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Old Posted Mar 22, 2019, 1:13 AM
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the crown of diamond shapes is extremely complicated . .
yeah,and interesting . . (& therefore very expensive) . .
that's why the diamonds had to go . .
But disagreeing with the, comment above, it was hardly
"the only thing special about it", [about Foster's final design] . .
Im not talking Foster's original WTC proposal here . .
(as seen just above, or on the previous page) which itself,
was definitely pretty fabulous . .

There is not a single square floor-plate anywhere in this Foster structure . .
All the angles & cut outs, lining up vertically, on every single level,
& angle the building's vertical side-planes, to one another . .
which gives the edifice beauty, in the diversity of light, top to bottom . .
Floor-plate complexity, also makes Foster's design for "2" very expensive . .
To be clear, that is why the Foster version was scrapped . . Money . .
not the bogus, devil's bargain, Fox-Silverstein-Ingles rationale . .
of News-floor sizing, that could've been configured into the Foster plan . .

Those floor cut-outs, that created the external upright notches,
rising uninterrupted from ground to sky, up through the middle of the sides,
may be easily ignored, by the casual observer . .
But they cut the broad bulk of the building visually . .
People may not consciously notice, but they'll catch the sophisticated vibe
of these upward indents, which look deceptively, sublimely simple . .
These deep, up & down grooves, give the building a powerful upward sky-
scraper-design thrust . .

I, personally, happen to like Foster's 2WTC best from the North,
the East . . & the on-axis North-East viewpoint especially . .
where the diamonds aren't even visible . .
Those viewpoints present the simple, verticality of the tower,
rising unadulterated into a clean pointed silhouette top-line . .
further accentuating its quintessential streamlined
skyscraper design . .

BTW, the crown of diamond shapes, of Foster's tower 2, respectfully defers
to the preeminent 1WTC crown by angling away from it . . allowing it space . .
In the Ingles version, the "crown" is, of course a mere pedestrian box . .
atop an ungainly jumble of other boxes, tumbling rudely, towards the
internationally famous crown & "spire" of David Child's tower 1 . .
the pinnacle of our downtown skyline . .

And only does the SW Corner of Ingles', otherwise horizontally appointed
version of 2WTC, have a skytscraper-enhansing vertical aspect . .
From the North and East, the Ingles version, is a cheaper composition of
egregiously sideways-thrusting lines, in a motif of wide, pancaked boxes . .
a 1300 ft. 'anti-skyscraper" configuration . .
Sorry Bjark, wrong skyline location, to play contrarian . .

There's the above comment that "Anyone who seriously thinks it
[the Foster] was a much better design is only fooling themselves."
Well to that, I'd NOT say . . the Foster concept, WAS a much better design . .
at this stage, I'd still unapologetically affirm, Foster's design IS far superior
. . Of the 2 massive proposals, it's the more worthy to be built . .
and it's alright, even important to say so . .
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Can't wait for Foster's design to rise. The sooner the better.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2019, 3:51 PM
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I will change my screen name to Poetry Spook f/k/a JM Keynes.

Here’s My poem:

I can’t wait for....

... 200 Greenwich to rise...

... before my eyes!

I hope that it’s on the way to...

Soaring...

High in the sky....

By the twentieth anniversary.

I like Foster, and I like BIG!

Only in NY...

Can you dig?
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2019, 4:12 PM
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Can we just Get It Done???

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yOU knoW I haven't been able to put into words what you've so eloquently. I knew of all the characteristics u've mention, but just wished I had the skills to perpetuate my thoughts on paper. You are my hero.
The Ingle design looks as if some kid was trying to impress his/her kindergarten teacher by stacking up boxes and calling it a building. HEHE!
The Forster design will always have more character, but never thought of the financial aspect of the project. It's sad if that is the case. Just thinking how Hudson Yards was plan, financed, and manifested within a decade, and we're still waiting for Silverstein... I'm just saying...
     
     
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I used to be like "Why the hell is this person (artspook) typing like this?" But now I enjoy it. It's fun to read and different. And they have interesting insight.
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It depends on what angle you're looking at the building from. From the South and West, it looks fine, from the North (and maybe East) it looks pretty messy/ugly to me.

I'd still prefer this over nothing though, and to each their own.
Looks so Montessori ..

     
     
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I will change my screen name to Poetry Spook f/k/a JM Keynes.

Here’s My poem:

I can’t wait for....

... 200 Greenwich to rise...


I think we've all been waiting since the dawn of time
When we were still playing with blocks
Now seeing those blocks
Rise above these blocks
Sadly kids these days don't play with blocks
They play with glocks

Possibly 200 Greenwich was inspired by children playing with blocks?

But still better than a Kaufman design, which was from the era when blocks were made from lead
causing facades that run blood red
and setbacks that give a new meaning to lean back

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I understand what was the idea architect had. He wanted to keep the parallel lines of one of the facets of Freedom Tower with the WTC 2. The issue is nothing in nature has a thinner stem at the ground with growing bulkier as it goes up. That is why we look at it as something unnatural. We want things to grow from a more massive foundation to a skinnier , and only then add the top. The tower looks clumsy only from perspectives where we can see the thinner part growing into more massive , bulky volume upwards.
I would be happy to rework it and post it here as I see it if it is allowed here.
     
     
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I took one of the pictures/renderings posted here and reworked the WTC 2. What do you think? I just don`t know how could I insert a picture here.
https://www.deviantart.com/iamadvanc...0%3A1555697816
     
     
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^ Much better, imo. I'd still like to see a spire though.
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I just read in the FT that the Qataris will invest $45b in NY over the next four years. Hopefully, $4b of that will be for 2 WTC!
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2019, 10:34 PM
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As per the 19 April 2019, FT: "For the Qatari fund, the deal represents its latest move to deepen its presence in the US, where it plans to invest as much as $45bn in the coming years." Once again, $4B for 2 WTC would be nice.
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I just read in the FT that the Qataris will invest $45b in NY over the next four years. Hopefully, $4b of that will be for 2 WTC!
Could you post the link that states 45 billion in NY? I want to read it and can't find it.

All that comes up pertains to SoftBank.

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https://www.ft.com/content/59378b8a-...5-3acd5d43599e

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Could you post the link that states 45 billion in NY? I want to read it and can't find it.

All that comes up pertains to SoftBank.

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https://www.ft.com/content/59378b8a-...5-3acd5d43599e
Hi, Chris. I re-read the article and put in the quote. It’s $45b for the US, but I’d imagine that most of that will be in NY, with lesser amounts in LA and Miami.

https://www.ft.com/content/59378b8a-...5-3acd5d43599e
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Let's hope. I see they are considering some of Vornados properties.

Hopefully they take advantage of the Midtown East rezoning and some parcels on the West Side. Prime recipe for large scale assemblages.

The Park Lane site would be nice. I wonder if Silverstien would consider using such capital. Build on-spec type of scenario, in which, over time, smaller tenants will help fill the void until a large one can be ascertained.
     
     
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this building is last to rise at the wtc.
i think that the people should be able to vote on the design (foster or BIG) they want built. and maybe even vote for a new design entirely.

IMO, i believe that we should build a twin to 1 WTC on the spot, but with the foundations and core of 2 already there, that is not exactly possible.

all that said, i think that there should be something rising at the site before 9/11/2021, and everything finished by 2026.
     
     
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this building is last to rise at the wtc.
i think that the people should be able to vote on the design (foster or BIG) they want built. and maybe even vote for a new design entirely.

Ridiculous. It's the tenant that will get this tower built, and that's all that matters. Besides, putting something like this in the hands of "the people", we'd be lucky to get anything above 50 stories.
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