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^ Nice. So rent hasn't gone up city wide *that* much. Now overlay another line for the income trend.

Oh yeah and when I was talking about education increase for Chicago, this is what I'm talking about. 5 year ACS 2010 versus 2015 for Bachelor's degree or higher education attainment for population of 25+ years old. When I put something like +3%, it means that for example it may have gone from 30% to 33%. These are the top 10 most populous cities.

1. Chicago: +3.31%
2. Philadelphia: +3.24%
3. NYC: +2.38%
4. San Jose: +2.23%
5. Houston: +2.18%
6. San Diego: +2.16%
7. Los Angeles: +1.73%
8. Dallas: +1.59%
9. San Antonio: +1.35%
10. Phoenix: +1.26%

Now expand that out to way more cities:
1. DC: +5.38%
2. St. Louis: +5.02%
3. Denver: +4.85%
4. Portland: +4.31%
5. Minneapolis: +3.84%
6. Seattle: +3.79%
7. Baltimore: +3.53%
8. Nashville: +3.34%
9. Chicago: +3.31%
10. Philadelphia: +3.24%
11. Atlanta: +2.98%
12. Boston: +2.79%
13.Kansas City: +2.74%
14. Louisville: +2.69%
15. Memphis: +2.68%
16. San Francisco: +2.61%
17. Cleveland: +2.58%
18. NYC: +2.38%
19. Milwaukee: +2.30%
20. Columbus: +2.29%
21. Jacksonville: +2.27%
22. San Jose: +2.23%
23. Houston: +2.18%
24. Miami: +2.17%
25T. Charlotte: +2.16%
25T. San Diego: +2.16%
27. Oklahoma City: +2.09%
28. El Paso: +1.89%
29. Los Angeles: +1.73%
30. Detroit: +1.66%
31T. Dallas: +1.59%
31T. Fort Worth: +1.59%
33. Raleigh: +1.54%
34. San Antonio: +1.35%
35. Phoenix: +1.26%
36. Las Vegas: +1.19%
37. Indianapolis: +0.97%
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Amen.

For anyone who's interested or anyone who wants to make the argument that there isn't a lack of affordable housing, here's the chart I put together of Home values and rents.

So upper quartile rents have risen while lower quartile rents are basically flat. The median rents have risen basically with the rate of inflation. This seems to line up exactly with the notion that the poorest Chicagoans are leaving causing prices for the cheapest apartments to stagnant while wealthy new Chicagoans are pouring in and depleting the supply of high end units causing the prices of such units to rise.
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Looks like Barcelona Housing Systems is pretty serious about their proposal for the U.S. Steel Site

Rahm Emanuel gung-ho about U.S. Steel project, alderman says
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Top mayoral aides met this week with developers planning to build 12,000 modular homes, along with a factory to manufacture them, on the 430-acre site of the old U.S. Steel South Works plant amid word that Mayor Rahm Emanuel is gung-ho about the project.

“The mayor told me personally that he is committed to helping this project get off the ground,” said Ald. Susan Sadlowski Garza (10th), whose ward includes the site.
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According to Garza, the developers talked about being “six weeks away from signing a contract” with U.S. Steel and about awaiting results of an environmental study of the 430-acre site.

They assured top mayoral aides they have the financing and the expertise to pull off the massive development on a site that has sat stubbornly vacant for far too long.

“They have the financing. . . . They wouldn’t have gotten to this point if they didn’t,” Garza said Thursday.
Reifman and Koch could not be reached and the mayor’s office had no immediate comment.

But, a top mayoral aide who asked to remain anonymous acknowledged Emanuel’s enthusiasm for the project. “We’re all very excited about it. It seems like a very strong proposal. We are encouraged and supportive of what’s happening,” the aide said....
https://www.google.com/amp/chicago.s...rman-says/amp/

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Looks like Barcelona Housing Systems is pretty serious about their proposal for the U.S. Steel Site

Rahm Emanuel gung-ho about U.S. Steel project, alderman says
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So upper quartile rents have risen while lower quartile rents are basically flat. The median rents have risen basically with the rate of inflation. This seems to line up exactly with the notion that the poorest Chicagoans are leaving causing prices for the cheapest apartments to stagnant while wealthy new Chicagoans are pouring in and depleting the supply of high end units causing the prices of such units to rise.
I'm not sure you can infer a decrease in demand from the 75% of the prices that kept pace with inflation. It would be equally valid to assume that 25% of the population are bumpkins who never learned to haggle.

