CHICAGO | Economic & Business Development

[marothisu]

IMO, Georgia government not being nearly as friendly to LGBTQ as many other states and also the whole Delta/NRA thing has basically taken Atlanta out of this HQ2 thing. At this point, I'd be shocked if they were chosen.

[left of center]

Whatever helps our odds! Hopefully Illinois's forward thinking and progressive nature will outshine the fact that our politicians cant keep a budget to save their collective lives...

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Thanks marothisu, great info as always!

Originally Posted by left of center

^ Thanks for doing all that research, marothisu!

No problem. Now, this will put it into perspective. Here are the increases for all cities 250K+ population and I included the downtown area of Chicago (Near North, South, West, and the Loop) as well as that + Lakeview, Lincoln Park, West Town, Logan Square, Lincoln Square, Uptown, and North Center ("surrounding areas"). I also included the 5 boroughs of NYC in this.

Total 2016 population of the downtown + surrounding areas is just over 666K people (which is 21,000 people less than the entire city of Boston) while the downtown area I'm describing is 207,103. So keep that in mind that downtown Chicago alone outgained nearly 60 entire cities even though all were bigger. Downtown Chicago nearly outgained all of Indianapolis despite Indianapolis being 4X larger than downtown Chicago. Downtown Chicago outgained the entire city of Miami in this regard, even though Miami is 2X the size.

Downtown + surrounding area nearly outgained the entire city of Dallas despite Dallas being over 2.5X larger than this area of Chicago.


Change in $200K+ earning households 2016 vs 2010:
1. NYC: +106,584 households
2. San Francisco: +45,701 households
3. Los Angeles: +43,646 households
4. Brooklyn (NYC): +39,655 households
5. Manhattan (NYC): +38,146 households
6. San Jose: +34,155 households
7. Chicago: +29,792 households
8. Seattle: +28,650 households
9. Houston: +26,873 households
10. Queens (NYC): +19,364 households
11. Austin: +19,215 households
12. San Diego: +18,761 households
13. Washington DC: +16,477 households
14. Dallas: +14,958 households
15. DT Chicago + Surrounding: +13,049 households
16. Denver: +12,483 households
17. Portland: +11,078 households
18. Charlotte: +10,811 households
19. Phoenix: +10,624 households
20. Boston: +10,282 households
21. Oakland: +8827 households
22. Philadelphia: +8750 households
23. Atlanta: +7805 households
24. Irvine, CA: +7633 households
25. Baltimore: +6878 households
26. San Antonio: +6759 households
27. Raleigh: +6633 households
28. Indianapolis: +6325 households
29. Ft. Worth: +6280 households
30. Greater DT Chicago: +5891 households
31. Oklahoma City: +5765 households
32. Minneapolis: +5520 households
33. Jersey City, NJ: +5479 households
34. Jacksonville: +5328 households
35. Miami: +5176 households
36. Staten Island (NYC): +5162 households
37. Nashville: +5047 households
38. Omaha: +5032 households
39. Long Beach: +4957 households
40. Lexington, KY: +4438 households
41. Bronx (NYC): +4257 households
42. Tampa: +4246 households
43. Albuquerque: +4213 households
44. Honolulu: +4156 households
45. Fresno: +3852 households
46. Sacramento: +3832 households
47. Mesa, AZ: +3797 households
48. Plano, TX: +3492 households
49. Virginia Beach: +3445 households
50. Columbus, OH: +3426 households
51. Durham, NC: +3227 households
52. Colorado Springs: +3035 households
53. St. Louis: +3021 households
54. Las Vegas: +2994 households
55. Louisville: +2990 households
56. St. Paul: +2942 households
57. Kansas City: +2681 households
58. Bakersfield: +2680 households
59. Stockton, CA: +2654 households
60. Anchorage: +2518 households
61. New Orleans: +2445 households
62. Wichita: +2356 households
63. Madison, WI: +2267 households
64. Arlington, TX: +2257 households
65. Santa Ana, CA: +2148 households
66. Chula Vista, CA: +2109 households
67. Lincoln, NE: +1977 households
68. Cincinnati: +1967 households
69. Greensboro, NC: +1931 households
70. Corpus Christi: +1931 households
71. Anaheim: +1917 households
72. Cleveland: +1894 households
73. Memphis: +1828 households
74. Tulsa: +1702 households
75. Lubbock, TX: +1624 households
76. Henderson, NV: +1592 households
77. St. Petersburg, FL: +1587 households
78. Riverside, CA: +1538 households
79. Milwaukee: +1448 households
80. El Paso: +1364 households
81. Aurora, CO: +1345 households
82. Pittsburgh: +1263 households
83. Buffalo: +1257 households
84. Orlando: +1075 households
85. Tucson: +1062 households
86. Laredo, TX: +558 households
87. Detroit: +517 households
88. Newark, NJ: +475 households
89. Toledo: +375 households
90. Ft. Wayne, IN: +58 households

