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Old Posted May 8, 2018, 9:02 PM
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Just have to say the last little bit has given me some new perspective on the traffic on the Perimeter and the volumes seems crazy on all fronts. The west side, especially between Portage and McGillivray is nuts. The north between Pipeline and Lag had be taking reroutes through the city and the south around St Mary's is bad but pales to the other two. I haven't been over on the east recently to see what it is like near Gunn Rd but last time I was it was just scary.

Pretty much the Perimeter as a whole is nearing a point where something needs to be done and not just on the south from Kennaston to Lag.
No shocker there. It's a 1966 road operating in a 2018 world. Nothing has changed with the Perimeter in the last 50+ years except for completing the NE segment and building 5 interchanges. Meanwhile population and traffic counts have soared. It would be interesting to get a traffic engineer's perspective on the deficiencies with the Perimeter relative to current standards. I bet there would be many.
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Old Posted May 8, 2018, 9:53 PM
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Has there been, or is anyone going to start, a petition to get these highway programs going (Morris Bypass, St Nobert Bypass, Headingley Bypass, removal of traffic lights on TCH)? If it’s got enough momentum, it sure will become an election issue in 2021. I hope that whichever party gets elected will keep the promise and perform these upgrades then.
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Old Posted May 9, 2018, 2:49 PM
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Has there been, or is anyone going to start, a petition to get these highway programs going (Morris Bypass, St Nobert Bypass, Headingley Bypass, removal of traffic lights on TCH)? If it’s got enough momentum, it sure will become an election issue in 2021. I hope that whichever party gets elected will keep the promise and perform these upgrades then.
Not a bad idea, although a concerted effort for specific improvements might be challenging. We even see it on this forum where everyone has an opinion on what should be done next, rather than go off traffic counts and collisions. Sure, our arguments are likely more informed than a regular Joe, but support for a given improvement is typically on what would best benefit an individual.

People in portage would be more likely to support an interchange at 1 and 16 than a Morris Bypass, and vice versa. St norbert residents more supportive of a bypass from Kenaston to 75 than an interchange at pipeline and perimeter etc...

Given that Manitoba Infrastructure and the current government has put forward the functional design study for south perimeter, that could be a start for a targeted petition. In the documents for that study, MI requested shovel ready designs for Mcgillivray and St Mary's rd interchanges with perimeter.

Even with the government tightening budgets, they might feel compelled to start these 2 projects to appeal to Winnipeg area voters where they tend to be more flip/flopping between NDP and PC, rather than the PCs strong rural support
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Old Posted May 9, 2018, 4:34 PM
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To be honest, in my travels lately McGillvary and the Perimeter isn't quite the hot spot that needs attention. Definitely no hotter than Kennaston/Waverly where the St Nobert by pass would hook in. The challenge with the St Nobert by pass is it is a little hard to pitch building another expensive interchange when the connection road isn't included. At this point I am thinking the CentrePort interchange is the new 59/101 interchange.
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Old Posted May 9, 2018, 4:55 PM
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To be honest, in my travels lately McGillvary and the Perimeter isn't quite the hot spot that needs attention. Definitely no hotter than Kennaston/Waverly where the St Nobert by pass would hook in. The challenge with the St Nobert by pass is it is a little hard to pitch building another expensive interchange when the connection road isn't included. At this point I am thinking the CentrePort interchange is the new 59/101 interchange.
The 'saving grace' for the trainwreck at kenaston, waverley, and 330 (la salle) is that these lights are in close proximity. I don't have data to back this up but I feel the more isolated lights are, the more dangerous. We saw high collision and death rates at pipeline/101 and hwy 1/16 the last 2 summers. I can't recall of any major incident in the last few years at Kenaston, Waverley or 330 (recall bias, I know). Even Brandon's 2 lights have not had deadly collision (quick google news search).

I think the reason McGillivray and St Mary's at Perimeter are on-deck for the next upgrades is due to higher volumes on the non-perimeter roads relative to other intersections, which forces the province to lengthen the light cycle causing backups on perimeter. Kenaston, Waverley, 330, St annes, Dugald, 1/16, pipeline rarely have traffic that waits more than 1 light cycle, whereas McGillivray and St Marys regularly have backed up traffic that leads to impatient driver decisions.
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