AUSTIN: Green Water Treatment Plant & Seaholm Power Plant Redevelopment Update Thread - Page 29

KevinFromTexas · #**561** Posted **Aug 21, 2013, 12:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by H2O

Did y'all not notice that this design is for Hanover, not Trammell Crow? TC is acting as Master Developer and selling the block to Hanover, who hired their own architect.

By the way, Hanover also did Ashton. I'd say the quality of this building is better than Ashton, but is it right for the location? I'm not sure.

Jdawgboy · #**562** Posted **Aug 21, 2013, 2:14 PM**

I wouldn't want twin towers but the 2011 design is much more interesting and having one building designed like that would be better than this. The coloration, the crown, the way it is tied together with the streetscape made more of an impact. Is the 2011 the best? No but it is light years ahead of this design.

austlar1 · #**563** Posted **Aug 21, 2013, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by H2O

I think y'all are taking the rendering a little too literally. I don't think the glass is actually black. Look at the color of the glass next door at Silicon Labs in the rendering. It is not actually that dark in reality.

As far as thinking that comments on this board influenced White Lodging to change the design of the JW, you make me laugh. They changed the design because they saw an opportunity with the Austin market to go upscale. The Fairmont forced their hand, not SP Forum.

As for bait and switch, Trammell Crow wasn't chosen based on public comment of the design. It was a land sale, not a design competition. If it was, Stratus would have gotten the job. Trammell Crow got the deal because they made the best offer to the City. The designs were preliminary, and have evolved. Did y'all not notice that this design is for Hanover, not Trammell Crow? TC is acting as Master Developer and selling the block to Hanover, who hired their own architect.

Glad to make you laugh, but I think you are only partially correct. The local media focused on public criticism of the bland original White Lodging proposals. White was still looking for concessions or incentives from the city. Then along came the Fairmount proposal with its sexy design. There were possibly multiple factors at work.

Could you provide more information about the involvement of Hanover in the Green Water project? I can't find anything online that even mentions it, but I may not be doing a proper search.

lzppjb · #**564** Posted **Aug 21, 2013, 5:17 PM**

Hanover is listed at the bottom of the recent rendering.

Syndic · #**565** Posted **Aug 21, 2013, 6:12 PM**

I don't get the obsession with blue glass and light colors.

hookem · #**566** Posted **Aug 21, 2013, 6:40 PM**

Someone should email the architects* and ask about the materials. Are the windows really black? Are the colors subject to change?

* Assuming they have email. They may just be listed in the yellow pages.

lzppjb · #**567** Posted **Aug 21, 2013, 6:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by hookem

Someone should email the architects* and ask about the materials. Are the windows really black? Are the colors subject to change?

* Assuming they have email. They may just be listed in the yellow pages.

Flybynight Arkyteks

hookem · #**568** Posted **Aug 21, 2013, 7:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by lzppjb

Flybynight Arkyteks

Aren't they represented by Saul Goodman and Associates?

lzppjb · #**569** Posted **Aug 21, 2013, 7:50 PM**

Dewey, Cheatham & Howe

austlar1 · #**570** Posted **Aug 21, 2013, 8:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by lzppjb

Hanover is listed at the bottom of the recent rendering.

OK, I saw the Hanover Company logo along with the Trammell Crow logo on the render you referenced. I can't find anything else online about Hanover's involvement in this project. I even looked at Hanover's own website. This project is not listed among their developing projects. Was there an announcement or press release regarding Hanover's involvement?

lzppjb · #**571** Posted **Aug 22, 2013, 12:25 PM**

I was wondering about the Energy Control Center towers that were a part of this project. I read an old article from 2010 that stated the earliest they could purchase the land was March 2013 after the center relocated. I then saw that the relocation was finalized in April of this year.

Does anyone know if the land, 301 West Ave, has been sold by the City yet?

_Matt · #**572** Posted **Aug 22, 2013, 3:53 PM**

Based on my observations, the property is still being maintained by the city. The air conditioners are running and there is usually a single car (I assume security) in the lot 24/7.

The ATX · #**573** Posted **Aug 23, 2013, 6:24 PM**

SSP gets a mention in the Austin Business Journal concerning this project:

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/bl...ing-shape.html

MightyYoda · #**574** Posted **Aug 23, 2013, 6:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hill Country

SSP gets a mention in the Austin Business Journal concerning this project:

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/bl...ing-shape.html

Oh man, they quoted the Galleria comparison post. That's great!

smith_atx · #**575** Posted **Aug 23, 2013, 8:12 PM**

MichaelB is famous!

austlar1 · #**576** Posted **Aug 23, 2013, 8:59 PM**

I think the posted article kind of illustrates my point that the comments and criticism made on this site do not go un-noticed by the media and probably by the developers of these various projects.