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Old Posted May 21, 2017, 5:57 AM
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How Bad is the Homeless Problem in Your City & Is Anything Being Done to Solve It?

I live in Southern California where the problem of homelessness is totally out of control. L.A. & San Diego have some of the largest homeless populations in the nation. It seems to get worse by the day, and nothing is being done to help end it. The least thing cities could do is provide safe places where homeless can camp or park their cars (some have cars), with restrooms and showers, and security.
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I live in Southern California where the problem of homelessness is totally out of control. L.A. & San Diego have some of the largest homeless populations in the nation. It seems to get worse by the day, and nothing is being done to help end it. The least thing cities could do is provide safe places where homeless can camp or park their cars (some have cars), with restrooms and showers, and security.
You need to provoke a climate change type situation for SoCal to get colder weather. There are lots of homeless people in Montreal but I'll guarantee you one thing: in January, when it's minus 20; they all find some kind of shelter, it's a life or death thing here. Still, a ton of panhandlers strung out on tarps over icy sidewalks and slush in the wintertime...with their dogs...
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its bad. actually, it use to be manageable until all of the west coast mayors got together and came up with their hobo marketing campaign. lets call it a housing emergency!! oh boy. well its two things happening, there is indeed an affordability problem but concurrently, there is also a massive street addict problem. in portland, our dumbass former mayor went along with the campaign, and also decriminalized public camping.......bad idea......that move opened the flood gates for every neer do well to show up, get high and throw their sh!t all around. so now we have people camping in tents, camping in garbage, camping on boats, camping in trees (some dude made a treehouse) campin in rvs..... so from a policy standpoint, wheels are in motion to provide more affordable units, for people who actually have jobs, jack sh!t is being done to stem our urban hoarder problem. im very nice in person but i think we need to consider "extremely large stick" diplomacy at this point. from my very unscientific point in time study, i will estimate our street population in the inner city is mostly 25 years old or younger, lives in a tent, wears black anarchist clothes and has a campsite surrounded in garbage. its like that scene in children of men where they ambush the car in the gully and set in on fire! feral humans!! normal people dont sleep surounded by trash, not even "historical" hobos. these people (nancy reagan voice) are on drugs!! so i dunno. i moving out of downtown in two months. i gave it a good go, 20 years! but im tired of all the psychos and other crap so im off to sell my soul to the burbs, well to sellwood. hobos dont migrate that far south.
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Like any big American city, chicago has its fair share of homeless people, but the situation here is nothing at all like what I've seen in the major west coast cities.

The fact that people can literally freeze to death here in winter is a natural deterrent. Chicago is not an easy town to be homeless in.
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It's bad. It's up year over year, every year. According to this, there are 9,116 homeless people in SD County. Much of the homelessness is concentrated in pockets. And here's the breakdown:

