog.al.com/breaking/2012/07/...c_signals.html
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2012, 9:12 PM
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trees are under attack in Madison County by poor design, poor planning, and selfish greed.
The very thing that makes an area desirable is being removed.
Amen to that. I guess they figure it is easier to knock down trees than build around them. I especially hate it when they do that for neighborhoods.
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Behind the scenes on the planned Belk flagship store at Bridgestreet

Belk's recent announcement that it will relocate from Madison Square Mall to Bridge Street Town Centre in the fall of 2014 generated an onslaught of critical comments from Huntsville Times and al.com readers.

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2012/10/..._river_default

The Times sat down this week with Huntsville Director of Urban Development Shane Davis, who agreed to take readers inside the Belk negotiations that began last winter.
Davis said O&S Holdings, which owned Bridge Street until recently, first approached the city about bringing in Macy's. When Huntsville residents were surveyed in 2011 about their most-wanted stores, Macy's finished second to Trader Joe's.
But the high-end department store wanted about $20 million worth of city incentives to come to Bridge Street, said Davis, and Macy's couldn't promise that a store would stay in Huntsville long enough to recoup the investment.
Because the city generally pays off retail incentive packages over 20 years, "we need to know there's a 20-year return," Davis said Monday. "Macy's wasn't willing to make that commitment."
Neither was Nordstrom, which expressed interest in Bridge Street after Macy's. Davis said the Seattle-based department store chain was seeking roughly $12 million in incentives.
Belk entered the picture last November. Davis said the company approached the city about anchoring a major expansion of Bridge Street that would include several other new stores and restaurants.
The city's negotiators - Davis, Battle and Economic Development Director Michelle Jordan - told Belk they weren't interested in helping the company pull out of Madison Square.
"Our initial reaction was, no, we aren't going to work one site against another in our own market," Battle said Wednesday.


For the next few weeks, city officials, Belk representatives and Madison Square owner CBL & Associates Properties explored various scenarios for keeping Belk at the University Drive mall.
"We exhausted all efforts in keeping Belk in Madison Square," said Davis.
But as the negotiations progressed, it became clear Belk was determined to make a move. The Madison Square store "has seen sales go down to levels that would seem to be unprofitable for them," said Battle.
Davis said Belk told the city it had three locations in mind for a new $25 million flagship store: Bridge Street; Decatur Mall; or along Interstate 565 in the Madison area. (Sounds like retail blackmail
"At that point," he said, "our focus became keeping those tax dollars in Huntsville."
The resulting development agreement calls on the city to spend a maximum of $4 million on public infrastructure upgrades at Bridge Street to accommodate a 170,000-square-foot Belk and 45,000 square feet of additional shopping and dining, including a large restaurant that Davis said may be revealed next month.
Davis said about $2.5 million of the total will be spent on an underground culvert to carry rainwater from the west side of Bridge Street to a city-owned lake in nearby Cummings Research Park. The city will also pay to run new electric, water, sewer and natural gas lines to the Belk site.
Belk and Institutional Mall Investors, which acquired Bridge Street from O&S Holdings in May, will not receive any sales or property tax breaks, said Davis.
"We told them we would do what we always do to accommodate new businesses, and that's upgrade public infrastructure."
Making room for Belk and other new stores means draining and filling in most of the scenic manmade lake on the west side of Bridge Street. Davis said IMI will foot the bill for that work, and also pay to turn the large surface lot outside Red Robin into a two-story parking deck.
Meanwhile, Belk "has guaranteed to put in their highest line of apparel and product" at Bridge Street, said Davis. "It will have product lines similar to a Macy's or Nordstrom."
Belk expects to throw back the curtains on its Bridge Street store - and close its Madison Square location - in the fall of 2014. The development deal with the city says all the new stores and restaurants must open by March 31, 2015.
If Davis' projections for $60 million to $65 million in annual sales for the new Bridge Street shopping and dining come to pass, the city would gain about $2.1 million a year in sales taxes. He estimates 20 percent of that total would be new dollars not currently being spent in Huntsville.
Davis said Bridge Street now pays about $7,000 a year in property taxes on the lake. Turning that area into shopping will increase the tax bill to $472,000, he said.
Also, city officials estimate 40 percent of the construction materials will be purchased in Huntsville. That's another $900,000 in sales taxes, said Davis.
Less clear is what the loss of Belk two years from now will mean for Madison Square. Davis said owner CBL & Associates recently hired a consultant who specializes in the revitalization of large shopping centers. Open since 1984, Madison Square has about 1 million square feet of retail space.