The one thing you can conclude, is that whenever you see on of those Domu charts about rents in Lake View, it only applies 25% of the population and the rest can shake their heads and say "rich peoples problems".
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What article are you quoting? Please show.
Its here in the Sun-Times:

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/rah...alderman-says/
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Louisvanderwright is spot on in his assessment. The schools in Chicago that are rated and test poorly have almost no parental involvement. The parents don't care about education so neither do their children. I worked as a part time janitor in college and became friends with many of the teachers. On parent teacher night and parent teacher conferences, all of their best students parents showed up. The parents of kids with academic challenges or behavior issues were nowhere to be found. We could spend 30k per student at these schools and the test scores would still be terrible.
That's a very simplistic assumption. A LOT of parents can't go to parent teacher night because of things like working multiple bad jobs just to make rent and put food on the table. A LOT of parents in the city would love for their children to do well in school but simply don't know how to make that happen - and nobody is helping them out.

We've all been told that the we as parents are able to exercise control and hold schools accountable through our elected local school councils, which makes up for the fact that the CPS board is appointed with no public input. Are you aware of all the schools on the south and west sides that have had their elected local school councils abolished and full control of those schools handed over to organizations that are unaccountable to parents, taxpayers and even CPS?

Go ahead and FOIA one of those contracts. Once you've read one, I dare you to claim poor school performance is simply a lack of parental involvement.
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What's the racial breakdown on coming/leaving?
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I just signed a contract with a buyer at $395k for a gut rehabbed 5 bed, 2.5 bath bungalow I renovated just outside of Avondale and Old Irving Park in Belmont Cragin. While that might sound pricey, it's totally affordable for a household with $100k/yr combined income. Similar houses that haven't been totally rebuilt sell for $250k in good condition in that area. If you think Chicago has an affordability problem you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

And on the point of school quality, I've repeated myself like a broken record: CPS does not have a funding problem, it does not have a teacher problem, it does not have a facilities problem, it does not have a violence problem, it has a parent problem. The reason so many schools are poor quality is that the students in them come from families that are unwilling or unable to provide the necessary support and involvement to give their kids the education they need. As soon as parents with the resources or family structure necessary to support their children's education move into an area, the schools start to change overnight. This is no secret and has been happening constantly as the gentrification has spread outwards from the north side. Anecdotal example: Schurz High School on the NW side which was notoriously poor quality and even dangerous just five or ten years ago has been coopted by legions of yuppies piling into Avondale, Portage Park, and Old Irving Park. It now ranks much higher in quality and features international baccalaureate programs. This change will only continue to intensify over the coming years and the improving school quality in the area jacks up land values creating a virtuous (or evil if you ask the Somos Logan square commies) feedback loop. Now you can find quarter block or larger developments of $500k new SFHs even West of Cicero and South of Irving.

But I digress, the point is that If you took the entire staff and facilities of the worst school in Chicago, lifted it up on jacks and rolled it into Lincoln Park and populated it with Lincoln Park students, it would become one of the best schools in the city instantly. People talk about school quality as if it is some sort of permanent rigid thing totally impermutable rock lodged in the sands of time when in reality it is totally fluid and linked almost solely to the resources dedicated to pupils outside of classroom hours.
This is 100% true.
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What's the racial breakdown on coming/leaving?
From 2010-2015, every racial group other than African Americans has grown in the City of Chicago. The city is losing a lot of African Americans. CPS had 10,000 fewer students this year than last. All because of African Americans.

As marothisu alluded to earlier, the City is seeing a large influx of households making $100,000+ and people with 4 year college degrees. It is losing lower income households and less well educated.
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What's the racial breakdown on coming/leaving?
Here is the ACS data for 2010 and 2015.

2010:


and 2015:


In this time frame, the city gained 14,000 people in total, from 2.703 million to 2.717 million. The Black population dropped almost 70,000, from 33.7% of total population to 30.9%. Hispanic population increased 37,000 from 27.9% to 29.1% of total population. White population increased 16,000 from 31.8% to 32.2% of total population. Asian population increased 17,000 from 5.3% to 5.9% of total population.
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"Go ahead and FOIA one of those contracts. Once you've read one, I dare you to claim poor school performance is simply a lack of parental involvement."

While it is not the only cause, lack of parental involvement is the largest cause for underperformance.
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^ Nice. So rent hasn't gone up city wide *that* much. Now overlay another line for the income trend.
Area Median Income, as calculated by HUD across the entire MSA, has been essentially stagnant for the last decade. Top earners are earning more, but those who need affordable housing are seeing their wages flat or even in decline relative to inflation.