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Men: 69 percent
Women: 29 percent
Transgender: 2 percent
Veterans: 8 percent
Chronically homeless individuals: 31 percent
Self-reported mental health issue: 39 percent
Self-reported substance abuse issue: 20 percent
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59% self report mental health and/or drug abuse. I'm sure this figure is much higher. There are a lot of young people on the streets.
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^^^^yes, the west coast is a mish mash of addicts traveling up and down the coast. we dont have transients that move about. we have squatters that set up camp! its like occupy but on drugs and without the political motivation. these are not people priced out of their homes or experiencing fall out from the recession. that was a decade ago! they may have been kicked out of their parents' homes though. id say were experiencing m.e.m.d.a..! mental emergency of out of work millenial drug addicts, not a housing emergency...people are getting high on fentanyl and losing their minds. the streets of porltand have become their last stop in life, and they appear to only be 20 years old. its like a sci fi movie. its so fucked up. i rode my bike past one cluster of tents. some hipster junkie in a pink bikini was helping her bandana over the face clad, anarchist boyfriend strip a bicycle of its parts right out on the sidewalk. they caught two junkies with a cache of stolen rifles in my neighborhood last summer and i personally caught two guys casing my townhouse. i saw them later that week on the news. they had broken into some guys house in nw portland, one was naked and kissing a man in bed. he had a knife and the homeowner shot at him. shit like this is happening all over the place. random people getting stabbed by random strangers, all sorts of wackadoo crime. so guy from a halfway house set a random stranger on FIRE three weeks ago at a dennys. cuckoo town!!! this time 5 years ago even in the middle of the recession, city streets downtown would be flush with tourists. nw 23rd was like a ghost town yesterday. the retail environment downtown sucks because homeless squatters have driven away visitors. the only bright spot is the pearl because cops probably patrol that like crazy during the day. the lents neighborhood is experiencing something quite, unique. hobos in RVs and mega squatter camps. they cleared one out last summer that had 500 tents. five hundred!! this in only may and shit is ramping. up. post this thread in august and ill have som verrry colorful stories.....
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^^^^yes, the west coast is a mish mash of addicts traveling up and down the coast. we dont have transients that move about. we have squatters that set up camp! its like occupy but on drugs and without the political motivation. these are not people priced out of their homes or experiencing fall out from the recession. that was a decade ago! they may have been kicked out of their parents' homes though. id say were experiencing m.e.m.d.a..! mental emergency of out of work millenial drug addicts, not a housing emergency...people are getting high on fentanyl and losing their minds. the streets of porltand have become their last stop in life, and they appear to only be 20 years old. its like a sci fi movie. its so fucked up. i rode my bike past one cluster of tents. some hipster junkie in a pink bikini was helping her bandana over the face clad, anarchist boyfriend strip a bicycle of its parts right out on the sidewalk. they caught two junkies with a cache of stolen rifles in my neighborhood last summer and i personally caught two guys casing my townhouse. i saw them later that week on the news. they had broken into some guys house in nw portland, one was naked and kissing a man in bed. he had a knife and the homeowner shot at him. shit like this is happening all over the place. random people getting stabbed by random strangers, all sorts of wackadoo crime. so guy from a halfway house set a random stranger on FIRE three weeks ago at a dennys. cuckoo town!!! this time 5 years ago even in the middle of the recession, city streets downtown would be flush with tourists. nw 23rd was like a ghost town yesterday. the retail environment downtown sucks because homeless squatters have driven away visitors. the only bright spot is the pearl because cops probably patrol that like crazy during the day. the lents neighborhood is experiencing something quite, unique. hobos in RVs and mega squatter camps. they cleared one out last summer that had 500 tents. five hundred!! this in only may and shit is ramping. up. post this thread in august and ill have som verrry colorful stories.....
Who the hell gets "high" on 'fentynl' lol
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Who the hell gets "high" on 'fentynl' lol
A lot more people than probably realize it:

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How The Prescription Painkiller Fentanyl Became A Street Drug
August 26, 20152:43 PM ET
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Fentanyl is a favored painkiller because it acts fast. But it's also 80 to 100 times more potent than morphine. The powerful drug has made its way to the streets and increasingly is being used to cut heroin — resulting in a deadly combination.

Fentanyl abuse first became a problem some 25 to 30 years ago, way before it started being mixed with heroin, says Dr. Neil Capretto, an addiction physician at the Gateway Rehabilitation Center in Aliquippa, Pa.

Fentanyl, Capretto explains, was originally invented to relieve pain and is often injected in patients prior to surgical procedures. The synthetic opioid can also be prescribed in a lozenge or patch to treat the severe pain associated with metastatic, colon and pancreatic cancer.

"Patterns of abuse actually began with hospital workers, anesthesiologists and nurses," Capretto says. "There were a rash of [health specialists] dying from overdose. You'd hear of them getting it in the operating rooms by drawing out fentanyl from vials and putting saline in its place." (I knew at least one individual to whom this happened, an anesthesiologist. I also knew a pharmacist who was doing something similar with cocaine used as a topical anesthetic for nasal surgery.)

Later, when take-home fentanyl patches were invented, patients began abusing the painkiller, too.