[the urban politician]

^ Interesting, although I have to admit Chicago performs better in the >$100k category than in the present one (same for LA).

SF really mops the floor, San Jose is quite impressive too, but Seattle and Houston are also high performers.

I’m more staggered by Seattle than Houston, actually, but in the end I wonder what’s happening here.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ Interesting, although I have to admit Chicago performs better in the >$100k category than in the present one (same for LA).

Technically within Chicago, that's not true at least by percentage. The $200K+ households increased within Chicago by 65.4% while the $100K - $200K increased by 38.8%. I mean raw numbers yes, but percentage wise increase, the $200K+ did much better.

SF really mops the floor, San Jose is quite impressive too, but Seattle and Houston are also high performers.

I’m more staggered by Seattle than Houston, actually, but in the end I wonder what’s happening here.

Seattle makes sense with the rapid increase of Amazon - they can pay pretty well. Then you have other high earning tech places in Seattle like Microsoft and Nintendo as well as startups. Not really that surprising. Seattle is doing a lot of good things from becoming more walkable/dense/urban to the number of 6+ figure earnings increasing quite a bit.

[JK47]

Originally Posted by marothisu

IMO, Georgia government not being nearly as friendly to LGBTQ as many other states and also the whole Delta/NRA thing has basically taken Atlanta out of this HQ2 thing. At this point, I'd be shocked if they were chosen.

Holding rallies with burning swastikas and deploying armored police against unarmed protesters is a much worse look for Georgia.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by JK47

Holding rallies with burning swastikas and deploying armored police against unarmed protesters is a much worse look for Georgia.

Not sure why this post is showing up in this thread instead of the econ one I replied in (mods..can you move this?)....but yes, definitely that too

[urbanpln]

Originally Posted by bnk

Not sure how true this article is but

GA,TX,NC,VA,FL...

Not so gay friendly states

Illinois ranks very high btw.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...423-story.html



The unspoken factor in Amazon's search for a new home: Jeff Bezos' support for gay rights

Jonathan O'Connell
Washington Post

April 23rd

...
That sentiment has not played well at Amazon, according to a person who has been on tour with Amazon as it met with local officials. "I just think Atlanta's out," the person, who is not an Amazon employee, said.
The Georgia legislature did not approve the adoption bill before it adjourned last month. The Georgia Department of Economic Development, which is handling Atlanta's bid for HQ2, declined to comment on the matter.

...
Good state rankings and maps in this NY Times article

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...to-be-gay.html

The Worst (and Best) Places to Be Gay in America

By Frank Bruni


...

I don't know if that article is accurate. It is well known that Atlanta is a huge draw for gay African Americans. There is a very large gay population in that city.

[rgolch]

Marothisu, your data is super interesting. The only thing I’d say is, it may be a little difficult to understand the trend without having more information on the 100k+ and 200k+ people. Meaning the change in Chicago is probably partly related to an influx of empty nesters moving from suburbs to city. Whereas sunbelt cities probably don’t have that same phenomenon; at least not to the same extent as Chicago. But don’t get me wrong, a lot of it is also due to white collar people already in the city just killing it.

[LouisVanDerWright]

Originally Posted by urbanpln

I don't know if that article is accurate. It is well known that Atlanta is a huge draw for gay African Americans. There is a very large gay population in that city.

