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Old Posted Jan 1, 2012, 2:28 PM
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I couldn't resist.


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I'm sorry I lost my temper, but once you start "sanitizing" history, it ceases to be truthful. Censoring individual words may seem trivial to you, but what if an academic is researching the usage of pejorative racial terms in L.A. history? Your censored articles won't show up in web searches. How, exactly, is that a good thing?

The reason I stopped contributing is because there are a ton of people here who are vastly more knowledgeable about L.A. history than I am, and I now prefer to simply sit back, listen and learn. I'm sorry I actually dared to speak up with a dissenting opinion. I know my words were unnecessarily harsh, but so were yours, Bruce. You may have started this thread, but it doesn't give you the right to bully someone off of it just because they disagree with you. ...Again, I apologize.
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When I saw your original post I wasn't sure if it was directed to me (for first broaching the issue with the map with the N. Hill reference), or GW, or e_r, or all us. Perhaps it doesn't matter but for my part, apology accepted.

I don't think anyone objected to your dissenting opinion - only the startling vitriol with which it was expressed. One reason I love this thread is that when controversial issues have arisen, the participants have always remained polite. It's about the only place on the internet where I have seen that and courtesy factor means almost as much to me as the awesome content here. It lets me enter tricky ground like this and the Barney's Beanery topic without having to worry about "blowing up" the thread.

I gave your comments a lot of thought. (Partly because I'm recovering from a little medical procedure this week, and being unable to celebrate New Years with wife and friends, was housebound last night!) e_r and others responded to your comments quickly and I saw no point in piling on, but now that we've gotten polite again, I would like to reply.

First, have to say that I despise the term "politically correct", especially in this context. My avoidance of the "N word" had nothing to do with politics or societal pressure. It was about my personal choice and boundaries. I wouldn't object if you use here it in an academic context...but I won't.

About the time I posted the map here I emailed it to my mom. I did use the "N" word in the subject box when I wrote her, because I knew that she'd understand the context and where I was coming from. But using it verbatim in a public place is different to me.

By avoiding or obscuring the N word, I guess I was nonverbally saying two things. First, that I hate the word and wouldn't it unless referring to something historical among close friends. (Actually, I don't think I've ever used it in public...so why start here?)

Secondly, I think that repeating the word verbatim gives it a little more currency. Do you remember Lenny Bruce's famous rap about this? In essence he said, (and I'm paraphrasing, obscuring the words), if President Kennedy got on television and said it over and over, and used the word with every black man he saw, the word would lose its power, and you could never again make a black child cry when he came home from school. Well, Lenny Bruce was a great and brilliant comic, but I disagree. The historical facts can't be undone by repeating the word, and I don't think anyone really wants to hear it.

You did make a good point with your comment "What if an academic is researching the usage of pejorative racial terms in L.A. history? Your censored articles won't show up in web searches".That is true (or would have been true, except that the word appeared in e_r's reply). I can only respond that 1; there is a lot of other important history here that's not recorded in text and thus not searchable and 2; at least some skinhead moron won't find the map I posted and stick a print on his wall.

I guess I've said enough. You're welcome to reply, but I think I'll end here. Thanks again for the thoughtful follow up. Happy new years to you Scott, and everyone else here. This just might be the best place on the internet, ever.

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Old Posted Jan 1, 2012, 6:16 PM
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I know my words were unnecessarily harsh, but so were yours, Bruce. You may have started this thread, but it doesn't give you the right to bully someone off of it just because they disagree with you.
-Scott
Believe it or not Scott, I actually agree with what you said about revisionists...so your accusation that I was bullying you
off the thread is absolutely ridiculous.
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Can we please dispense with all this negativity and get back to the thread. Los Angeles deserves better.

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Old Posted Jan 1, 2012, 6:32 PM
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[QUOTE=GaylordWilshire;5533943]American Journal of Public Health
I've never seen this great shot of the iconic L.A. County General under construction.

I was born in LA County General on November 2, 1934...just about a year after it's official opening in December of 1933...any idea of what they are using it for these days...after the opening of the "new" hospital a few years ago?
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Old Posted Jan 1, 2012, 6:48 PM
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The title of that Outer Limits episode I mentioned earlier in the thread is.....


united artists television/original air date was October 17, 1964.



united artists television




below: A screen-grab showing the basement of the Bradbury Building. Sorry for the poor quality.


united artists television


below: The basement stairs leading up to the atrium.


united artists television



below: Wonderful grillwork on the atrium elevator.


united artists television


below: Robert Culp takes a flying leap.


united artists television



Below: A view of the atrium floor from above (almost abstract drenched in so much shadow).
Actually, the whole episode is extremely dark and dank.....there are even puddles in the basement.


united artists television



below: Running for their lives.


united artists television

....more to come.

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Old Posted Jan 1, 2012, 7:26 PM
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Demon with a Glass Hand continued...


A couple more shots of the atrium elevator.


united artists television



united artists television


below: Run, Bob, Run.


united artists television


below: cruising?


united artists television





below: This one is very interesting. A view out a window to the street below.
This definitely looks like a real street/sidewalk (as opposed to a backlot), but I don't think The Bradbury Building ever had a lit marquee.
Perhaps another building was used, like the Million Dollar Theater directly across the street.


united artists television


below: Space alien from the planet Raccoon.


united artists television



below: Contemplating the glass demon-hand.


united artists television



below: A tenant's door in the Bradbury Building.


united artists television


below: The next two screen-grabs show a tacky counter in the atrium lobby. I would have removed these for the shoot.


united artists television



united artists television


below: The aliens in what looks like a space-age textile mill (it isn't....it's a portal of some sort)


united artists television


below: The female lead exits the building (and goes to her guest starring role on Bonanza)



THE END

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Old Posted Jan 1, 2012, 7:48 PM
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You can view the entire 'Demon with a Glass Hand' episode on youtube (in 6 parts).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImaly19Yps

I guess I could have told you this before you suffered through all my screen-grabs.