"There were occasional cases of people eating [the patches] or steeping them like tea," he says. "And because fentanyl is so powerful, we started seeing more drug overdoses and death."

In the 1980s, synthetic fentanyl became infamous as a street drug sold as China White, says Capretto. (The name was originally used as a brand for heroin.) That was pretty bad, he says, but even more dangerous is mixing heroin and fentanyl.

Today, drug dealers are addig fentanyl to heroin because it creates an intense high. Between 2005 and 2007, more than 1,000 U.S. deaths were caused by fentanyl-heroin overdoses, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration. Seizures of drugs containing the painkiller jumped from 942 to 3,334 between 2013 and 2014. In March, the DEA issued a warning on fentanyl as a "threat to public health and safety."

The combination of the two drugs makes users feel drowsy, nauseated and confused, but also euphoric.

The euphoria probably hits a lot faster when fentanyl is mixed with heroin, says Dr. J.P. Abenstein, president of the American Society of Anesthesiologists. It's that super-quick potency of fentanyl that makes it dangerous; a little can go a long way . . . .
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Toronto has a bad homeless problem due to a couple of reasons -- it's the biggest city in the country, and (with the exception of Vancouver which has a terrible homeless problem) it also has the mildest winters among the big (1000,000 +) Canadian cities.
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Toronto has a bad homeless problem due to a couple of reasons -- it's the biggest city in the country, and (with the exception of Vancouver which has a terrible homeless problem) it also has the mildest winters among the big (1000,000 +) Canadian cities.
Vancouvers homeless problem is nothing, I mean nothing, compared to what we have in LA, SD and SF. Unfortunately out here, we'd had a few propositions over the last 3 years that decriminalized a lot of misdemeanors, released a ton of the low level prisoners and a massive mental health and drug issue where these people think is fine to live in tents and filth and have no desire to get off the streets.. Add in lawsuits by the aclu and other bullshit homeless organizations any time anyone tries to do anything and at have this disaster.

Over the last 6 months, 2 multi billion dollar propositions were passed to build housing and provide services in LA County and city. We'll see what comes of it
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Vancouvers homeless problem is nothing, I mean nothing, compared to what we have in LA, SD and SF. Unfortunately out here, we'd had a few propositions over the last 3 years that decriminalized a lot of misdemeanors, released a ton of the low level prisoners and a massive mental health and drug issue where these people think is fine to live in tents and filth and have no desire to get off the streets.. Add in lawsuits by the aclu and other bullshit homeless organizations any time anyone tries to do anything and at have this disaster.

Over the last 6 months, 2 multi billion dollar propositions were passed to build housing and provide services in LA County and city. We'll see what comes of it
So the ACLU is "bullshit" now? I'm sure all the people who have had their civil rights defended by them would agree with you

Also, the homeless situation is fueled by many things. The lack of mental health care, drugs, the housing crisis, overwhelming debt, etc. I know a lot of people like to pretend that every homeless person is a lazy moocher that doesn't want to change and is also a crazy person/addict/criminal...and that is true for many. But many others are just like you and me, except they got evicted or went bankrupt from medical bills or something, and can't find a new place to stay.

Believe me, most homeless people do have a desire to get of the streets. But if it were that easy for them to do it, we wouldn't have so many homeless people, now would we?
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So the ACLU is "bullshit" now? I'm sure all the people who have had their civil rights defended by them would agree with you

Also, the homeless situation is fueled by many things. The lack of mental health care, drugs, the housing crisis, overwhelming debt, etc. I know a lot of people like to pretend that every homeless person is a lazy moocher that doesn't want to change and is also a crazy person/addict/criminal...and that is true for many. But many others are just like you and me, except they got evicted or went bankrupt from medical bills or something, and can't find a new place to stay.

