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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 2:45 PM
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A half a billion dollar bus roadway to nowhere is certainly not in the best interests of the province.
Exactly which end of the busway do you consider to be 'nowhere', downtown Winnipeg or the University of Manitoba/Investors Group Field/Fort Richmond area?
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 2:48 PM
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Exactly which end of the busway do you consider to be 'nowhere', downtown Winnipeg or the University of Manitoba/Investors Group Field/Fort Richmond area?
I was referring to the proposed eastern BRT. As I have stated before, too much has already been invested in the SW Transitway and it should be completed.
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 3:14 PM
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I was referring to the proposed eastern BRT. As I have stated before, too much has already been invested in the SW Transitway and it should be completed.
Unfortunately, I think the East Corridor is the only one that really requires a dedicated route as there is no direct route between transcona and downtown. The rest could be completed at a fraction of the cost by just having a dedicated transit lane.
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 3:27 PM
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I was referring to the proposed eastern BRT. As I have stated before, too much has already been invested in the SW Transitway and it should be completed.
If we're going to have a rapid transit network across the city then you need to build it out across the city.

But if that's what you believe, are you calling your councillor to demand the cancellation of road projects such as the Chief Peguis Trail extension which will end up in farmland north of the airport? Now that is truly a roadway to nowhere.
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 4:13 PM
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If we're going to have a rapid transit network across the city then you need to build it out across the city.

But if that's what you believe, are you calling your councillor to demand the cancellation of road projects such as the Chief Peguis Trail extension which will end up in farmland north of the airport? Now that is truly a roadway to nowhere.
A rapid transit network should be built where existing ridership and the potential for increased ridership would justify the investment. There is insufficient demand for a half a billion dollar plus bus roadway to Peguis Street and Canterbury Park with not a lot in between, esp. south of Nairn and Regent. If I was for example to live near Talbot and Kent, it would be quicker to use the existing Route 45 - Talbot than to get to Kildonan Place or a station someone south of Nairn and transfer to the BRT. All the while, many of the more densely populated areas of the city are woefully under serviced. Resources should be allocated to a rail-based system along major arteries where ridership is already high and where the transit using demographic already resides. Improvements in these areas would result in a far greater increase in ridership that could be achieved by improving journey times to distant suburbs by a few minutes. There is a reason why the two rapid transit lines in Minnesota's Twin Cities have been successful far beyond expectations.

As for Chief Peguis Trail, it is part of the very long-planned inner ring road and the extension at least to McPhillips is very much needed. It is neither being built as a result of nor to facilitate sprawl.

Like every other city, Winnipeg has to spend money on both public transport and road infrastructure. It's not a question of if one gets the other doesn't, but rather a question of what is the best use of the resources.
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 4:36 PM
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I think the delays that are caused to bus traffic to and from Transcona due to the mess that is the KP area could be easily remedied by designating the middle two lanes of Nairn/Regent for roughly 1 km from just west of Panet to Peguis as bus only with separation from the remaining roadway for boarding/alighting and using priority signalling. This would not interfere with traffic turning right from Regent into the retail areas which is half the cause of the back-up. Regent east of Peguis flows very well even during peak periods.

The existing roadway is wide enough to accommodate this.
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Old Posted May 11, 2018, 7:15 PM
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A half a billion dollar bus roadway to nowhere is certainly not in the best interests of the province.
Unclear to me what this has to do with what we were talking about - cities everywhere are developing rapid transit units, even ones smaller than Winnipeg. Ottawa for example is about 50 years ahead of Winnipeg in terms of its rapid transit strategy. Smart provincial governments are leveraging federal funds to develop their systems. Electric buses are made in Winnipeg. The carbon tax is designed to produce funds that can be reinvested in clean technology such as electric buses, which provides a multiplier effect for the local economy and improves quality of life for citizens. Playing politics isn't about making good decisions, it's about making inefficient decisions to play to a particular constituency.
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