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Old Posted May 19, 2009, 10:52 PM
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Approval will take longer for this one, but there's no rush...

http://www.observer.com/2009/real-es...ds-plans-jan-1

Council Vote on Related’s Rail Yards Plans by Jan. 1

By Eliot Brown
May 19, 2009

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On Monday, May 18, the Department of City Planning launched a long list of projects and initiatives into the seven-month-plus public approval process, two of them—the West Side rail yards and the Bronx’s Kingsbridge Armory—belonging to Related. And based on the maximum length of that process—a length of time that many, but not all, projects take—this was the final round of proposed developments that will be guaranteed a vote before the current City Council.

In the wake of November’s elections, the Council’s membership will change somewhat, starting Jan. 1—and perhaps the mayor will, too—adding uncertainty for developers in what can be a highly political process. The land-use review process is a formalized forum for debate over development projects, at the end of which the Council gives its binding vote.

Also making the cut: the proposed 1,250-foot, Jean Nouvel–designed slender skyscraper that would rise adjacent to MoMA; the Bloomberg administration’s incentive program designed to boost the number of new grocery stores in poorer neighborhoods; and the city’s plans to rezone the Broadway Triangle in northern Brooklyn.

Not every developer can be as fortunate as Related. Multiple high-profile large planned developments have been seeking public approval, but did not make Monday’s list. To name a few: Extell Development’s proposed 8.2-acre, 2,500-apartment development at Riverside South; Steven Roth’s potential new office tower where the Hotel Pennsylvania currently sits; and Community Preservation Corporations’ plans to build 2,400 apartments in Williamsburg on the former Domino Sugar Factory site.
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But if this gets built we will lose such a great and iconic hotel.



"The Pennsylvania New York Hotel is a landmark hotel built in 1919 in New York City by the Pennsylvania Railroad. The elegant Renaissance style Hotel Pennsylvania was designed by the renowned firm of McKim, Mead and White. The Pennsylvania Hotel's renowned Cafe Rouge Ballroom has played host to many of the big band era's greats, including the Glenn Miller Band." says readio.com
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Iconic, maybe. But great, not a chance.

And I think if something as different and gorgeous as this tower is built, nobody will miss that awful old hotel.
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Iconic, maybe. But great, not a chance.

And I think if something as different and gorgeous as this tower is built, nobody will miss that awful old hotel.
Yeah if we get a gorgeous tower. But currently we have a glass 1,000 footer that lookes like a flower blosseming next to the Empire State Building. If Jean Novel can think of a good tower, then they can do the same for this site.
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Awesome! Looks like a slightly smaller version of Union Square in Hong Kong
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Vornado files plans for 1,190 foot office tower near empire state building NYC

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City Realty
By Carter B. Horsley
February 09, 2010

Steve Roth of Vornado Realty Trust has submitted plans to the City Planning Commission for a 1,190-foot-high office tower on the site of the 22-story Hotel Pennsylvania on Seventh Avenue between 32nd and 33rd Streets.

The tower would contain about 2 million square feet of commercial space including trading floors.

It has been designed by Pelli Clarke Pelli, which designed 1 Beacon Court on Lexington Avenue between 58th and 59th Streets for Mr. Roth's company.

According to an article today by Eliot Brown at therealdeal.com, Vornado began the city's land-use-review process for the project today and last month submitted two similar versions of its plan to the commission: one for a single-tenant building and the other for a multi-tenant building. The illustration (below) shows a rendering of the multi-tenant tower.

In late 2007, Merrill Lynch selected Vornado and its site for a new world headquarters but, Mr. Brown noted, "just days later, preoccupied with $7.9 billion in write-downs, Merrill's board held off on voting on the headquarters plan, instead ousting Mr. O'Neal," adding that "The proposed $3 billion tower plan followed him out the door."

Vornado has told the commission that if it does not get the approvals needed for the project, it would proceed with an "as-of-right" commercial tower of about 1.15 million square feet.

Vornado has been acquiring land in the vicinity of the old Pennsylvania Station for several years and had hoped to be able to use all of its unused air-rights to build at least one very major skyscraper on the existing site of Madison Square Garden, which it did not own. The owner of the garden, however, recently decided against selling and moving the area to the James A. Farley Post Office Building one block to the west.