Believe me, most homeless people do have a desire to get of the streets. But if it were that easy for them to do it, we wouldn't have so many homeless people, now would we?
Mostly, I disagree. There unquestionably are, over time, substantial numbers of people ("like you and me") made homeless by circumstance but studies have repeatedly shown such people fairly quickly (within weeks, a month or two) find homes or move somewhere they can: https://aspe.hhs.gov/system/files/pdf/180411/report.pdf . Very few of the long-term homeless are wthout some other disabling issue such as the ones you mentioned (drugdependence, alcoholism, illness (mental mostly)). One category you didn't mention that is slightly unique are runaway or abandoned (sometimes orphaned) youth, too young and/or naive to successfully make an independent life and often taken advantage of.

But the point here is that, aside from the quite young, most of the homeless one encounters on the street have severe mental health issues and/or sustance issues; not simply money issues or lack of a "home". That means simply offering them money or even a place to live is a wholly inadequate solution. So is offering them treatment for their problem in most cases. The irony in San Francisco is that we are one of the few cities that has a strong network of community health centers and clinics where these people can get treatment. The city even funds walk-in substance treatment in many cases*, holds regular "homeless fairs" where they can get information about what's available, and has vans patrolling the areas where one finds concentrations of homeless to offer them help. But the aggressive homeless people one increasingly encounters on our streets these days do not want and will not accept such "help" too often. By that I do not mean they won't take a handout with no strings attached, but they will not (or cannot) accept even reasonable and appropriate stings/rules/limits--even such a simple thing as showing up (using a free Muni voucher) to a mental health clinic periodically to get their medications.

I think if we ever hope to have safe streets (I have been assaulted by the "homeless" and I have friends who've been mugged by them) free of impromptu camp sites and human feces, we probably need to return to involuntary mental hospitalization for the worst of the worst.

*For over a decade I worked in such a place providing walk-in detox and other treatment for opiate and other addiction
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So the ACLU is "bullshit" now? I'm sure all the people who have had their civil rights defended by them would agree with you

Also, the homeless situation is fueled by many things. The lack of mental health care, drugs, the housing crisis, overwhelming debt, etc. I know a lot of people like to pretend that every homeless person is a lazy moocher that doesn't want to change and is also a crazy person/addict/criminal...and that is true for many. But many others are just like you and me, except they got evicted or went bankrupt from medical bills or something, and can't find a new place to stay.

Believe me, most homeless people do have a desire to get of the streets. But if it were that easy for them to do it, we wouldn't have so many homeless people, now would we?
I should have been more clear ..the aclu, as it pertains to the lawsuits against LA city and LAPD in regards to homeless issues, has acted very irresponsibly and is a major reason why nothing can be done. The homeless in LA have many many more rights than normal citizens.. They can literally do no wrong.. Drugs in the open? Sure... Pitch a tent anywhere you want? No problem.. Harass people on the daily? Be my guest. Shit, piss and jerk off any time, any where? Of course... And on and on and on.. Let's not pretend these are down on their luck folks. A majority of the homeless in downtown LA and urban LA are lunatics and /or criminals, and almost all are either drunks or drug addicts. After 8 years of living in dtla and watching this shit get worse and interacting with these "people", I'm out of compassion and sympathy for any of them
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considering there were more than 50,000 drug overdose deaths last year, id say were also having an opioid epidemic. thats twice the amount of gun death....anyone involved in the rehab profession? care to shed some light on state of current affairs? i use to be open to drug legalization, but definitely not for opiates.....
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outreach is no longer the answer on the west coast because resources are slim and being abused. portland proper has run out of charity. it got so bad, lents homeowners had a sit in on the mayors front lawn last year and protested in front of his house over the camp conditions taking over their neighborhood. you know its bad when white ladies in tie dye are protesting your "charitable" policies. out of town, RURAL and suburban charity group come into downtown portland to have food drives. they are part of the problem. is like opening a giant bag of cat food at the shelter expecting there to be no fall out. i dont know what the solution is but we shouldn't have to be responsible for every out of work addict and transient that stumbles over the county line. we're not enforcing our own rules and now we must lie in our itchy, glass strewn bed. if you are a portland homeowner, renter or business owner, YOUR rights should come first. cities are a business and we are being over run by freeloading customers. sorry im done being a humanist........i love this city but this situation sucks!!!!!
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The homeless in Portland are starting to stab random people. An innocent man died last week.

