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Old Posted May 30, 2011, 7:16 AM
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To add to the airport convo, Vegas and Boston have airports RIGHT THERE as well.


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^ james what are you talking about? The city doesn't sell public parks to developers! I think the site is part of the Brickell Tennis Club which is private! How is this a park?
It is an area of open green space. The city should have made the developer open it to the public until they had the money to build, as part of the approval process.
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Old Posted May 30, 2011, 7:34 AM
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Wow! This speaks volumes about where you are really coming from right here!
Not sure what you mean.
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Old Posted May 30, 2011, 7:07 PM
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Not sure what you mean.
I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that. This aerial of mine I cropped to zoom in on the Brickell Citicentre site and give a better idea of how it will fit into the Miami skyline.


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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 10:22 AM
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What city with taller buildings has an airport practically in the middle of the city such as what we have here in Miami?
Here, btw, I also meant where the skyline is situated in relationship to the airport. If the Miami skyline were in the middle of the city at an equal distance from MIA to where it is now either north or south, there would be no problem. The problem is downtown Miami is located due east to southeast of MIA and it has runways that are oriented east to southeast.

But where I agree with pj3000 is that after watching planes takeoff and land at MIA for decades now, the height restrictions have been too stringent and should be lifted even more than they have been and could have been years ago if enough developers had been interested enough whether they wanted to build very tall office towers or very tall high-rise hotels/condos.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 8:07 PM
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Kind of silly argument. Airplanes aren't the reason downtown isn't any better. If anything we need a shorter height limit and more buildings.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 10:30 PM
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Dallas and Houston may have taller buildings, but Miami's skyline is so much more beautiful imo. I lived in Texas for several years before moving here. I would rather quantity over height.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 10:55 PM
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^^ i agree, Houston and Dallas's skylines almost look empty, with so few highrises.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 2:53 AM
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Kind of silly argument. Airplanes aren't the reason downtown isn't any better. If anything we need a shorter height limit and more buildings.
It is silly, but it really wasn't an argument. Both of us just had different takes on the reasons for lack of a very tall tower in Miami. Though I think we both acknowledge that the height restriction and lack of large corporate/financial/industrial/etc. HQ presence and influence in Miami are both factors. I do agree that the height restriction is a part of it. Politicians have gotten involved, so it's become a more of a mess than it ever needed to be.

More mid-rise and low-rise buildings to fill in the gaps would bring a much greater human scale to downtown and Brickell. There have been many improvements, but it can still feel like "no-man's land" sometimes. I'd love to see many more nice 5-10 story (and shorter) residential buildings constructed to fill in gaps and provide balance to the skyline... not just another mega development with massive parking garages like the Brickell Citicentre or another 50 floor ultra-expensive condo tower. To create a cool environment in the downtown area, Miami needs to think more like South Beach --- accessible, walkable, bikeable, human-scaled.
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Yes, it still sucks, but it's light years better than it was when they were all parking lots or dusty fields. Retail is lagging, but coming on board as more and more condos get filled. It will never be the old school urbanity of NY, Philadelphia or Chicago, but they're making progress.

PJ is right though, the condos are too big and still too parking dependent... Most have retail built into them, but the backs and sides of some of these buildings are just horrendous. There will be pockets of urbanity in places, but we're a long way from making downtown a complete urban neighborhood.
Thanks - this is exactly the kind of summary i was looking for!

And don't say never. Quality urban design is always achievable, it just takes the will and a lot of discipline...

I'll have to get down to Miami one of these days and check it out.
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More news about the Genting hotel/"casino" project. That's 2 huge projects for downtown announced in the last month. It'll be ages before either of these start making an impact, but it's a nice that they're interested in us again.

Asian casino giant wants to bring gambling to downtown Miami
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/2...-to-bring.html

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“We view Miami as a very important gateway between the United States, Europe and Latin America,’’ Resorts World President Mike Speller said. “We are very, very excited to be here.’’

