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MichaelB · #**101** Posted **Apr 20, 2018, 4:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by The ATX

No major news here. But this project was getting stale, and finally this week there was an update added to the site plan. I'm not yet sold on the ability of this project as proposed of breaking ground due to its location. But it's good to see progress in getting the site plan approved.

EDIT: Nobody but me has posted about this project since last June! Doesn't anyone else care?

I care ! I care!!! LOL!
It will be a catalyst for the city to address the homeless issue in the area.
This and the speculation on the property across the street......
I think once one thing happens there will be a domino effect.
It will improve the area dramatically.

I am always reluctant to comment on this thread for fear of carless comments about the homeless situation. I live downtown. Experience it everyday and have had to run homeless out of our area due to safety. So I'm at a crossroads... cause I also want to see the issues addressed not just swept away.

It has to be handled well.

At this point it will be a major contention because of the amount of people who now camp on the sidewalk at ARCH. This won't be pretty. It will be a very big challenge for the city.... and there are few resources.

I will relate from inside sources: ARCH serves very few of the people on the street there. They just camp there. MOST don't look for services. Arch even cut food for a bit to see if it mattered. It didn't. It's become it's own community. When the city does take action It will be with much condemnation for the insensitivity . It's a loose loose for the city. At the same time. They should have never let it happen. Where will those folks go? Well, those that want help may be forced to seek it. Thats good. There are plenty of programs around town to help with housing. There are waiting lists. But lots of folks who help. Those that don't want housing or help ( and that is a simple fact, not a judgement.) will probably return to the area under I35 and the creeks.
Which is worse/better? I've often thought the area under 35 was unused. But that will be short term and 35 is redone.

Something has to be done. This is where everyone is a "NIMBY".
And don't deny it.
No one wants the homeless population moved to their hood. It use to be East... now it's gentrified. Use to be the drag... been pushed out. We don't have vast areas of warehouses downtown like most cities.

Perhaps the good folks who are building this will include housing?
Good start.
It is a church!

The ATX · #**102** Posted **Apr 23, 2018, 4:15 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelB

I care ! I care!!! LOL!
It will be a catalyst for the city to address the homeless issue in the area.
This and the speculation on the property across the street......
I think once one thing happens there will be a domino effect.
It will improve the area dramatically.

I am always reluctant to comment on this thread for fear of carless comments about the homeless situation. I live downtown. Experience it everyday and have had to run homeless out of our area due to safety. So I'm at a crossroads... cause I also want to see the issues addressed not just swept away.

It has to be handled well.

At this point it will be a major contention because of the amount of people who now camp on the sidewalk at ARCH. This won't be pretty. It will be a very big challenge for the city.... and there are few resources.

I will relate from inside sources: ARCH serves very few of the people on the street there. They just camp there. MOST don't look for services. Arch even cut food for a bit to see if it mattered. It didn't. It's become it's own community. When the city does take action It will be with much condemnation for the insensitivity . It's a loose loose for the city. At the same time. They should have never let it happen. Where will those folks go? Well, those that want help may be forced to seek it. Thats good. There are plenty of programs around town to help with housing. There are waiting lists. But lots of folks who help. Those that don't want housing or help ( and that is a simple fact, not a judgement.) will probably return to the area under I35 and the creeks.
Which is worse/better? I've often thought the area under 35 was unused. But that will be short term and 35 is redone.

Something has to be done. This is where everyone is a "NIMBY".
And don't deny it.
No one wants the homeless population moved to their hood. It use to be East... now it's gentrified. Use to be the drag... been pushed out. We don't have vast areas of warehouses downtown like most cities.

Perhaps the good folks who are building this will include housing?
Good start.
It is a church!

Well stated.

We vs us · #**103** Posted **May 29, 2018, 9:55 PM**

Looks like they just resurfaced and restriped the parking lot. Not the most auspicious sign.

The ATX · #**104** Posted **May 29, 2018, 11:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by We vs us

Looks like they just resurfaced and restriped the parking lot. Not the most auspicious sign.

I put this one near the bottom of the list of big proposals to be starting any time soon. Virtually nobody is going buy an expensive condo (or pay high rent) in the middle of what has turned into a homeless encampment - not to mention the drunkeness and noise coming from 6th St/Red River on weekends. An office building is better suited for the location, but the CVC makes that unlikely.

the Genral · #**105** Posted **May 29, 2018, 11:29 PM**

I'm not sure its even a safe place for a parking lot.

Jdawgboy · #**106** Posted **May 30, 2018, 1:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by the Genral

I'm not sure its even a safe place for a parking lot.

It's not. I won't ever park in that area due to safety reasons.

