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Old Posted Apr 10, 2017, 1:13 PM
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Uhh, well first of all, Windsor's latitude is more in line with Medford Oregon than anywhere in NoCal.

Second, that's a bit hyperbolic, Windsor is about 7°F warmer than Moscow year round and has nowhere near the kind of climate in the colder parts of Russia.

Also, Florida is the "sunshine" state.
The southern part of our county does go further south than the Northern California border though
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2017, 1:22 PM
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I'm not an expert on Eurasian climate although it does bear similarity to central north america however there isn't a gulf of mexico to help balance the arctic ocean on its northern flank. Further more the LP of MI and the "peninsula" that Windsor-Essex sits on help moderate the extremes of summer and winter. It's not a huge degree but when a arctic front sweeps down not only do the clouds created by the cold air passing over the lakes help insulate from the initial blast but the large bodies of water themselves have an effect (unless they freeze up like they do every so often when although much more rarely these days). I lost my young windmill palm in the record breaking winter several years ago although i made a mistake and it would have survived outdoors with protection instead i had it in our unheated sun room all winter and it was killed during a freak April cold snap when i accidentally left the window open all night next to it during a high wind/snow event after a 70 degree day 2 days before.

During many of the worst cold snaps places like Indy and Chicago will be colder especially at night than Detroit-Windsor, looking at maps during these events it almost seems like the worst cold air has to navigate down and around lake Michigan before coming up from the south to reach SE MI & SW ONT slightly moderating all the time.

I digress though the Detroit - Windsor area has a micro climate that is 6b in the city and near lake st clair and 6a over the rest (i think Windsor is 6b as well). Oddly enough 6b climate zone is the same as most of Kentucky southern Missouri and southern Kansas and 6a is found in areas like Nashville the Texas panhandle and high plains of New Mexico.







Moscow is a urban heat island 5 surrounded by 4 while Detroit-Windsor is a 6a-6b would be more like the Black Sea coast or most of Crimea aka the Soviet Riviera which has palm trees too, although only naturally occurring in the Sevastopol-Yalta area.
Yep, the Detroit/Windsor area is quite a bit milder than what most people think, 6b, like you posted. We can grow many plants here that can't be grown further to the north of us like evergreen Southern Magnolia, exotic Mimosa Trees, fruiting Fig Trees, various Yuccas, and some small hardy unprotected palms, like Needle Palms and Sabal Minor can survive for years with good siting before succumbing to extreme cold events.
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More Vancouver palms, and a few banana trees too.



English Bay Beach, Vancouver, June 20 '15, my pic




East Vancouver, Sept.5 '15, my pic



East Vancouver, Sept.5 '15, my pic

wow, what a beach! i but sunsets here are awesome, assuming this faces west by those waves and departing container ships.
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Palm trees look so incredibly silly and incongruent there. It's a bit of a reach.
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wow, what a beach! i but sunsets here are awesome, assuming this faces west by those waves and departing container ships.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hardy_palms

I actually left out the concise point i was trying to make in my earlier post that is actually is possible to grow some kinds of palms outdoors in the Detroit - Windsor area just barely u need to protect them in winter with a burlap outer layer and a mulch interior if i remember the advice from a (Windsorite?). This actually goes for many areas of the northeast and midwest however technically a small area around lake st clair and the detroit river of the metro area where the water tends to keep nigh time lows slightly warmer in the winter that theoretically some of the cold hearty palms could grow without protection. I don't think it would go well though because while some palms can grow an do as far north as the Tennessee and Ohio Valley's but while maximum night time low temps may be the same a 6a in climate zone terms. While it may drop to -10f in Nashville it wont stay that cold for an extended period like it can in the great lakes region, but to me its a really interesting idea to me at least to think that there is another place in Canada other than Vancouver that the cold heartiest palm trees could theoretically survive i.e. it's southern most tip.

Edit*(I didn't notice that north 42 had already expanded on to the point i was trying to make which makes the previous addition a little bit moot, but thats what i get for trying to post on my Iphone haha. But i felt it was important to expand on what i was sayin but at the same time temper it by adding in that while the lakes protect certain areas from getting the kind of extreme low temps that the rest of the region is known for during its coldest winters and of how odd it may seem to be able to grow Magnolia's and other cold hearty "tropical" plants in small pockets of SW Ontario and SE Michigan and the West Coast of MI all the way up to Glen Arbor. However as mentioned before if you do want to grow cold hearties in this area you need to be mindful that while for the most part the marine influence insulates certain areas as we all know once you think you've seen it all in terms of weather here that's when you will be surprised so an eye to the sky is needed so to speak and protection in certain extreme events may also be necessary)

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So you could grow Southern Magnolia trees in Glen Arbor but not Traverse city?

That's very interesting.
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So you could grow Southern Magnolia trees in Glen Arbor but not Traverse city?

That's very interesting.
Yes it does seem to be possible prolly because of the way the prevailing winds in that area in winter will be blowing from the lake especially during cold snaps but because there is higher terrain the further inland you go and traverse city is separated from the main coast line by the Leelanau Peninsula the effects of the marine influence are mitigated to a degree. It also seems to have some correlation to the snow belt areas which makes since because of how lake effect snow is created that the areas down wind would have their temp's moderated by the marine influence and cloud cover protecting from radational cooling during the night.

Another example of how complicated and localized great lakes influenced weather patterns can get is if you look about mid way up the west coast of MI the Ludington area doesn't seem to have much marine insulation at all and 5b climate zone seems to get right up to the coast there. However it certainly does get heavy lake effect snow but the area to the west of Traverse City is known as an area that can get extra enhancement from lake effect events because of the shape of the coast the shape of the lake offshore and a continuation of moisture picked up from lake superior that is recharged over lake MI because of the prevailing winds.

I was looking for this article about super enhancement zones of lake effect snow which seems to have some correlation to the 6b going all the way up to Glen Arbor at least from my amateur meteorologists glance, although i wasn't able to find it quickly enough before i lost interest
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speaking of magnolias, they are all blooming now





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