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Old Posted Aug 31, 2019, 12:41 AM
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"Down East" is because the Maritimes are downriver along the Saint Lawrence.
Okay thanks! ..I've always wondered about that little quirk, which is used so often that it sounds quite normal.

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One more thing, when I lived in South Carolina, like New York, you'll hear people in the "Low Country" refer to "Upstate" rather often. Upstate is the Greenville-Spartanburg and the surrounding counties.
Yes the term "upstate" is a good one, and is exclusively a U.S reference as far as I know..Is it only used for New York State, or is it common for other States as well?. I've only heard it for New York myself...I'm also curious about other countries' geographical monikers?
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Yes the term "upstate" is a good one, and is exclusively a U.S reference as far as I know..Is it only used for New York State, or is it common for other States as well?
Illinois has "downstate", which is verbal shorthand for anywhere in Illinois outside of Chicagoland.

Hell, we also have "Chicagoland" which is itself a somewhat unique term. I mean, I've never heard of new yorkland or bostonland or torontoland or seattleland or houstonland or londonland or berlinland or moscowland or tokyoland, etc.,

But Chicagoland is totally a commonly used term for metro Chicago. It sounds like it should be the name for some cheesy chicago-themed theme park.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2019, 2:37 AM
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Salt Lake's skyline sucks. It's boxy, small and uninspiring. Great backdrop, tho.
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The Carolinas are East Coast with a lot of historic connections up and down the coast and mixing. The Deep South was LA, MS, AL for sure.
And the FL panhandle.
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Yes the term "upstate" is a good one, and is exclusively a U.S reference as far as I know..Is it only used for New York State, or is it common for other States as well?. I've only heard it for New York myself...I'm also curious about other countries' geographical monikers?
SC has a region dubbed the Upstate. Historically it was the heart of what was then called the Upcountry but today refers to the northwestern portion of the state centered on the Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson CSA.

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Old Posted Aug 31, 2019, 2:58 PM
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Okay thanks! ..I've always wondered about that little quirk, which is used so often that it sounds quite normal.



Yes the term "upstate" is a good one, and is exclusively a U.S reference as far as I know..Is it only used for New York State, or is it common for other States as well?. I've only heard it for New York myself...I'm also curious about other countries' geographical monikers?
"Up north" is used in Michigan to mean everything north I-69 east of Lansing, and north of I-96 west of Lansing. "Upstate" isn't commonly used in conversation, but I've seen it written (presumably by someone not from Michigan) to mean the same thing.
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I opened this thread thinking it meant tears of joy. Which would be weird.

No skylines “make me cry”. Paris would be the most perfectly formed urban landscape in the world without a single building over 8 stories tall (in fact possibly improved for it).

It’s new cities full of cheap painted concrete and autocentric development which, while they don’t make me cry, make me dismayed about the generally low standards that people today have with respect to just about everything. And it’s only going to get worse as humans continue to overbreed.
Precisely, there are too many people like yourself in Paris.
I have respect for you, your oh-so-precious Englishness/Frenchness (even though you probably can't speak Fr), your points, the things you know about and everything, but what the heck?

Building taller is just better at the moment. Do you realize that we'd never have invented any 2-story home by following that kind of maniac point?
It makes me think of French cashiers complaining because of robots that work 24/7 to replace them.
But hey, human cashiers actually have (currently wasted) brains and can do much better things. I know it's sometimes hard to believe, still, it is true.
It's only all about psychological conditioning.

Speaking of which, following your kind of logic, Gutenberg would've been crucified for having developed printing press - which is yet obviously a greatest blessing in human history - because back then, medieval copistes (English: 'amanuensis'?) would find themselves unemployed. Fired!
We probably wouldn't have invented any wheel yet... Jesus Christ, won't you ever bow to evolution sometime? Cause it's good for us all, right?

And "human overbreeding" is mostly due to people who never heard of contraception in poor countries. Hell, they can't even afford any birth control pill.
So now you know what to do of your charity.

Paris' skyline makes me cry because it is wayyyy underwhelming, far below our city's actual wealth.
Skyscrapers are going to allow us to manage more gardens and greenery at street/ground level; just everything we need over here.
It's quite simple. You pile up people in taller buildings, the richer going to the most comfortable penthouses, that's also what is disturbing to many for now, then you get more free room at ground level.
That we badly need over here. It is hotter and hotter in the summer, so we need more trees for people to find shelters in the streets, so that they don't die from heat under the crushing sun. Just like in Spain. The Spaniards have known for long about this.

43.6°C/110.5°F in Saint-Maur-des-Fossés, Val-de-Marne in late July; highest record ever over the Paris region just a month ago, in late July.
My home is in Maisons-Alfort neighboring Saint-Maur, so it must've been just as hot over here.
Thankfully, I was off and away. Temperatures like that are unbearable locally, in this dense environment. Our place wasn't designed for unbreathable summers.
A/C won't be enough to face it. We need much much more greenery, hence skyscrapers to plant more trees in street-level gardens.
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Anybody ever heard of or used the term "flatlanders"?

