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Old Posted Feb 8, 2018, 12:45 AM
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All right, new topic. Who's got $78,000 and wants to buy 3 used DMUs? Two out the three have not been involved in a derailment, and that ain't bad.
That's easy enough. That would be perfect for Boulder; they can build a monument-museum in honor of the "Train that never came." At the least they should buy the one that derailed and lay it on its side.
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That's easy enough. That would be perfect for Boulder; they can build a monument-museum in honor of the "Train that never came." At the least they should buy the one that derailed and lay it on its side.
Everybody on this thread likes to shit on Boulder when it comes to train service (among other things), but the truth is if there was a train to Boulder it would get a lot more ridership than the R or W Lines.
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Does anyone have an update on either the G line testing or the A/B line approvals for the quiet zones and removal of the flaggers? It's hard to keep up on all this...
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Everybody on this thread likes to shit on Boulder when it comes to train service (among other things), but the truth is if there was a train to Boulder it would get a lot more ridership than the R or W Lines.
The NW Line project ~10K daily ridership, the W Line has ~12K daily ridership (using a mean daily average for YTD calculations, which is going to be way under a weekday ridership average). Maybe if we kill the FlatIron Flyer and force all those bus riders onto the choo-choo (adding 15 minutes each way to a Boulder residents commute) then the NW Line would have better ridership then the W Line. But same could be done for the W Line and the 16/16L.

The R Line is hopeless and will always woefully under perform.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2018, 6:30 PM
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Everybody on this thread likes to shit on Boulder when it comes to train service (among other things), but the truth is if there was a train to Boulder it would get a lot more ridership than the R or W Lines.
I accept your gotcha; it's a fair point to make. Couple of things.

RTD was relying on the railroads to be reasonable which they weren't; that was beyond RTD's control; it made the whole project not financially feasible. I never hear Boulder CO put the blame where it belongs?

The FF has VG ridership of 14,428. Just the three busiest stations on the R Line route (including the H Line) have a ridership of 14,167. On the W Line, the four busiest stations have a ridership of 9,388 - case made on the W but not the R&H Lines.

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Does anyone have an update on either the G line testing or the A/B line approvals for the quiet zones and removal of the flaggers? It's hard to keep up on all this...
Thinking March may bring happy news; we'll see.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2018, 6:52 PM
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I accept your gotcha; it's a fair point to make. Couple of things.

RTD was relying on the railroads to be reasonable which they weren't; that was beyond RTD's control; it made the whole project not financially feasible. I never hear Boulder CO put the blame where it belongs?

The FF has VG ridership of 14,428. Just the three busiest stations on the R Line have a ridership of 14,167. On the W Line, the four busiest stations have a ridership of 9,388 - case made on the W but not the R Line.
How are you coming to those figures on line ridership? They seem overinflated for the R Line.
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Denver chamber to drop ballot question to raise state sales tax for roads
By Joey Bunch - February 8, 2018 - Colorado Politics
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lol, the article does do a nice job of defining the landscape and competing approaches. For now this proposal will need the backing of the group Fix Colorado Roads which can't happen until after the legislature fails to provide a fix.
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I'm tempted to take the other side of that bet. Hmm, this potentially has all the trappings of a very entertaining High Stakes Poker Game.

I don't see that proposal coming out of the legislature so there's the possibility of two competing statewide ballot initiatives? I don't even know what that takes, to get a statewide ballot initiative qualified?

I have always asserted that voters would accept higher taxes if it's for a defined purpose that they support. But going against a no-tax increase alternative is what's concerning. If the proposal is similar to last year's (I'd assume) it would likely have more appeal to metro voters and it is the sound, smart way to do business. The (metro) voters may just appreciate the candor and wisdom... and maybe even the rest of the state's voters.

I call your bluff and double the bet. Your move.
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2018, 7:44 PM
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Does anyone have an update on either the G line testing or the A/B line approvals for the quiet zones and removal of the flaggers? It's hard to keep up on all this...
This just broke on Monday. The hearing was moved up to next week afterall. It sounds like there's no commitment on a timeline, other than that a decision definitely won't come right at the time of the hearing. And even if they get the go-ahead, RTD isn't really letting on how much more testing is needed or what their timeline would be after that. I'd sure love to see it start running this year though!
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2018, 7:58 PM
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You lost. Pay up.
Dang... I wondered later if you might misunderstand what I was wanting to say. That last statement was vague enough that you might not realize I was referring to the competing political interests and their high stakes poker game. I meant it to mean the Chamber was calling the bluff of the SB1/Caldera crowd and doubling their bet. Fair to say that since I used the personal pronoun "I" you'd have no way of knowing that was a stand-in for the Chamber talking. So any confusion would be on me, my lack of clarity/poor wording. Sorry for that.

Since the last post was interrupted by an important phone call I'll continue...

I do feel sorry for Colorado
having been spoiled by a state where the dedicated flow of transportation revenue for over 30 years has made life so much easier.

The group Fix Colorado Roads as the CP article points out is "a similar coalition of Front Range and mountain business interests, has been working on a legislative remedy to the funding issue at the Capitol." Without their support the Chamber's proposal has little chance of passing. But if the legislature fails to provide a fix then there's no reason why the two groups wouldn't join hands.

Do Republicans know what they want, Buddy?
They want something for nothing, Doobie.
You're referring to the tail then, eh?
Yup, it's been the tail that wags that dog for a decade or longer.