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ethereal_reality, the Kirkland map is really fascinating! Thanks for sharing it.

I'm also a big fan of the original Twilight Zone and Outer Limits series, especially the latter. Visiting the Bradbury Building for the first time was a thrill for me largely because I knew it so well from having seen that episode of the Outer Limits so many times.

Here's a frame grab of another location used on The Outer Limits, from an episode called "Cold Hands, Warm Heart." The black building on the right was then (1964) part of the campus of TRW, one of several major aerospace companies in the South Bay area. Those buildings still exist at Aviation Blvd. and Marine Ave. in Redondo Beach, but they're now owned by Northrop Grumman.

I grew up just a few blocks away from here. The rounded building in the background housed the pool at Aviation High School, just to the south of the TRW campus. The school is gone now (demolished in the early 80s in an incredibly short-sighted move by the idiots in charge at the time) but the building that housed the pool remains.


[source: MGM/UA]

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Old Posted Jan 1, 2012, 9:56 PM
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Excellent, cleats-- as much as I like a voluptuously vegetated old house in terms of atmosphere, it is great to see this one "unvegetated"--and they even removed the metal fence. Now that's something you don't see very often... a fence being removed from the front yard of an old L.A. house....
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Old Posted Jan 1, 2012, 11:06 PM
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below: This one is very interesting. A view out a window to the street below.
This definitely looks like a real street/sidewalk (as opposed to a backlot), but I don't think The Bradbury Building ever had a lit marquee.
Perhaps another building was used, like the Million Dollar Theater directly across the street.

united artists television
Well, if it's a downtown movie theater, maybe it was the Broadway, just down the street at 428:

LAPL
The building is still there, but the marquee is gone.

...or maybe it was the Rialto, farther down Broadway at 812 (still there, including marquee)...

Alley Quest

Anyway, these are the only squared-off downtown theater marquees I could find....
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Those are some pretty good possibilities G_W. Leave it to you to notice that the squared-off marquee was rather unique.
I notice there is brickwork under the marquee in the Outer Limits pic, so I took google street view down Broadway to try and see if either of these addresses still had this brickwork. I didn't see any.

Maybe the window scene wasn't filmed downtown at all. Perhaps it was filmed at a theater in close proximity to United Artists.
This is obviously a shot in the dark...but it's fun to go exploring the possibility.

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Excellent, cleats-- as much as I like a voluptuously vegetated old house in terms of atmosphere, it is great to see this one "unvegetated"--and they even removed the metal fence. Now that's something you don't see very often... a fence being removed from the front yard of an old L.A. house....
...and no bars on the doors or windows...(like next door)...
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From an old Hollywood Chamber Of Commerce map (personal collection.)

At Sunset and Ogden, where there's a Bank Of America now. Couldn't find a period photo of the place, but looks like a fun night out, doesn't it? The San Francisco branch is still open and seems to get good reviews. Will have to put it on my list.

Thirty-two colorful dishes!

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I have in my possession by virtue of having owned a scanner when most people didn't a travel journal kept by a deceased advertising executive when he visited Hollywood in the summer of 1954 at the age of twenty-two as a well heeled and well connected art student.



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I finally had time to go back and find the spot that I was talking about; it is the LA96 Nike Missile Site.

http://blogging.la/2008/06/23/favori...-control-site/

There is a spectacular view from the top.
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Here is another article I found about the missile sites:

http://www.laalmanac.com/history/hi08.htm
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2012, 4:42 AM
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Four photogravure prints found on ebay.







below: I believe this is the P. Max Kuehnrich residence at 19 Chester Place.











below: The Plaza Church with Los Angeles High School's clock tower in the distance.






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Here's a clearer look at the marquee from "Demon With a Glass Hand," taken from the DVD release. Looks to me like the visible letters in the sign are "...TERION."


[source: MGM Home Video]

While I'm at it, I thought I'd add another couple of frame grabs. This is a closeup of the building directory on the ground floor; I assume these are the actual businesses that occupied the Bradbury Building in 1964.


[source: MGM Home Video]

Finally, a creepy and beautifully noirish shot looking up through the atrium.



Director Byron Haskin commented:
"Out at the Bradbury, we had to wait until it was dark and we were sleepy before we could shoot. We had to eat at a nearby beanery, and the gastric problems developed by the whole crew caused quite a stench during the longer setups. One night we surprised a pair of thieves who were burglarizing an office there — I guess they didn't foresee a camera crew showing up."
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Here's a clearer look at the marquee from "Demon With a Glass Hand," taken from the DVD release. Looks to me like the visible letters in the sign are "...TERION."


[source: MGM Home Video]
Impressive images Handsome_Stranger!
You mentioned "TERION" so I immediately thought "Criterion", a somewhat common name for cinemas.





After a little research I found out the 1,856 seat Kinema Theater at 642 S. Grand was renamed Criterion (and later the Fox Criterion).


http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/1967




below: Kinema at Grand Ave. and 7th Street.


los angeles times




below: The Kinema Theater, now the Criterion is visible in this aerial (at the bottom of the photo).
The word Criterion is written on the roof and there is an advertisement for a Lon Chaney film.


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1325488524771



below: The Kinema as the Fox Criterion.


http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...rolNumber=3962

So was this the theater used for that window shot from the Outer Limits? I have no idea.

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1947 LA Plat Book

Hi,
I have this very large 1947 Los Angeles Plat Book (pre-freeways). Hundreds of pages. It was purchased at an antique store as a present for me several years ago. Where would these have been used, court house, realtors, planning commissions?





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