It's bad.
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The homeless in Portland are starting to stab random people. An innocent man died last week.

It's bad.
In San Francisco, two friends have told me in the last day or 2 that they or another close friend were recently "mugged".

About 2 weeks ago I had a homeless person "go off" on me for no apparent reason (we were sitting at nearby tables in a fast food place, I drinking a soda and reading the newspaper, he mumbling incoherently to himself). He started screaming at me so I moved to the back of the store where the employees took orders and he threw my soda bottle at me. The employees (belatedly) started yelling at him to leave which he finally did.

What bothers me the most is it could have been worse. There have been stabbings here too.
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In San Francisco, two friends have told me in the last day or 2 that they or another close friend were recently "mugged".

About 2 weeks ago I had a homeless person "go off" on me for no apparent reason (we were sitting at nearby tables in a fast food place, I drinking a soda and reading the newspaper, he mumbling incoherently to himself). He started screaming at me so I moved to the back of the store where the employees took orders and he threw my soda bottle at me. The employees (belatedly) started yelling at him to leave which he finally did.

What bothers me the most is it could have been worse. There have been stabbings here too.
Same story in Los Angeles as well.. They are getting worse. The only solution is revamping 5150 laws. They need to be forcefully removed from the streets immediately, and longer than 24 hours..Needs to be a min of 60 days to fully evaluate and start treatment. Enough is enough
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The situation in Edmonton isn't that bad compared to BC or California, which seem to be their respective country's dumping grounds for homeless. There was a case a few years ago with Saskatchewan (may have been a municipality, not the province) paying for one-way Greyhound tickets to Vancouver for homeless. I also never found it to be too bad in Toronto, like a previous poster mentioned.

Anyways, back to Edmonton, there has been strong, active campaigning to "end" homelessness. There have been public advertising campaigning telling people to not give spare change to panhandlers, so that they are redirected to the shelters and support centres for food and such. It seems to have helped. I remember, circa 2008, you couldn't go more than a block downtown without being panhandled at least once. Now? There are panhandlers, but I may walk 10-15 blocks before being asked for change.

On top of that, the City is implementing a "housing first" strategy, which I believe is similar to Nordic countries. The central premise of it is that before you can tackle any of the mental, substance, financial, etc issues that a homeless person may face, they need a home to live in, with their basic needs covered. From there, they can more easily begin turning themselves around (sometimes merely having a shelter is all it takes). So, the City is slowly building housing for the homeless, but it's far from complete. The smaller city of Medicine Hat, in Southern Alberta, has apparently fully eliminated homelessness through housing first.

I was sort of amazed by Quebec City. My entire stay there, I think I saw 1 homeless person. Not bad for a major city.
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Probably the weather mainly. Where else in Canada can you live outdoors year around? Certainly not Edmonton.

The US sunbelt, generally, works but much of it is politically more conservative and harsh on the homeless than the Pacific coast. In Texas, Florida, Arizona they just don't tolerate what we tolerate.

Anyway, today after posting what I posted above, I went out and, again, to a fast food joint for a large diet drink (I seem to be constantly thirsty) and a place to sit and read the Sunday paper. I was sitting at a counter and a homeless guy comes in (I have to assume he was homeless--he had a beat up wheeled suitcase bulging with his personal stuff), sets up a boom box taking up the remaining counter space, pushes past me to plug it all into the only customer-accessible outlet in sight, and begins to chill (purchasing nothing). Restaurant staff says nothing to which he might take offense, all clearly intimidated. I moved to another isolated table in the back of the store.

This sort of behavior, so common, is not that of people who simply lack a home. It is the behavior of people with a seething anger toward everyone who does have one and probably many others who don't, and a middle digit raised to the world attitude. It can easily become dangerous.