The original Pennsylvania Station was designed by McKim Mead & White and was widely recognized as one of the city's greatest Beaux-Arts buildings. Its demolition in 1964 led to the belated creation of the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission.

The 1,700-room Hotel Pennsylvania was erected in 1919 directly across Seventh Avenue from the famous train station and was also designed by McKim Mead & White. At one time, the hotel said it was the world's largest.

The plan to relocate Madison Square Garden and build a new train station and demolish the Hotel Pennsylvania were a central part of much larger plans by the city to significantly redevelop much of southwest midtown Manhattan, a plan that involved an expansion of the Javits Convention Center, the creation of a major new angled boulevard between 42nd and 34th Streets to be known as Hudson Yards, and the creation of a major new residential and office complex on platforms over the east and west train yards between 30th and 33rd Streets east of 10th Avenue, and an extension to the west of the 7 subway line.

The Hotel Pennsylvania is one of the last surviving examples of very large hotels in the city built to accommodate train travelers.

The hotel, whose address is 401 Seventh Avenue, was erected by the Pennsylvania Railroad and was operated by Ellsworth Statler and was acquired by the Hotels Statler Company in 1949. After all 17 Statler hotels were acquired by Conrad Hilton in 1954, it became The Statler Hilton. In the early 1980s, Hilton sold the property and it became the New York Statler again. In 1984, it was acquired by the Penta chain and became the New York Penta. In 1992, it reverted to the Hotel Pennsylvania.

The hotel's telephone number, Pennsylvania 6-5000 is supposedly the New York City telephone number in longest continuous use and was famous as the name of a song by the Glenn Miller band.

The local community board voted 21 to 8 to 8 with two present and not voting to recommend November 8, 2007 that the Hotel Pennsylvania be designated an official city landmark, but in February, 2008, however, a spokesman for the landmarks commission confirmed that the agency had decided not to hold a hearing on its possible designation.


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Finally a better rendering. This is the taller of the two versions, though I could live with either.

http://www.observer.com/2010/real-es...-tallest-tower
City's New Third-Tallest Tower?

By Eliot Brown
February 9, 2010


Just as the markets were starting to unwind in October 2007, real estate titan Steve Roth thought he'd hooked a giant fish. Merrill Lynch had been through a tortuous, hard-fought search for a firm to build its new world headquarters, and after pitting Mr. Roth and his Vornado Realty Trust against developer Larry Silverstein and landlord Brookfield Properties, the investment bank's CEO, Stan O'Neal, gave Mr. Roth the nod. Merrill Lynch wanted a new, Vornado-built headquarters across from Penn Station, on the site of the Vornado-owned Hotel Pennsylvania.

But just days later, preoccupied with $7.9 billion in write-downs, Merrill's board held off on voting on the headquarters plan, instead ousting Mr. O'Neal. The proposed $3 billion tower plan followed him out the door.

Now Mr. Roth, the hard-charging billionaire chairman of Vornado, is doing what can best be described as readying himself for the next Merrill.

On Feb. 8, Vornado began the city's land-use review process, the seven-month cavalcade of criticisms, recommendations and demands from residents and officials, which is the most significant public approval needed to demolish the hotel and build a new tower in its place. The reason for the review's start, according to statements Vornado representatives have made to government officials and others, is not because demolition of the Hotel Pennsylvania is imminent. Rather, the firm wants to be ready to pull the trigger should it ever find another tenant, saving itself the uncertainty and time requirements that come with public approval.

The Pelli Clarke Pelli-designed tower Vornado is proposing to build would be a giant arched obelisk, one that, at
1,216 feet, would soar to a few hairs short of the Empire State Building's peak and would eclipse all but the under-construction 1 World Trade Center to become the city's third tallest building.


Vornado has been mostly silent on the topic publicly, but based on plans filed with the Department of City Planning, the firm has two similar designs it is putting through public review: One is for a single office tenant with a podium of large trading floors; the other, a slightly smaller tower, allows for more retail.

To win this shot of added density on the site, Vornado is offering an inducement of transit improvements, including the reopening of the "Gimbels Passageway," an underground walkway linking Penn Station and Herald Square, which has been closed for nearly three decades.

"It's going to be a tough one," Kevin Finnegan, Community Board 5's land-use chairman, said of the tower proposal. "It's really big. It's humongous," he added. "At the same time, it is an ideal place for a large building because of its access to transit, and there are significant and important improvements to the transit infrastructure."

