HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Southwest

About The Ads  This week the ad company used in the forum will be monitoring activity and doing some tests to identify any problems which users may be experiencing. If at any time this week you get pop-ups, redirects, etc. as a result of ads please let us know by sending an email to forum@skyscraperpage.com or post in the ads complaint thread. Thank you for your participation.


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #21  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 4:58 AM
azliam azliam is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 459
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obadno View Post
LOL this over the freaking PIN plan? The Pin was always dumb and never would have been built in any circumstance.

Furthermore our excitement on this website has absolutely 0 to do with things getting built..

IF anything now that we have real development to follow we dont need to waste our time on nonsense like the Pin
Did you bother reading my previous post? I clearly stated I was not a fan of the Pin. I'm speaking specifically of anything that could be innovative for Phoenix. Furthermore, I truly believe in density over height; however, just because Phoenix is finally getting "real development" doesn't mean we need to develop to the lowest common denominator while other cities are clearly taking more risks architecturally.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #22  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 8:21 AM
DesertRay DesertRay is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 208
Disagree

I don't know what the hell any of you are talking about.

I *can* move things with just the power of my mind. Whatever you just thought...I made you do that. You're welcome.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #23  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 1:53 PM
azsunsurfer azsunsurfer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 850
I always wondered if it would be cool to build an abstract glass structure/ observation tower (but wouldn't have to be that tall) in the form of a prickly pear cactus. I would think Tempe Town Lake would be a cool location for it.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #24  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 5:16 PM
RonnieFoos RonnieFoos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,394
Quote:
Originally Posted by azliam View Post
Did you bother reading my previous post? I clearly stated I was not a fan of the Pin. I'm speaking specifically of anything that could be innovative for Phoenix. Furthermore, I truly believe in density over height; however, just because Phoenix is finally getting "real development" doesn't mean we need to develop to the lowest common denominator while other cities are clearly taking more risks architecturally.
Just to touch on this...height=density. You can have 300 units taking up an entire block OR you can have 300 units in a 500 footer that takes up a third of the block. Which do you think provides more density? This is why New York is one of the densest cities in the world. It wouldn't be that way if they built block-sized 4 story complexes all over the place, but I digress.

The Pin was an idea in the right direction to get something new for Phoenix, unfortunately, it was a very bland design. But there'a also no reason Phoenix cannot have an observation tower. The old adage, "Build it and they will come", seems to work here very well. I highly doubt an observation tower built here would not have any visitors and would be a failure. Put a few amenities (a coffee bar, restaurant, arcade, etc.) and it would probably do very well.
__________________
Ronnie Garrett
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?memberID=205
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #25  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 5:35 PM
ArchGuy1 ArchGuy1 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieFoos View Post
Just to touch on this...height=density. You can have 300 units taking up an entire block OR you can have 300 units in a 500 footer that takes up a third of the block. Which do you think provides more density? This is why New York is one of the densest cities in the world. It wouldn't be that way if they built block-sized 4 story complexes all over the place, but I digress.

The Pin was an idea in the right direction to get something new for Phoenix, unfortunately, it was a very bland design. But there'a also no reason Phoenix cannot have an observation tower. The old adage, "Build it and they will come", seems to work here very well. I highly doubt an observation tower built here would not have any visitors and would be a failure. Put a few amenities (a coffee bar, restaurant, arcade, etc.) and it would probably do very well.
Did the Pin even have a revolving restaurant planned.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #26  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 5:53 PM
RonnieFoos RonnieFoos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,394
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchGuy1 View Post
Did the Pin even have a revolving restaurant planned.
Not that I'm aware. But if the entire spiral rotated, that may have been kinda cool.
__________________
Ronnie Garrett
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?memberID=205
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #27  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 8:11 PM
azliam azliam is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 459
Sorry to be such a crabass. I get this every time I come to Austin.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #28  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 9:01 PM
Obadno Obadno is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 3,704
Quote:
Originally Posted by azliam View Post
Sorry to be such a crabass. I get this every time I come to Austin.
Austin is overrated.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #29  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 9:56 PM
azliam azliam is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 459
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obadno View Post
Austin is overrated.
I spent my young adult years here in Austin in the late 80s and early 90s. It was a great place and very underrated at the time. It’s grown so much since then and has lost some great establishments along the way as a result of this growth, but has a much more active downtown than Phoenix any day of the week. No contest. I guess that makes it overrated, yeah?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #30  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 10:28 PM
austlar1 austlar1 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Austin
Posts: 2,734
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obadno View Post
Austin is overrated.
Does downtown PHX jump like this on a typical Friday or Saturday night? Pretty cool video that only scratches the surface of downtown ATX. It doesn't even mention the many great food options, the 20 or so high rise residential towers, the several million square feet of new office buidling construction, the great nearby parks and trails, or fully explain the fact that downtown ATX is one of the very few 24/7 city centers in the southern tier of US cities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh99kHLXGKo
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #31  
Old Posted May 30, 2019, 10:33 PM
RonnieFoos RonnieFoos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,394
This is turning into a city comparison discussion. Let's keep on topic please.
__________________
Ronnie Garrett
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?memberID=205
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #32  
Old Posted May 31, 2019, 12:05 AM
fawd fawd is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 394
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obadno View Post
Austin is overrated.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #33  
Old Posted May 31, 2019, 6:06 AM
Obadno Obadno is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 3,704
Quote:
Originally Posted by austlar1 View Post
Does downtown PHX jump like this on a typical Friday or Saturday night? Pretty cool video that only scratches the surface of downtown ATX. It doesn't even mention the many great food options, the 20 or so high rise residential towers, the several million square feet of new office buidling construction, the great nearby parks and trails, or fully explain the fact that downtown ATX is one of the very few 24/7 city centers in the southern tier of US cities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh99kHLXGKo
My statement is not a comparison, In my opinion Austin has a reputation that far outshines what the reality is.

And yes, while downtown is not as alive most nights...yet... Mill Ave and Old Town are just as busy and "hoppin" as that video and have been for decades.

Last edited by Obadno; May 31, 2019 at 6:18 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #34  
Old Posted May 31, 2019, 6:16 AM
Obadno Obadno is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 3,704
Double post
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #35  
Old Posted May 31, 2019, 8:44 AM
DesertRay DesertRay is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 208
Random thoughts

1. I live downtown, and constantly look for places to go for a lovely vista. This is the same instinct that drives many people to hike uphill in the Valley and inflates real estate values. While a Pin Tower-esque proposal might not be THE thing that solves this quest for many, I think that some publicly/semi-publicly accessible view of the environs would sell like hotcakes. Arrange commerce around it to subsidize it, put it near transit, and I think it would become an instant must-do in Phoenix.

2. I saw Austin grow up to what it is. It definitely has more foot traffic most nights, but a lot of that has to do with the stew that spilled out from UT. If ASU keeps growing, expect foot traffic to multiply at all hours of the day. We are at the beginning of the curve, IMHO.
Reply With Quote
     
     
End
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Southwest
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 7:19 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.