Yeah, but what are they running from? Atlanta itself may be great, but the State of Georgia has a clear bigoted slant on social issues and has made that abundantly clear in recent months. The question is not whether the city of Atlanta is accepting of gays, virtually every large city in the US is, it's whether Bezos is going to have to squabble with the State legislature over round upon round of back ass wards laws they are trying to push that would harass his 50,000 new employees...

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by rgolch

Marothisu, your data is super interesting. The only thing I’d say is, it may be a little difficult to understand the trend without having more information on the 100k+ and 200k+ people. Meaning the change in Chicago is probably partly related to an influx of empty nesters moving from suburbs to city. Whereas sunbelt cities probably don’t have that same phenomenon; at least not to the same extent as Chicago. But don’t get me wrong, a lot of it is also due to white collar people already in the city just killing it.

While there are some empty nesters moving to the city, it's not this many. I disagree with your statement. What we are seeing here is obviously the growth in sectors such as tech, finance, medical, and professional services which all pay well.

For example, one census tract in River north was 27.9% aged 20 to 39 in 2010. In 2016 for the same tract, it was 38.5%. An increase of over 1000 people in that age group in just one tract downtown in just 6 years. In that same period, the population aged 55+ went from 47.1% to 45.4%. That's an increase of a few hundred people, but pales in comparison to the increase of 20 to 39 year olds.

Another tract in gold coast went from 28.1% to 35.9% for the 20-39 age group. That same tract saw a decrease in 55+ year olds..from 55.5% to 43.3%, a decrease of nearly 350 people in that group, but the 20-39 age group increased by 140.

This is also 12 month earnings, so a person who is a retiree making $40k per year moving downtown is not showing up as a 6+ figure earner even if they had $20M in the bank.

[rgolch]

^^ The extent and detail of your data is amazing. And paints a very vivid picture about what's really happening.

Thanks again.

[the urban politician]

^ Yeah I gotta agree

[marothisu]

You can thank the census for having semi granular data. I'll look at change in age groups by community area later but the handful of tracts I pulled showed large increases in 20 to 39 year old population and decrease in percentage for 55+ population.

I haven't found income by age ..I hope it's out there..

[left of center]

Originally Posted by marothisu

I haven't found income by age ..I hope it's out there..

Please share if you do come across it!

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by marothisu

You can thank the census for having semi granular data. I'll look at change in age groups by community area later but the handful of tracts I pulled showed large increases in 20 to 39 year old population and decrease in percentage for 55+ population.

I haven't found income by age ..I hope it's out there..

Anecdote yes, but in my neighborhood this age trend would be very clear I think. Older empty nesters selling and young families with kids (or soon to have kids) moving in.

[marothisu]

I did find some data but I don't like the age ranges for this. This is income by age of the main householder..2016 vs. 2010 for 6+ figures for the entire city

Under 45 years old: +46,667 households (+46.1%)
45-64 years old: +25,184 households (+34.8%)
65+ years old: +14,084 households (+84.8%)

[orulz]

Originally Posted by marothisu

IMO, Georgia government not being nearly as friendly to LGBTQ as many other states and also the whole Delta/NRA thing has basically taken Atlanta out of this HQ2 thing. At this point, I'd be shocked if they were chosen.

It's going to the DC area. Probably Northern Virginia. Not because they have the best bid or because it benefits Amazon's shareholders. Rather, because Jeff Bezos wants more political influence. The whole selection process has been a dog and pony show to get Northern Virginia to cough up some incentives.

[Near North Resident]

Originally Posted by orulz

It's going to the DC area. Probably Northern Virginia. Not because they have the best bid or because it benefits Amazon's shareholders. Rather, because Jeff Bezos wants more political influence. The whole selection process has been a dog and pony show to get Northern Virginia to cough up some incentives.

Exactly... he isn't going to become god emperor of planet earth by eating at nice restaurants in Chicago with a bunch of nobodys

[Baronvonellis]

Really interesting! Is there also info for people making around 60-85k? This would show the gentrifying areas. Since many good office jobs pay around that range, but not necessarily 100k+