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Old Posted Jul 29, 2011, 7:03 PM
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Talking Boise Transportation Thread

Hello!

Seeing as much talk in our thread regarding transportation in the Treasure Valley, I felt it could be best to start a new thread so as not to distract too much from other non-transportation developments in the Boise Projects Thread. This thread can be a haven for us transportation enthusiasts or simply for those who are interested in stopping by and seeing what might be flying, driving, hang-gliding, and train-riding through our fair city's future.

So, to kick things off! Here's recent news, made official today:

http://www.ktvb.com/news/Alaska-Airl...126395898.html

Alaska Airlines to expand Boise-Seattle routes

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SEATTLE -- Alaska Airlines says it's expanding service on Seattle-Spokane and Seattle-Boise routes.

The airline said Friday it will add two more daily flights on each route starting Jan. 8. The flights are already available for booking.
Here's the new Seattle schedule for next summer on Alaska/Horizon (could very well change to more or less depending on how traffic holds up):
2269 BOI-SEA, 6:45am
2391 BOI-SEA, 9:15am
2655 BOI-SEA, 10:15am*
2237 BOI-SEA, 12:35pm
2133 BOI-SEA, 3:10pm
2239 BOI-SEA, 5:05pm
2363 BOI-SEA, 6:15pm
2218 BOI-SEA, 6:32pm (1-stop in Lewiston)
2657 BOI-SEA, 7:30pm*
2399 BOI-SEA, 8:50pm

*new flight

And from several different sources, it sounds like this may be the beginning of Alaska/Horizon expansion in the Boise and Spokane markets. Whether that means more frequency, more cities, or both I'm not sure yet. May not mean anything at all other than they're looking at whether the market can support it, or if not, whether there are any other advantages to adding additional flights.

Every month (though usually about once every 4-6 months or so they'll skip a month), the Boise Airport Commission will hold meetings and presentations regarding current traffic levels, details on projects, recent news, and other miscellanious stuff going on at the airport, which gives us food to munch on. http://www.cityofboise.org/Departmen.../page3840.aspx

Here's the June 2011 presentation, the July 2011 should be here shortly.
http://www.cityofboise.org/Departmen...esentation.pdf

Top 20 airports in O&D traffic out of Boise (aka all these people at the airport, where are they going?), 2Q 2010 (routes with nonstops in bold):
1. Seattle (SEA)
2. Portland (PDX)
3. Spokane (GEG)
4. Denver (DEN)
5. Salt Lake City (SLC)
6. Las Vegas (LAS)
7. Los Angeles (LAX)
8. Phoenix (PHX)
9. Oakland (OAK)

10. San Diego (SAN)
11. Reno (RNO)
12. Sacramento (SMF)
13. Minneapolis (MSP)
14. San Francisco (SFO)
15. San Jose (SJC)

16. Orange Country (SNA)
17. Dallas/Ft. Worth (DFW)
18. Chicago O'Hare (ORD)
19. Ontario, CA (ONT)
20. Orlando (MCO)

But, don't feel this thread has to be restricted to aviation or one form of transportion. This is an all-inclusive thread about anything that gets us around the Treasure Valley. Light rail news? ITD news? Highway news? Road construction news? All is welcome here!

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If you start a thread we should also include and discuss bike commuting too. We may not have light rail yet, but I would think we dominate in the MW region considering the bike culture and creative ways people here modify their bikes and bike trailers for their needs in order to not use an automobile. We could also discuss the plans in the metro for making bike commuting safer and adding the network of bike lanes to surface streets that don't currently have any.


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Completely agree. I'm a bike commuter myself so I would have plenty to contribute to that subject.

I'll wait for the thread to hunt for the Census Bureau links, but I'm pretty certain that I read in there that Boise has a higher percentage of bike commuters than San Francisco. I felt proud saying that to my brother in SF.
These two posts are from the Boise Development Thread.
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If you start a thread we should also include and discuss bike commuting too. We may not have light rail yet, but I would think we dominate in the MW region considering the bike culture and creative ways people here modify their bikes and bike trailers for their needs in order to not use an automobile. We could also discuss the plans in the metro for making bike commuting safer and adding the network of bike lanes to surface streets that don't currently have any.

bikes??? bikes are toys for children.

i'll take my coal-powered original hummer any day over a squeaky old bicycle. i love driving around, revving the engine, blaring the horn and yelling "get off my sidewalk you dang cyclists!!!"