THE EFFORT TO PREPARE the Hotel Pennsylvania for an office tower is part of a far larger scheme of Mr. Roth's. In the mid-1990s, he bought up much of the neighborhood surrounding Penn Station in a bet that an expanding midtown Manhattan would next sprout office towers in the long-grungy, transit-rich district. At the same time, he pursued a redevelopment and expansion of Penn Station that stood to open up millions of square feet of new development.

But despite his anxious and bullish stance, Mr. Roth has earned a reputation for being one of the more patient developers in the city. For about a decade, he sat on the vacant site of Alexander's department store on 59th Street and Lexington Avenue before he ultimately signed the expanding Bloomberg LP and built its new headquarters.

He's now waited an entire real estate cycle with no major steps toward the transformative goals for the "Penn Plaza" area (though rents did rise), apparently content to keep sitting on his 7 million square feet of property until the time is right.

To that end, the 1919-built Hotel Pennsylvania holds little nostalgic value in Vornado's heart. Talking to Vornado investors in 2008, Mr. Roth referred to it as "a placeholder, sort of like a parking lot," until a tenant can once again be wooed to the area. Then again, the firm has vacillated at times, saying it might renovate the hotel to draw a higher-end clientele.

At the market's peak, the Pennsylvania, with its dimly lit lobby and dingy rooms, was a cash cow, as demand for hotel rooms skyrocketed while the supply stayed mostly constant. In 2007, Vornado reported $38 million in earnings on the hotel; in 2008 it grew to $42 million. (Vornado and other partners paid just $159 million for it in 1997.)

But this year, with tourism down and smaller, limited-service hotels opening their doors, its numbers have tanked. Through September, at the latest filing, Vornado reported $7.8 million in earnings from the hotel, down $21 million through the same period the year before.

As of yet, it's unclear just how high the hurdle will be for Vornado to win public approval of its tower. Local residents are sure to have concerns with the density—its proposed size is larger than the Empire State Building—and there is a set of preservationists who have been trying to landmark the McKim, Mead & White-designed Hotel Pennsylvania, to no avail thus far.

On the other hand, Vornado is permitted to build a rather tall building without any approvals at all, and it is entitled to a "transit bonus" of density, provided that the transit agencies and community are content with the improvements being offered.

And then there are the union workers in the hotel, who have not yet made much noise about the proposed tower (though they did join in a push to landmark the hotel in late 2007). A new office tower would, after all, mean the demolition of the 1,700-room hotel and the jobs inside, but given the economy and the dearth of would-be tenants lining up to occupy the tower, it's not as though a wrecking ball is imminent.

Whatever resistance there is will become clearer in the coming weeks. The plan goes before the community board, which may give a nonbinding recommendation on the tower. Ultimately, any changes would likely come as a result of pressure from the City Planning Commission or from Council Speaker Christine Quinn, the local representative for the tower. Both must vote in favor of the project if it is to proceed.

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i wonder if mrs burden is going to complain about how the height of this building competes with the esb...
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i wonder if mrs burden is going to complain about how the height of this building competes with the esb...
She could complain about the design, though the mechanicals are hidden on either version. The single tenant version seems bo have gained a little hight, while the mult-tenant options dropped a few...


http://nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/env_revi...n_deis_noc.pdf

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Finally, some confusion for me cleared up. It seems the "boxy" version has been dropped. I kind of liked that one, but it's fine.




A look at the two versions of the tower, and the "as of right" box...




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I think the design as an arched obelisk looks like that large tower in HK (forgot the name). I do like it though.
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This is just gorgeous, and it plays with the street perfectly. Really hoping for this one.
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I like what I see there, at either height.

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I think the design as an arched obelisk looks like that large tower in HK (forgot the name). I do like it though.
That's the International Commerce Centre, or ICC. I had the same impression. I agree that the designs are indeed rather similar, but this one also has a much more pronounced taper toward the top. In fact, I think the overall shape reminds me a bit more of the Capital Tower in Singapore:
http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=628

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It is a bit too thick to carry off a true obelisk-type look IMO. Nevertheless its not bad. Street level will really brighten up an otherwise dreary stretch of Seventh Avenue.
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Why did "boxy" version has been dropped? i like that one as well.
Well at the end of the day im happy with either one getting build, because we need something at the same height or higher ESB.
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Excellent tower. Let's hope it goes ahead now.
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