Davis said he and Battle have had multiple conversations about the mall's future with Michael Lebovitz, CBL's executive vice president for development. Efforts to reach Lebovitz for an interview were not successful.
"They've guaranteed Mayor Battle and the city that they will not let Madison Square go dark," said Davis. "We're excited about their energy at keeping the tenants at Madison Square and putting life back into the property."
"They have a great track record at doing what they say."
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Behind the scenes on the planned Belk flagship store at Bridgestreet

Belk's recent announcement that it will relocate from Madison Square Mall to Bridge Street Town Centre in the fall of 2014 generated an onslaught of critical comments from Huntsville Times and al.com readers.

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2012/10/..._river_default

The Times sat down this week with Huntsville Director of Urban Development Shane Davis, who agreed to take readers inside the Belk negotiations that began last winter.
Davis said O&S Holdings, which owned Bridge Street until recently, first approached the city about bringing in Macy's. When Huntsville residents were surveyed in 2011 about their most-wanted stores, Macy's finished second to Trader Joe's.
But the high-end department store wanted about $20 million worth of city incentives to come to Bridge Street, said Davis, and Macy's couldn't promise that a store would stay in Huntsville long enough to recoup the investment.
Because the city generally pays off retail incentive packages over 20 years, "we need to know there's a 20-year return," Davis said Monday. "Macy's wasn't willing to make that commitment."
Neither was Nordstrom, which expressed interest in Bridge Street after Macy's. Davis said the Seattle-based department store chain was seeking roughly $12 million in incentives.
Belk entered the picture last November. Davis said the company approached the city about anchoring a major expansion of Bridge Street that would include several other new stores and restaurants.
The city's negotiators - Davis, Battle and Economic Development Director Michelle Jordan - told Belk they weren't interested in helping the company pull out of Madison Square.
"Our initial reaction was, no, we aren't going to work one site against another in our own market," Battle said Wednesday.


For the next few weeks, city officials, Belk representatives and Madison Square owner CBL & Associates Properties explored various scenarios for keeping Belk at the University Drive mall.
"We exhausted all efforts in keeping Belk in Madison Square," said Davis.
But as the negotiations progressed, it became clear Belk was determined to make a move. The Madison Square store "has seen sales go down to levels that would seem to be unprofitable for them," said Battle.
Davis said Belk told the city it had three locations in mind for a new $25 million flagship store: Bridge Street; Decatur Mall; or along Interstate 565 in the Madison area. (Sounds like retail blackmail
"At that point," he said, "our focus became keeping those tax dollars in Huntsville."
The resulting development agreement calls on the city to spend a maximum of $4 million on public infrastructure upgrades at Bridge Street to accommodate a 170,000-square-foot Belk and 45,000 square feet of additional shopping and dining, including a large restaurant that Davis said may be revealed next month.
Davis said about $2.5 million of the total will be spent on an underground culvert to carry rainwater from the west side of Bridge Street to a city-owned lake in nearby Cummings Research Park. The city will also pay to run new electric, water, sewer and natural gas lines to the Belk site.
Belk and Institutional Mall Investors, which acquired Bridge Street from O&S Holdings in May, will not receive any sales or property tax breaks, said Davis.
"We told them we would do what we always do to accommodate new businesses, and that's upgrade public infrastructure."
Making room for Belk and other new stores means draining and filling in most of the scenic manmade lake on the west side of Bridge Street. Davis said IMI will foot the bill for that work, and also pay to turn the large surface lot outside Red Robin into a two-story parking deck.
Meanwhile, Belk "has guaranteed to put in their highest line of apparel and product" at Bridge Street, said Davis. "It will have product lines similar to a Macy's or Nordstrom."
Belk expects to throw back the curtains on its Bridge Street store - and close its Madison Square location - in the fall of 2014. The development deal with the city says all the new stores and restaurants must open by March 31, 2015.
If Davis' projections for $60 million to $65 million in annual sales for the new Bridge Street shopping and dining come to pass, the city would gain about $2.1 million a year in sales taxes. He estimates 20 percent of that total would be new dollars not currently being spent in Huntsville.
Davis said Bridge Street now pays about $7,000 a year in property taxes on the lake. Turning that area into shopping will increase the tax bill to $472,000, he said.
Also, city officials estimate 40 percent of the construction materials will be purchased in Huntsville. That's another $900,000 in sales taxes, said Davis.
Less clear is what the loss of Belk two years from now will mean for Madison Square. Davis said owner CBL & Associates recently hired a consultant who specializes in the revitalization of large shopping centers. Open since 1984, Madison Square has about 1 million square feet of retail space.