At a morning press conference, Speller outlined a massive transformation for an industrial site occupied by parking lots and a blocky 1960s building housing waterfront printing presses. In its place would rise hotels, entertainment venues, residential towers, commercial space and other amenities to make the area a “destination resort.’’ Santiago Calatrava, one of the world’s leading architects, appears to be the top pick to design the complex, said Miami Commissioner Marc Sarnoff, who was briefed Friday by developers.

The estimated cost: between $2 billion and $2.5 billion.

Speller said the project will go ahead whether or not Florida allows casinos to expand beyond Indian lands and selected race tracks and jai alai frontons. But a casino would allow a quicker return, and Genting would dramatically speed up its development timetable if Florida changes its gambling laws, Speller said in a statement. The company is one of several casino operators that has been lobbying to loosen the laws, part of a larger push by the industry to allow a limited number of “destination resorts” with casinos.

“We will begin building a mixed-use development that will be realized in stages as market demands over the next 20 years,’’ Speller’s statement said. “This timeline may be significantly accelerated if destination resort legislation passes in Florida.”
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 8:20 PM
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^Sounds pretty cool. Anything there will be better than the Herald building... and I assume it means that the ridiculous idea to build 400 foot tall billboards is dead?

Though I've never wanted Miami to become a gambling destination as well. Miami can be pretty damn cheesy sometimes as it is... I wouldn't want to see Vegas-style ultra cheesiness on Biscayne Bay. Hopefully, the gambling resort will be more Monte Carlo and less Las Vegas.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 10:00 PM
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Airplanes aren't the reason downtown isn't any better.
They are depending on what developer wants to develop what and what restrictions are placed on them with regard to what they want to develop.

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Though I've never wanted Miami to become a gambling destination as well. Miami can be pretty damn cheesy sometimes as it is... I wouldn't want to see Vegas-style ultra cheesiness on Biscayne Bay. Hopefully, the gambling resort will be more Monte Carlo and less Las Vegas.
Here, I'm with you all the way!
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2011, 1:50 PM
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They are depending on what developer wants to develop what and what restrictions are placed on them with regard to what they want to develop.
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I wouldn't want to see Vegas-style ultra cheesiness on Biscayne Bay. Hopefully, the gambling resort will be more Monte Carlo and less Las Vegas.
there is nothing cheesy about the likes of wynn, bellagio or mirage, i have always thought something on that scale would be perfect in downtown

miamis current offering magic city is laughably bad and the other places like hard rock are too far for most tourists to venture
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2011, 5:44 PM
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there is nothing cheesy about the likes of wynn, bellagio or mirage
I was speaking of Vegas in general, which I don't think anyone with an adult brain does not consider cheesy. Las Vegas actually revels in its cheesiness, making no apologies for its over-the-top, theme park persona. But.... nothing cheesy about Wynn, Bellagio, or Mirage?... really?

A red flaming fake volcano fountain? An Italian Lake Como resort hotel with stunning views of the "Eiffel Tower"?





Yeah, this is just what I want to see on Biscayne Bay!
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2011, 11:19 PM
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there is nothing cheesy about the likes of wynn, bellagio or mirage, i have always thought something on that scale would be perfect in downtown

miamis current offering magic city is laughably bad and the other places like hard rock are too far for most tourists to venture
and besides we need a las vegas in miami.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2011, 10:40 AM
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I really wish we had more industry and HQs here in Miami. I mean we have tourism at least.
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2011, 5:20 AM
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Dallas and Houston may have taller buildings, but Miami's skyline is so much more beautiful imo. I lived in Texas for several years before moving here. I would rather quantity over height.
Funny how a comment about Dallas having an inner city airport like Miami was turned into an anti-Texas comment. By the way, according to Wikipedia, Houston has 355 hi-rises, Miami 278 and Dallas 239. Maybe you meant all together, in a small area?
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