GOD i love boise...


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bikes??? bikes are toys for children.

i'll take my coal-powered original hummer any day over a squeaky old bicycle. i love driving around, revving the engine, blaring the horn and yelling "get off my sidewalk you dang cyclists!!!"


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You've gotta show some appreciation for the spandex and lycra crowd.
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Since Cottonwood mentioned bike commuting as a good topic for this thread, I thought I'd start off on a topic that I know we've talked about before--making 8th Street a backbone of bike transportation through Downtown, from the river to the North End. I'll explain some thoughts that I've had on this matter in several parts.

The first section I'll start with is from the river to Front Street. Please note that this drawing that I put up is the most complex example. A far simpler solution is to completely shut down 8th Street to motorized traffic (especially from Myrtle to River)--and I certainly wouldn't oppose it. However, I have a feeling that there will have to be some compromise for loading zones, street parking, etc. As such, here's a compromise I came up with that tries to make it as safe as possible for the bikes:



The idea is to dedicate half of the street to a bike path, and the other half to one lane plus parking for motorists. You could separate it via a treed median (marked in bright green), just like what already exists on 8th Street in two places--behind the library and in between the 8th Street Marketplace.

Note the alternating directions of 8th Street for each block. The idea is to discourage thru traffic down the road as much as possible, and to prevent crossover between cars and bikes. For that latter reason, I also turned Fulton into a one-way westbound street, which is at quite a tricky intersection.

You'd also want to put a traffic signal at 8th and River. They really need one there right now anyway--there's a ton of pedestrian traffic that uses the crosswalk signal anyway. There will also need to be some green paint on the intersections with Myrtle and River as proper guides.

Finally, look at the top of the map at Front Street. I would get rid of that stupid bend in the road that makes absolutely no sense for bikes to try and get across.
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I just noticed this thread, and it is a good topic for Boise.
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Since Cottonwood mentioned bike commuting as a good topic for this thread, I thought I'd start off on a topic that I know we've talked about before--making 8th Street a backbone of bike transportation through Downtown, from the river to the North End. I'll explain some thoughts that I've had on this matter in several parts.

The first section I'll start with is from the river to Front Street. Please note that this drawing that I put up is the most complex example. A far simpler solution is to completely shut down 8th Street to motorized traffic (especially from Myrtle to River)--and I certainly wouldn't oppose it. However, I have a feeling that there will have to be some compromise for loading zones, street parking, etc. As such, here's a compromise I came up with that tries to make it as safe as possible for the bikes:



The idea is to dedicate half of the street to a bike path, and the other half to one lane plus parking for motorists. You could separate it via a treed median (marked in bright green), just like what already exists on 8th Street in two places--behind the library and in between the 8th Street Marketplace.

Note the alternating directions of 8th Street for each block. The idea is to discourage thru traffic down the road as much as possible, and to prevent crossover between cars and bikes. For that latter reason, I also turned Fulton into a one-way westbound street, which is at quite a tricky intersection.

You'd also want to put a traffic signal at 8th and River. They really need one there right now anyway--there's a ton of pedestrian traffic that uses the crosswalk signal anyway. There will also need to be some green paint on the intersections with Myrtle and River as proper guides.

Finally, look at the top of the map at Front Street. I would get rid of that stupid bend in the road that makes absolutely no sense for bikes to try and get across.
This is an amazing idea. I take 8th street everyday to work and it serves me pretty well, but an exclusive bike path would be awesome!
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Thanks for the kudos, folks.

I'm sorry I haven't had time to continue the 8th Street series, but in the meantime, I have some real life news to deliver on that front. In the CCDC portion of 8th Street, they have painted double yellow lines right down the middle of the street--which would seem to indicate that some form of two-way traffic is in the works. I'll try and remember to take a picture of it this afternoon.

I'm not sure what to think yet, as I'm not sure what their intentions are. It's not like the portion of 8th between Front and Broad that's offset for a bike-only lane southbound. They also still have the parking bays on the east side of the road, which would make traveling northbound very tricky, if not impossible, by car. It would seem dangerous to have southbound cars swerve into those spots while northbound bikes come, though.

It's also weird that they'd paint this lines without putting northbound branches on the traffic signals.

Thoughts?
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Cycling news Evo5Boise posted in the main Boise thread...