The issue will need substantial Republican support to be successful. The other potential problem is we could end up with a metro versus out of metro controversy depending how the referendum is structured. That may have been the reason behind the Chamber's looking at their wording?
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2018, 9:28 PM
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Denver Moves - closer to the finish line

Seemingly the majority of public input is done and Denver Moves held an Executive Session on Feb 1st which reviewed and compiled the recent results of public outreach. You can read that HERE. It's largely predictable for those who have expressed interest in better public transit.

It appears from the schedule that they'll finish the gathering and interpreting process by the the first part of March. The last step then would be making decisions and recommendations. A public draft plan for review is expected to be available by early May. Pending any revisions the finished product will hopefully be available soon after.

Once the report is completed how long it sits on the shelf before the Mayor and city council come up with an action plan is anybody's guess. The lowest hanging fruit and most affordable/likely to happen will presumably be increased frequency on priority routes.

Other than for my curiosity the balance of this year will be anticipating decisions and progress on the East Colfax BRT. That is real, has partial funding in hand and worth cheering for.
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Denver Moves - closer to the finish line

Seemingly the majority of public input is done and Denver Moves held an Executive Session on Feb 1st which reviewed and compiled the recent results of public outreach. You can read that HERE. It's largely predictable for those who have expressed interest in better public transit.

It appears from the schedule that they'll finish the gathering and interpreting process by the the first part of March. The last step then would be making decisions and recommendations. A public draft plan for review is expected to be available by early May. Pending any revisions the finished product will hopefully be available soon after.

Once the report is completed how long it sits on the shelf before the Mayor and city council come up with an action plan is anybody's guess. The lowest hanging fruit and most affordable/likely to happen will presumably be increased frequency on priority routes.

Other than for my curiosity the balance of this year will be anticipating decisions and progress on the East Colfax BRT. That is real, has partial funding in hand and worth cheering for.
DM:T is in its first phase. A likely second phase would include standing up a transit program within the city, taking a deeper dive into prioritized corridors (programmatic approach to implementation), and start implementing low hanging fruit, which would be Speed + Reliability projects (bus bulbs, TSP, queue jumps, stop consolidation). Service improvements (straight buy-ups) are far more complicated. Ask Boulder.
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DM:T is in its first phase. A likely second phase would include standing up a transit program within the city, taking a deeper dive into prioritized corridors (programmatic approach to implementation), and start implementing low hanging fruit, which would be Speed + Reliability projects (bus bulbs, TSP, queue jumps, stop consolidation). Service improvements (straight buy-ups) are far more complicated. Ask Boulder.
Thanks for the correction (of assumption) and feedback.

You lost me with DM:T but all I had to do was Google it to understand and see the latest Colfax BRT presentation pdf. What I'm most interested in is the Centerline or not decision.

As for your second phase stuff it's all good but have no idea the costs involved. Guess we'll find out in time.

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The remaining lawsuit concerns a wee bit as whenever you get into highly technical stuff or fine print wording you can never by sure what a judge may conclude. I don't think they have a case but it will be nice to hear that from the judge.
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How are you coming to those figures on line ridership? They seem overinflated for the R Line.
"R Line route including the H Line" (Nine Mile, Peoria and Florida ) So I fudged a little; those stations all have reported ridership numbers and all are in Aurora.
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I'm delighted that this year's Colorado elections look to be dominated by transportation issues.

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Tweeting AG Candidate Brauchler Says ‘Our Roads Continue To Suck’
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DENVER (CBS4) – “Our roads continue to suck.”

That was what many Denverites were probably thinking during Tuesday morning’s typically slow commute, but a candidate for the state attorney general’s office took the thought a step further and went on a minor Twitter rant.
Side Note:
My early money is on Cynthia Coffman, current AG, winning the governor's race. What's interesting is that (now) deep red Arizona has already elected four female governors: two Dems and two Republicans. This could finally be Colorado's turn to elect its first female governor.
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Self-Driving Cars Will Kill Things You Love (And a Few You Hate)
February 13, 2018 By Jess Shankleman/Bloomberg
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Electric cars, robo taxis and self-driving trucks are coming to change the society we live in—possibly sooner than you think. In a future where anyone is able to summon a cheap driverless pod at the click of a smartphone button, the line between public and private transport would start to blur.
What are you thinking with respect to public transit?
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Ride hailing services such as Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. are already reducing demand for public transport across the U.S., according to a study from the University of California, Davis. People use ride hailing apps instead of taking the train, driving, cycling or even walking.

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Today more than 90 percent of road accidents are caused by human error, so once you take people out of the equation safety will probably improve, said David Williams, technical director at insurer AXA SA. Initially, there could be two types of insurance—one for manual cars and one for autonomous—with premiums for the latter eventually falling as much as 50 percent, Williams said.
Won't this destroy our time-honored traditions?
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Tailgate parties, political bumper stickers, bored teenagers cruising the byways of small towns—all these could become things of the past as cars change from prized possessions to on-demand utilities.
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The dawn of ride-sharing scares me. We need to move towards less low-occupancy vehicles, not more.
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On another note, rumors are strongly indicating that Aer Lingus is considering announcing Denver because of their partnership with UA and the additional capacity that A321LRs are creating (moving A330s to longer routes) but it would be operated in 2019 because summer schedules for international flying have mostly been finalized for now. Nothing has been announced yet though Aer Lingus has said it is one of two new routes it is considering.
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Consider this:

Uber Quarterly Sales Rose 61% to $2 Billion Amid Heavy Loss
February 13, 2018 By Eric Newcomer/Bloomberg
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Despite a turbulent year for the ride-hailing company, sales were $7.5 billion. But the company also posted a substantial loss of $4.5 billion. There are few historical precedents for the scale of its loss.
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