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Old Posted Jun 8, 2012, 1:21 AM
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Ivor Wynne Stadium project secret until September

http://www.hamiltonnews.com/news/ivo...til-september/

Hamilton residents won’t know the cost nor the design of the new Ivor Wynne Stadium until at least late September.

The request for proposals for the stadium, velodrome, and the new athletics stadium at York University for the 2015 Pan Am Games closed last week, and provincial and Toronto 2015 officials are reviewing the projects’ designs, and costs applications over the next two months. A preferred company, and design, will be selected in August, said officials. But the winning bid, and cost of the project, won’t be revealed until Sept. 26 when the company, cost and design of the new stadium will be released to the public. City staff added that only the winning bid will be available to the public, and the other two bids will be kept secret.

“It’s very difficult being left in the dark,” said Councillor Bernie Morelli, who represents the area where Ivor Wynne Stadium is located.

Added Ancaster councillor Lloyd Ferguson, chair of the Pan Am Stadium sub-committee: “We don’t have enough information,” said Ferguson. “I’m very uncomfortably with the secrecy.”

City staff, though, are privy to some budget, design, and cost information from the proponents, but they are required to keep the information from the public because they signed a confidentiality agreement insisted by the province. Representatives from Infrastructure Ontario were asked to appear before the committee May 28, but Ferguson said they declined the invitation.

Gerry Davis, general manager of public works, said city staff is obligated to operate under the secretive restrictions. But he assured Ferguson that they are protecting Hamilton’s interests.

“I understand your frustrations,” said Davis. “We are not sitting back. We are poking holes. There are still unanswered questions. Questions like, can we afford it?”

Hamilton council established a $45 million budget ceiling for the stadium. If the project’s design’s costs are higher than the city’s contribution, politicians will have to re-consider the city’s contribution to the stadium.

Tony Tollis, the city’s treasurer, said the new stadium needs to meet three priorities: the use of the stadium; the proposed design, and the city and province’s final budget.

The prequalified three firms that have submitted bids are consortiums composed of national and internal companies. They are Bird Turner Stadium Company, Ontario Sports Solutions and United Sports.

Construction on the new stadium isn’t scheduled to begin until Dec. 2, 2012, with a substantial completion of the project expected by July 1, 2014.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2012, 10:39 AM
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So you were involved in months of negotiations and everything was rolling along smoothly, and you had nary a hint of any qualms from your bargaining partner until one day they dropped a bombshell and your plans went up in smoke? And yet the only irony Mr. Mitchell detects is related to the business dealings of Bob Young's MRX and the Vanier Cup? Too rich.


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In a move that has stunned the entire Hamilton football community, McMaster University has told the Tiger-Cats that they cannot play any part of their 2013 season at the university’s Ron Joyce Stadium.

For at least six months the CFL franchise and the university, which has come to be known for its own football team, have been discussing the Ticats using Ron Joyce Stadium for at least four games next July and August while the new Pan Am Games stadium is being constructed on the site of the franchise’s current home at Ivor Wynne Stadium.

The Ticats were planning to front-end their 2013 schedule with home games so that as many as five could be played on the Mac campus before Labour Day weekend when the bulk of students return for the school year.

But at 1 p.m. Thursday, Mac athletic director Jeff Giles, himself a former executive in the Canadian Football League, called the Ticats to say there would be no deal of any kind.

“We’d been meeting for six months and had got down to a lot of the finer details,” said a clearly miffed Scott Mitchell, the Ticats president. “And we’d had no negative feedback at all.”

“I guess we’re very disappointed in the way the news was delivered. It had all been positive and then to be given the final decision in a call, without any discussion beforehand,” Mitchell said. “And they had been planning to issue a press release right away.”

Having a good relationship with the CFL team is important to the university, said Andrea Farquhar, McMaster’s assistant vice-president for public and government relations.

But after consultation with stakeholders, including students, neighbours and Hamilton Health Sciences, the university decided that having Ron Joyce Stadium host Ticats games wasn’t feasible. Chief among the concerns raised, Farquhar said, was traffic congestion and the possibility that patient and ambulance access to the hospital could be impeded.

The impact on the more than 10,000 students attending summer classes and noise from game day activities in a residential area were also factors, Farquhar said. She noted to increase seating capacity to 15,000 from 5,500 would have involved temporary stands on three sides of Ron Joyce Stadium and the closure of Michell Crescent for three months.

The Ticats are renting several Mac facilities including residence rooms and the stadium for their training camp and have been doing so annually since Bob Young bought the team for the 2004 season. It’s estimated the Cats pay Mac about $200,000 during each training camp.

The Ticats had other possibilities for the 2013 games that will now be Mac-less, and it appears the University of Western Ontario will be the beneficiary. The Labour Day game is likely to be at Rogers Centre in Toronto but most of the other games could now go to Western, although Moncton has a greater chance.

Terese Quigley, the former athletics director at Mac, is now athletics director at Western. And the Western Mustangs’ head coach Greg Marshall also coached at Mac and was Young’s first coach with the Ticats. Both have strong relationships with the Tiger-Cats and each is a huge supporter of the team playing there.

“We’ll be fine,” Mitchell said. “I quite like what this will turn into next year. “We were under no illusion whatsoever that Mac had any obligation to host games. But we’ve been trying for the sake of our Hamilton-based fans to keep as many games as possible in Hamilton and Mac would be perfect for that. Our regional fans will be OK, but this will be hard on those who live in Hamilton and can’t get around as easily. We’ll try to keep the games as close to Hamilton as possible.”

That could include places such as Waterloo and Guelph, but bet on most of the games going to London, where the stadium is slightly removed from the main campus.

