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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 9:15 PM
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The residents of San Francisco refuse to loosen zoning laws to allow for more housing so they are the ones to blame. This is the paradox of selfishness.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 11:27 PM
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Its not wishful thinking its what is happening in California, observable every year. The state is almost already a group of hyper-rich and multitudes of desperate poor.

The current direction can be maintained for a very long time because of the resources and wealth within California but it will eventually collapse on itself when enough of the true heavy lifters in tax payment (the middles class) is completely gone.

It cannot last forever and it wont. The stats of today speaks for itself.
The top 1% in California pay 48% of the state income tax. It's actually the rich that are the true heavy lifters, but I do agree that the capacity to support everyone else is not endless.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2018, 6:27 PM
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The residents of San Francisco refuse to loosen zoning laws to allow for more housing so they are the ones to blame. This is the paradox of selfishness.
San Francisco is not the only city in California to use restrictive zoning. We are actually building more housing than all of our Peninsula suburbs. That said, the current 40-foot height overlay is ridiculous. Anything above 40 feet can be challenged via CEQA or discretionary review.

Also, Prop 13 created a massive disincentive for cities to add population. Retail and offices don't use city services the way residents do.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2018, 7:06 PM
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The top 1% in California pay 48% of the state income tax. It's actually the rich that are the true heavy lifters, but I do agree that the capacity to support everyone else is not endless.
Well, sort of. The top 1% does indeed pay a huge percentage of the taxes.. but it's because they also make a huge percentage of the money. Even though they pay a slightly lower rate the upper middle class feels the taxes much more heavily because they don't have the massively outsized incomes to be able to shrug off these taxes. They actually NEED the money.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2018, 10:54 PM
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San Francisco needs to bring back the people’s temple and a Jim Jones-eque charismatic leader to deal with its social issues (without the kool aid obviously) and public pooping.

Radical social movements led by leftist cult leaders are the only solution for the city.

Once upon a time progressives in sf (Harvey milk, Angela Davis, mayor Moscone, Jery brown, Diane Feinstein) stood by and supported the people’s temple, at least until that unfortunate afternoon in Guyana. (After which, their support for Jones was written out of history, of course)

We need leadership willing to take radical direct action!
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Except the Bay Area has arguably the most successful regional economy on the planet. It has the highest median income by CSA in the richest country on earth.
US is not the richest country on earth. It is actually the 10th richest country on the planet.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/...come/35953213/
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US is not the richest country on earth. It is actually the 10th richest country on the planet.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/...come/35953213/
And #1 is Macau... I'd venture to say you're citing a inappropriate metric for the discussion on hand.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2018, 4:18 PM
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And #1 is Macau... I'd venture to say you're citing a inappropriate metric for the discussion on hand.
What makes you say that? They all look good to me although obviously Macau and Hong Kong are part of China, not independent countries.
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