The city's supply of affordable housing is indeed shrinking, due to gentrification (gut rehabs and deconversions) plus casualty loss and demolition/condemnation. However, if the loss of affordable housing is equaled by a corresponding decline in the number of people seeking that housing, then the city doesn't have a high rent problem.
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FWIW, its important to remember that its typically not the lowest of the low (economically speaking) who leave, but usually people who, while of low to moderate income, are hopeful and ambitious to improve their lot in life. These people are or will be eventually contributing to the economy/tax base of wherever they end up. Given the credit card bill this state and city have run up, it'd be better if we could keep ever productive, tax-paying citizen we can hold on to.
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Area Median Income, as calculated by HUD across the entire MSA, has been essentially stagnant for the last decade. Top earners are earning more, but those who need affordable housing are seeing their wages flat or even in decline relative to inflation.

The city's supply of affordable housing is indeed shrinking, due to gentrification (gut rehabs and deconversions) plus casualty loss and demolition/condemnation. However, if the loss of affordable housing is equaled by a corresponding decline in the number of people seeking that housing, then the city doesn't have a high rent problem.
That's true across the country though. Incomes had been stagnant. They have risen the last few years. I believe the 2017 release on median incomes is very soon.
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That's a very simplistic assumption. A LOT of parents can't go to parent teacher night because of things like working multiple bad jobs just to make rent and put food on the table. A LOT of parents in the city would love for their children to do well in school but simply don't know how to make that happen - and nobody is helping them out.

We've all been told that the we as parents are able to exercise control and hold schools accountable through our elected local school councils, which makes up for the fact that the CPS board is appointed with no public input. Are you aware of all the schools on the south and west sides that have had their elected local school councils abolished and full control of those schools handed over to organizations that are unaccountable to parents, taxpayers and even CPS?

Go ahead and FOIA one of those contracts. Once you've read one, I dare you to claim poor school performance is simply a lack of parental involvement.
No one is saying these parents are evil bad people because they don't give their kids the resources they need. That's obviously at the root of the problem; as I said above: "Parents who are unwilling or unable to be involved in their children's education". It is also worth mentioning that there is another issue where you have parents who are probably able to help their kids do well, but unwilling to do so because they simply don't know any better. That's a huge problem in the African American community where family structures have been repeatedly broken down since they were first brought over as slaves. They may have the time to help their kids, but because there is no social norm encouraging them to read to their kids daily or whatnot, they don't do it. Many people simply weren't raised themselves to know what things need to be done to help a kid do well in school.

None of these issues are the parents fault, it's an endless cycle that results in generation after generation not filling their full potential and therefore passing an uphill battle to reach their full potential on to their children. Ultimately that's why the gradual dissolution of these areas of concentrated poverty is necessary and a good thing. The only way you break that cycle is by breaking the entrenched feedback loop that occurs almost solely in these communities (or for poor rural communities in Appalachia for that matter). Unfortunately we still have very racist laws that allow white suburban communities with the resources to free some of the people from these areas from that cycle to deny access to section 8 tenants. Frankly the biggest positive step in the direction of ending racial poverty lines would be to have a court ruling it unconstitutional for places like Lake Forest or Barrington to not participate in Section 8. We already have a law making Section 8 a protected class in Cook County, but the fact remains that Chicago and a few of it's inner suburbs continue to carry almost the entire burden of poverty in the whole metro area. That's not right.

If every wealthy suburb took in just a dozen families a year from Lawndale, Austin, Englewood, etc via section 8, there would be no noticeable impact for the residents of those communities, but for the dozen families it would be life changing. In suburbs like that the norm is that everyone goes to college. The question for a Barrington High Junior is "where are you going to college?" not "will you graduate high school". Those types of basic social expectations alone go a long way towards pushing kids to excel and once they are out of the cycle of poverty, it's unlikely they will ever fall back into it.
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Apologies, it's fixed now. As you can see, it was pretty late when I posted the article
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"Go ahead and FOIA one of those contracts. Once you've read one, I dare you to claim poor school performance is simply a lack of parental involvement."

While it is not the only cause, lack of parental involvement is the largest cause for underperformance.
Maybe I'm too cynical. Maybe the people that run these schools are altruistic.

When the only way to end a no-strings-attached stream of money is to improve student performance, it comes as no surprise to me that these schools are the only ones in the city that show the smallest improvements.

When these schools regularly announce parent meetings only a few hours before they happen, I tend to think that they are getting exactly the parental involvement that they are looking to get.

I'll say no more.
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