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Boise made #2 on this list for Great Cities for Cycling.

http://local.msn.com/slideshow/slide...5174&GT1=24000
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Thanks for the kudos, folks.

I'm sorry I haven't had time to continue the 8th Street series, but in the meantime, I have some real life news to deliver on that front. In the CCDC portion of 8th Street, they have painted double yellow lines right down the middle of the street--which would seem to indicate that some form of two-way traffic is in the works. I'll try and remember to take a picture of it this afternoon.

I'm not sure what to think yet, as I'm not sure what their intentions are. It's not like the portion of 8th between Front and Broad that's offset for a bike-only lane southbound. They also still have the parking bays on the east side of the road, which would make traveling northbound very tricky, if not impossible, by car. It would seem dangerous to have southbound cars swerve into those spots while northbound bikes come, though.

It's also weird that they'd paint this lines without putting northbound branches on the traffic signals.

Thoughts?
And now they've painted the bike logo on the road:



I tried it out yesterday, and while it gets the job done, it still feels a bit unnerving to have moving cars on one side and parked cars on the other, both going the opposite direction. It would make more sense if they moved the parking to the other side of the road. Of course, that would cost more money, so at least this is better than nothing.

I'll also be annoyed when the loading trucks stop in the bike lane...oh well.
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I'll also be annoyed when the loading trucks stop in the bike lane...oh well.
Well, perhaps this is mitigated a bit. According to this video, they're turning the parking down the CCDC section into a load only zone from 6-10 AM.

http://www.boiseweekly.com/CityDesk/...treet-downtown

Still, in just watching that video, you can see that some of those trucks are so big they're still going to take over the bike lane as well....
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I saw that at BW.Com and at first thought they were announcing no more cars on 8th Street just delivery trucks, then I saw the rest of the story. It would be so nice to have 8th shut off to autos (except for deliveries trucks for the shops and restuarants) and turn the street into an extension of The Grove.
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Anyone see the Illyushin IL-76 in Boise today? Man that thing is a beast, a very rare sight at the airport (at least I've never seen it here before). I went out to the airport after hearing it was coming in and lo and behold there it was. Got some pretty cool photos of it, will upload later.

Here's what it looked like:
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OMG no fair!!!! wish i could have been there to have seen that!
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This is a small thing, but they are installing a pedestrian signal at the intersection of Capitol and Broad. I'll try to put a picture up of it later.

This is certainly better than nothing--plenty of people want to walk across there but have a real difficult time doing so. However, they should have put a full traffic signal there. Cars also have difficulty getting across, and my greatest fear is that there may be no synchronization with the rest of the signals on Capitol. If that signal goes off when the rest of the lights on Capitol are green, there will be severe gridlock at rush hour.
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This is a small thing, but they are installing a pedestrian signal at the intersection of Capitol and Broad. I'll try to put a picture up of it later.

This is certainly better than nothing--plenty of people want to walk across there but have a real difficult time doing so. However, they should have put a full traffic signal there. Cars also have difficulty getting across, and my greatest fear is that there may be no synchronization with the rest of the signals on Capitol. If that signal goes off when the rest of the lights on Capitol are green, there will be severe gridlock at rush hour.
Here we go. I'm sure they'll add another pole on the other side of the road.

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This is a small thing, but they are installing a pedestrian signal at the intersection of Capitol and Broad. I'll try to put a picture up of it later.

This is certainly better than nothing--plenty of people want to walk across there but have a real difficult time doing so. However, they should have put a full traffic signal there. Cars also have difficulty getting across, and my greatest fear is that there may be no synchronization with the rest of the signals on Capitol. If that signal goes off when the rest of the lights on Capitol are green, there will be severe gridlock at rush hour.
According to ACHD's Road Wizard, there will also be another ped signal at Capitol and Grove. Awesome!

http://www.achdidaho.org/Departments...s.aspx?MID=261

Though, I don't like that you'll have to push a button to activate the signals. I always get super annoyed at 8th and Front when you don't get there in time to push the button (or everyone else already there forgets to do it), you wait forever for the next cycle since all those cars have to go down Front. They should just change automatically with the rest of the synchronization.
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In class at the moment, so can't post a lot, but just saw in IBR an article about the Airport accepting architectural proposals for the parking garage expansion.... Finally, about time this thing gets done!! Damn NIMBYs.
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