On Grey Cup weekend in Vancouver last November, the McMaster Marauders, behind quarterback Kyle Quinlan, upset Laval for their first Vanier Cup.

“I find it ironic that it was MRX (a holding company that plans the Vanier Cup and also owns the Ticats) paired the Vanier Cup and Grey Cup together and Mac seemed to be having a pretty great time at that,” Mitchell said.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2012, 6:52 PM
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2012, 2:11 AM
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The irony is delicious.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2012, 7:39 PM
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As funny as this is, it's a double screw for Hamilton and our Tiger Cat fans. We won't be able to go to games in our city and we will lose whatever economic benefits they have to London. It's a lose / lose.

I do respect Mac's decision however. I was at the campus the other day and rode by the stadium and tried to imagine 30,000 football fans squeezing in there. Parking would be easy though, with all the lots on the other side of Cootes and the shuttle buses.

I just hope the City does not have to take the financial wallop over this.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2012, 3:43 AM
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That's a valid point, though it's always been my impression that professional sports teams are a financial burden on communities. Doesn't the City subsidize the Ti-Cats? Some bars and restaurants might take a bit of a hit I suppose...
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That's a valid point, though it's always been my impression that professional sports teams are a financial burden on communities. Doesn't the City subsidize the Ti-Cats? Some bars and restaurants might take a bit of a hit I suppose...
The economic activity generated by the team was well documented during the protracted location discussions last year, and they significantly outweighs any of the subsidies delivered to The Ticats to assist in operating out of the outdated facilities at Ivor Wynne, and they end when the new facility opens.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2012, 6:08 PM
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I can see the headlines now

Do to incredible fan support in the 2013 season the Hamilton Tiger cats are being relocated to London Ontario.

That would go over really well!
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2012, 12:48 AM
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The economic activity generated by the team was well documented during the protracted location discussions last year, and they significantly outweighs any of the subsidies delivered to The Ticats to assist in operating out of the outdated facilities at Ivor Wynne, and they end when the new facility opens.
How about the $150M in public monies for this stadium? Taken that into account have you?
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2012, 11:24 AM
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To suggest the stadium construction cost is simply another handout to the Ticats is completely disingenuous. The $150 million is for a stadium that is the property of the City of Hamilton. The Ticats may be the principal tenant in a facility owned by the city, but the building will be ours, not theirs.

Many civic events have been hosted in this facility, from high school sports to religious festivals (Feast of St. Anthony is being held there this Sunday) . The city is the beneficiary of over $100 million of higher-level government funding so that the city can replace the aging stadium and continue to have such a facility available for use and enjoyment by its citizens. With a modern facility, many more types of events can be hosted here, further enriching the civic community.
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Well played, Barbera but this is yet another massive public handout to a professional sports franchise. Full stop. Those other parties don't need a $150M stadium to host their events. And even if they did, I wouldn't support that either.
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The Cats pay rent just like anyone who wants to use the stadium. I think around $250,000 every game the Cats pay the city.

This is a $100mil investment from higher levels of government to a civic owned building that enhances the city on many levels. It's our stadium, just like the libraries, public pools, roads. And if it gets built first class, like I think it will, it will be a good revenue stream for the City.


Stuart/Tiffany well know that we own that toxic dump that no one is interested in because it's surrounded by NIMBYs and a rail yard, it no longer brings in taxes and costs us money in maintenance. Thanks to Fred jumping the gun on land acquisition.
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Just can't wait until all the WH supporters see something like this in Ward 3.

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Just can't wait until all the WH Maniacs when they see something like this in Ward 3.
That looks awful.
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Just can't wait until all the WH Maniacs when they see something like this in Ward 3.
My objections to the Ivor Wynne location have absolutely nothing to do with the design of the stadium.

(That's Houston's new stadium, right? I like it... Hopefully we can get something that nice here.)
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New stadium will be ready in 2014

Rick Zamperin 900CHML.com 06/25/2012

A city councillor believes Hamilton's Pan Am Stadium will be ready for the start of the 2014 Ticats season.

Lloyd Ferguson told CHML's Bill Kelly Show, a labour dispute would be the only thing that would stop the winning bidder from finishing the project on time.

A technical evaluation of each bid is currently being conducted before financial evaluations are done in August.

Ferguson says the winning bid will be selected in late September.

The plan is to demolish Ivor Wynne Stadium following the CFL's East Division Final in November.

He says the target date to complete the Pan Am Stadium is July 1st 2014.

The Blue Bombers new stadium in Winnipeg was scheduled to open this month, but construction has been plagued by weather delays.

The Bombers stadium is now slated to open next year.
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That seems really ambitious. Investors Group Field [Winnipeg] broke ground in the Spring of 2010 and, as stated in the article, won't be ready until next year. The timeline for Pan Am stadium is pretty tight indeed.
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I believe we have from November 2012 until end of June 2014, right? That's 19 months

Compare to in the MLS:
BBVA Compass Stadium - 15 months
Livestrong Sporting Park - 19 months
PPL Park - 18 months
BMO Field - 13 months
Red Bull Arena - 42 months
Rio Tinto Stadium - 26 months

I have no idea why those last two took so long.
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^ Compass Stadium truly is remarkable in that time frame.

BMO is nothing but bleachers it should've taken 2 months. The whole stadium feels like temporary seating.

But I'd like if we got a Rio Tinto or Red Bull. This is not going to be managed by Hamilton. The best way to stay on budget and on time (other than getting Lloyd Ferguson involved) is to keep the City of Hamilton and NIMBYs and haters out of it. One of the three bidders built Compass, let's hope they win.
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