Davis said he and Battle have had multiple conversations about the mall's future with Michael Lebovitz, CBL's executive vice president for development. Efforts to reach Lebovitz for an interview were not successful.
"They've guaranteed Mayor Battle and the city that they will not let Madison Square go dark," said Davis. "We're excited about their energy at keeping the tenants at Madison Square and putting life back into the property."
"They have a great track record at doing what they say."
A few thoughts:
1. Macy's is not as high end as Nordstrom and would have been a better fit for the Huntsville market. However, it is hard to see their reluctance to commit to being at Bridge Street for 20 years. Perhaps, they have seen what happened to the nearby Madison Square which had begun its decline well before its 20 yr. anniversary and feard the same fate at Bridge Street.
2. Nordstrom would have struggled in this market. How many men are going to pay $150 or more for shirts? While Nordstrom offers its own house brands, at reasonable prices, they make their profit margins on their high end designer labels which would struggle to sell here.
3. To get an idea of what a flagship Belk will look like, look at their store at the Summitt store in Birmingham to see what merchandise they will carry to distinguish the store from the typical run of the mill Belk found in small town stores across the south. While they may make claims of their flagship store being comparable to a Macy's or Nordstrom, the problem is that they already have a clientele who shop at Madison Square and they will be looking for the basic Belk brands and therefore, less space will be available for the higher end merchandise they are promising to bring to this new store.
4. The large scale restaurant new to the area could very well be The Cheesecake Factory, however, there is a good possibility that it could be the Texas based Mexican chain, Chuy's. There are Chuy's locations at the Summitt as well as several Nashville area locations. Chuy's is considerably less expensive than The Cheesecake Factory and would probably have an eaiser time making it in this market. Since they have a restaurant in Murfreesboro, TN, there is no doubt they could be profitable in this market.
5. The future of Madison Square is complicated as there several owners at the property. CBL owns the space for the small inline mall stores and adjacent parking lots, while the individual department stores own their buildings with adjacent parking lots. The situation is so bad that Belk is willing to go on paying property tax on a building that they get no revenue from - that tells you something. Perhaps, the situation is so desperate that CBL is now willing to go bold and try something innovative for that property.
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I find this pretty funny:

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Davis said Belk told the city it had three locations in mind for a new $25 million flagship store: Bridge Street; Decatur Mall; or along Interstate 565 in the Madison area.
Now, I mean absolutely no disrespect to Decatur, as I grew up in Florence... but there's no way in heck that Belk was going to put a flagship store in the River City. Consider the other flagship locations: Charlotte, Atlanta, Birmingham. They only put those stores in major cities with large populations. Decatur wouldn't have the population base themselves, and I don't think they could have pulled enough shoppers from Huntsville. If the Huntsville city leaders were too dense to see that, well...

Also, I agree with David1502: somebody needs to inform the writer of that article that Macy's is NOT a high-end department store. Perhaps in NYC at their flagship store it is, but in places like Jackson, Tennessee, it is basically Belk with a better name. Still, Macy's would have certainly been a better choice as it would have at least been a different brand in the market. Something new. Would they fill Belk's space at Madison Square? I highly doubt it, but it would be great if they did. I do have to wonder why they supposedly demanded $20 million in incentives. Using Jackson again as example, does anybody know if that city ponied up that kind of cash to lure them in? It sounds like they just didn't want to come to Huntsville. Strange.

I hope the City of Huntsville is already throwing together a contingency plan for Life After Madison Square. I'm afraid a mall built around JCPenney and Sears will not be long for this world.

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Good points above. I think Von Maur will still be a player sometime in the future.
They would be a good fit at a new revitalized Madison Square.
I think David1502 has the solution for Madison Square, a totally new innovative redo that could rival Bridge Street. Add another hotel parking deck, more outparcel restaurants, incorporate a greenway with water features, add an office tower, demand the state add lanes to Research Park Blvd and improve access to Madison Square. It's a great opportunity.
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Add another hotel parking deck, more outparcel restaurants, incorporate a greenway with water features, add an office tower, demand the state add lanes to Research Park Blvd and improve access to Madison Square. It's a great opportunity.
I like all of those ideas. The days of the traditional "mall" are dwindling, and I would love to see Huntsville be on the forefront of revitalizing an existing structure into something better suited for the 21st century.

I'm pulling for Madison Square. Heck, when I was a kid it was a treat to get to go there. It defined shopping for me back then.
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