Syndic · #**107** Posted **May 30, 2018, 7:11 AM**

I went to Europe in April. Barcelona, Lyon, Milan, Zurich, Munich. You don't really see homeless people there. It's amazing. One night, in Lyon -- beautiful city, by the way -- I was walking back to my hotel and I saw this. It was cool out. This van showed up and brought this homeless man pizzas and blankets. They were treating his condition like an emergency. It actually made me super emotional because it was so different than how we treat the situation of homeless people in America. I couldn't believe they were being so caring.

But the fact is, the French people are surrounded by plenty. They don't go needy. They are surrounded by material comfort. The same should be true for America but I think our version of capitalism is too extreme; too cutthroat; too heartless. It makes us sort of stonehearted and self-concerned.

I hope one day we can have stronger worker protections and labor movement so that we can wrest some wealth away from the 1-9%:

I find it sad that it may take a bunch of rich people moving into the neighborhood to motivate our city to do finally do something about the homeless problem here. Fact is, they're victims of a drug epidemic and we need to fight harder against it.

kingkirbythe.... · #**108** Posted **May 30, 2018, 3:16 PM**

Ditto

Jdawgboy · #**109** Posted **May 31, 2018, 3:17 AM**

Agree 1000%. I feel exactly the same way. Great post Syndic!

KevinFromTexas · #**110** Posted **May 31, 2018, 4:26 AM**

Yep. Americans are compassionate, and I know this country has the wealth to protect the most vulnerable, we just need the resources and will to do it.

The ATX · #**111** Posted **Jun 21, 2018, 8:58 PM**

The site plan status changed to "inactive" this week meaning the project is probably getting some tweaks.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/web/perm...ertyrsn=201188

ILUVSAT · #**112** Posted **Jun 22, 2018, 1:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by The ATX

The site plan status changed to "inactive" this week meaning the project is probably getting some tweaks.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/web/perm...ertyrsn=201188

George B.? Anything you can divulge? Please?!?

The ATX · #**113** Posted **Jul 5, 2018, 2:27 AM**

Cielo has a recently developed a concern about homelessness in Austin and is planning to donate $1 million to the cause. That's great, but the cynic in me suspects the homelessness problem really came to their attention while trying to develop Block 87.

ABJ:
https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...ss-pledge.html

Geckos_Rule · #**114** Posted **Jul 5, 2018, 2:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by The ATX

Cielo has a recently developed a concern about homelessness in Austin and is planning to donate $1 million to the cause. That's great, but the cynic in me suspects the homelessness problem really came to their attention while trying to develop Block 87.

ABJ:
https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...ss-pledge.html

I don't mind. Even if they didn't care at all before, or they're just doing this for profit-related motives, it's still a good thing to donate to help solve a longstanding problem.

The ATX · #**115** Posted **Jul 26, 2018, 1:41 PM**

The site plan has now been withdrawn. Big change in plans is likely.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/web/perm...ertyrsn=201188

George_Blume · #**116** Posted **Jul 31, 2018, 2:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by The ATX

The site plan has now been withdrawn. Big change in plans is likely.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/web/perm...ertyrsn=201188

Changes are coming yes. Nothing else to report. At least for now.

We vs us · #**117** Posted **Jul 31, 2018, 2:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by George_Blume

Changes are coming yes. Nothing else to report. At least for now.

Thanks for the confirmation . . . and glad to see the project isn't dead or tabled. The ARCH problem always seems so intractable -- I was worried this one was finally giving up the ghost.

The ATX · #**118** Posted **Jul 31, 2018, 7:50 PM**

I'm guessing hotel only for the tower. I'd like to say office, but I don't know if the limited footprint makes it economically feasible.

The ATX · #**119** Posted **Oct 15, 2018, 8:00 PM**

I missed this one. A new site plan was filed when the original one was withdrawn in July. The formal (new) site plan was added to the application in September. Here are the uses:

Hotel: 260 Rooms
Condo: 280 Rooms
Office: 182K+ sq. ft.
Restaurants x 2: ~12K sq. ft.
Supermarket: ~27K sq. ft.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/web/perm...ertyrsn=201188

EDIT: I didn't notice any changes to the project based on the available info.

H2O · #**120** Posted **Oct 16, 2018, 10:46 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by The ATX

I missed this one. A new site plan was filed when the original one was withdrawn in July. The formal (new) site plan was added to the application in September. Here are the uses:

Hotel: 260 Rooms
Condo: 280 Rooms
Office: 182K+ sq. ft.
Restaurants x 2: ~12K sq. ft.
Supermarket: ~27K sq. ft.

https://abc.austintexas.gov/web/perm...ertyrsn=201188

EDIT: I didn't notice any changes to the project based on the available info.

Was the original site plan application deadline looming? Sometimes that is the best way to keep the project alive if everything is done except for legal paper work such as easements, license agreements or financing agreements. If you let the site plan application expire and stay dormant until other paper work is complete, you have to start all over again at the back of the que. But if you withdraw and immediately resubmit, they treat as if it is still active (except that you have to pay the fee again).