I've heard it used in Vermont, referring to people from NYC and Jersey. It's not a term of endearment, but rather used in a derogatory manner.

Locally I've head the term "the Flats".
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I spent a fair amount of time in Vermont and never heard of that term.
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I spent a fair amount of time in Vermont and never heard of that term.
The thing is, I don't think there's one Vermonter out there to speak up. My personal experience is, this is quite common.

It's the "locals only" mentality, except from a small mountain town area. Flatlanders outnumber these people 1,000 to 1, but it's out there, 100%, for sure.
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The people that moved from to Vermont from NY and elsewhere did so decades ago. Think Bernie whose been in Burlington 40 something years. He's pretty much a Vermonter. My ex's parents have been there about 30 or so. Her family is from Boston. Her stepfather actually born and raised in Montpelier. It was probably a legit term back in the day when they were being overrun with New Yorkers but i just never heard of it and i was there a lot for about 2 years from 2013-2014.
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Anybody ever heard of or used the term "flatlanders"?
Cheeseheads use "flatlander" as a secondary pejorative for us FIBs.

Which is kinda silly because, while most of Illinois is indeed relentlessly flat, Wisconsin ain't exactly mountain country.

"hey you stupid flatlander FIBs, we have slightly more topographic change than you, haw-haw".
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Paris' skyline makes me cry because it is wayyyy underwhelming, far below our city's actual wealth.
Skyscrapers are going to allow us to manage more gardens and greenery at street/ground level; just everything we need over here.
It's quite simple. You pile up people in taller buildings, the richer going to the most comfortable penthouses, that's also what is disturbing to many for now, then you get more free room at ground level.
That we badly need over here. It is hotter and hotter in the summer, so we need more trees for people to find shelters in the streets, so that they don't die from heat under the crushing sun. Just like in Spain. The Spaniards have known for long about this.
Isn't that what Le Corbusier planned for Paris back 60 or 70 years ago? It might sound more efficient in theory but it just doesn't result in environments that humans find enjoyable.
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Isn't that what Le Corbusier planned for Paris back 60 or 70 years ago? It might sound more efficient in theory but it just doesn't result in environments that humans find enjoyable.
Not exactly in my mind. Le Corbusier should've only been a furniture designer and interior architect. He would've been the greatest ever at these games proper.

But as an urban planner, like at planning a whole damn city, he was only a pathetic 'fascist' (whatever that means).
Or a Sim City player, if you will. He was just a megalomaniac at city planning.
Forget about his visions in that matter.

Contemporary planning involves a lot of people with different interests.
Not just Le Corbusier. Thank God.
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We don’t have “upstate” in Mass, but we do have “down Cape.” As in, “We’re going down Cape this Labor Day weekend.” It’s used all the time, to the point of being part of local news broadcast lexicon. “If you’re headed down Cape this morning, watch out for backup along Rt 3 from the 3A exit all the way to the Sagamore Bridge.”
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"Up north" is used in Michigan to mean everything north I-69 east of Lansing, and north of I-96 west of Lansing. "Upstate" isn't commonly used in conversation, but I've seen it written (presumably by someone not from Michigan) to mean the same thing.
Yes..Same for Ontario."Up North" is used for Northern Ontario.
We do have a "Central Ontario" region, which is maybe 2 hours North of Toronto, but South of North Bay and or Sudbury..It's mostly called "Cottage Country" though. This includes the Muskokas/ Parry sound area. Very touristy and busy during the Summer.Lots of Wealthy Torontonians have their cottages in that area, and it's where lots of the locals in that area refer to the city people as "citidiots"..I laughed the first time I heard that reference which seems to be exclusive to Central Ontarians.

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We don’t have “upstate” in Mass, but we do have “down Cape.” As in, “We’re going down Cape this Labor Day weekend.” It’s used all the time, to the point of being part of local news broadcast lexicon. “If you’re headed down Cape this morning, watch out for backup along Rt 3 from the 3A exit all the way to the Sagamore Bridge.”
Interesting.
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We have "high country" that some Phoenicians use to refer to everything north of Phoenix. The phrase amuses me, partly because Flagstaff is a dirty hippieville and one of the town's unofficial mottos (remember, we're at 7,000 feet elevation) is "the only thing higher than the elevation are the people"
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We don’t have “upstate” in Mass, but we do have “down Cape.” As in, “We’re going down Cape this Labor Day weekend.” It’s used all the time, to the point of being part of local news broadcast lexicon. “If you’re headed down Cape this morning, watch out for backup along Rt 3 from the 3A exit all the way to the Sagamore Bridge.”
Good one. I forgot about that. I used to dread the approach to the Bourne Bridge and the rotary on the way to Woods Hole --> auto ferry to Martha's Vineyard.
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Hi everyone, this is my first time posting here.

Phoenix's skyline is pretty dissapointing. It's also just endlessly sprawling there.
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Hi everyone, this is my first time posting here.

Phoenix's skyline is pretty dissapointing. It's also just endlessly sprawling there.
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