Meanwhile, have we addressed the second part of the thread title: What is being done about it? The following is a year old but not that much has changed:

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February 5, 2016 Updated: February 6, 2016 7:20pm

Visitors may wonder why one of the wealthiest cities in the world can’t cough up enough money to alleviate homelessness, but, in fact, San Francisco spends tremendous amounts of money on the problem. The city is allocating a record $241 million this fiscal year on homeless services, $84 million more than when Mayor Ed Lee took office in January 2011.

But the city struggles to track exactly how all that money is being spent and whether it’s producing results. Eight city departments oversee at least 400 contracts to 76 private organizations, most of them nonprofits, that deal with homelessness.

No single system tracks street people as they bounce among that galaxy of agencies looking for help.

That’s a major systemic weakness that’s been noted before: Fourteen years ago — a lifetime in politics — the city controller called for a single information network to ensure better tracking of homeless people as they seek services and better tracking of money spent to help them. There’s still no network and still no plan for one.

That’s a mistake, said Dr. Josh Bamberger, a UCSF professor who for many years has helped craft homeless policy in San Francisco and for President Obama.

He said few things are more crucial to tackling homelessness than having a system that tracks people through every aspect of service and that such a system has helped New Orleans, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, Phoenix and the state of Virginia make great progress.

“You have to treat the sickest homeless people first, because they use the most resources, and the only way to do that is to know exactly who and where they are and what has worked or hasn’t in each case,” Bamberger said. “Once those people are housed, you can concentrate on the rest of the population and snowball to ending homelessness” . . . .

Last month, Supervisor Aaron Peskin (who, through anti-development and excessively tolerant social polices may be responsible for some of the problem--Pedestrian) called 911 because a homeless man, naked from the waist down and his legs smeared in feces, was standing on the Filbert Steps on Telegraph Hill, screaming obscenities and blocking the path of passersby.

Currently, there’s no way for the police officer who responded or a doctor at San Francisco General Hospital to easily learn much about the man’s service profile, such as stints in rehab, which city-funded nonprofits might have tried to help him, if he receives food and shelter, or if he gets government benefits.

“There’s no question it has gotten exponentially worse,” Peskin said of homelessness in San Francisco. “How the city spends a quarter of a billion a year, I have not figured out. It’s not working” . . . .

(Near one sidewalk homeless tent city) on a recent night, in a two-hour period, one man was beaten and robbed, three fights broke out, and two men smoking methamphetamine stormed up and down the traffic median, screaming at each other and traffic for more than an hour. At least 250 people cycle in and out of the camp . . . .

The $241 million is about equivalent to the annual budget for the Public Works Department, which cleans all the city’s streets, repairs its sidewalks, cleans up illegal dumping, maintains its trees, removes graffiti and more. That much money would pay for San Francisco’s entire library system for two years.

In truth, the figure is even higher. It doesn’t include emergency services from police or the Fire Department when they respond to homeless people in crisis, because spending by those departments isn’t broken out that way.

The number is likely to grow this year. Lee is pushing a June ballot measure that would dedicate $20 million to modernize homeless shelters and build more sites like the Navigation Center in the Mission District, which temporarily houses entire camps of homeless people and tries to steer them into services . . . .

Almost half of the $241 million — $112 million — is spent on supportive housing for the formerly homeless. Nationally, permanent supportive housing that includes social workers and other care is considered the best way to end homelessness. It’s also less expensive than caring for people on the streets — $17,353 a year per person, compared with $87,480 a year for each of the 278 homeless “high users” of the city’s public medical system, Howard said.

But, as the city builds more supportive housing, it must continue to pay the cost for all those new residents. Few of the formerly homeless are ever able to find jobs, afford market-rate apartments and shrug off city support . . . .

Since January 2004, the city has moved 21,742 people off the streets. Of those, 9,286 people left with a bus ticket from Homeward Bound, at an average cost of $185 per person. The rest were housed through a variety of city programs . . . .
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