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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 3:16 AM
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Thumbs up Why does Fresno have a higher population then Sacramento?

Does anybody have a plausible explanation as to why Fresno has a higher population than Sacramento? According to Wikipedia, Fresno is about the same size as the city of Sacramento, yet Sacramento trails by almost 10,000-15,000.

Is it because Fresno went on an annexation spree of inhabited areas?
Has Fresno been on a building spree and added more to its population?

At one time, Sacramento (pre-1980ish) had a higher population then Fresno. But after the 1980 census Fresno overtook Sacramento.

Does anybody know how Fresno added to its population then?

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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 3:42 AM
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Who cares? Fresno is a shithole.
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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 4:52 AM
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Does anybody have a plausible explanation as to why Fresno has a higher population than Sacramento? According to Wikipedia, Fresno is about the same size as the city of Sacramento, yet Sacramento trails by almost 10,000-15,000.

Is it because Fresno went on an annexation spree of inhabited areas?
Has Fresno been on a building spree and added more to its population?

At one time, Sacramento (pre-1980ish) had a higher population then Fresno. But after the 1980 census Fresno overtook Sacramento.

Does anybody know how Fresno added to its population then?

Hello everybody, BTW. I'm new to the forum.
Welcome to the forum. I believe you can pack a lot of people into 9 sq miles. Fresno: 105 sq miles, Sacramento: 96 sq miles.
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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 5:34 AM
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Does anybody have a plausible explanation as to why Fresno has a higher population than Sacramento? According to Wikipedia, Fresno is about the same size as the city of Sacramento, yet Sacramento trails by almost 10,000-15,000.

Is it because Fresno went on an annexation spree of inhabited areas?
Has Fresno been on a building spree and added more to its population?

At one time, Sacramento (pre-1980ish) had a higher population then Fresno. But after the 1980 census Fresno overtook Sacramento.

Does anybody know how Fresno added to its population then?

Hello everybody, BTW. I'm new to the forum.
Why does Sacramento have a higher pop than Minneapolis, Atlanta and Miami?? Why is the sky blue? I don't know, it just is. SF is only 49 square miles and its over 800,000, Sac is twice the size of SF but a lower pop. Who cares of Fresno has more people.

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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 4:09 PM
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Incordial bunch, Stephemento ! It's all about population divided by square miles equals density. SF and San Jose are good examples. SF has roughly 800,000 people while nearby San Jose is pushing a million. (hell, it may have it by now)... The former; 47 sq mi. The latter; over 300 sq mi. Big dif in density. You do the math. For me, metro pops are more important to look at than city pops.

What's more, Sac still has a lot of uninhabited space within it's city limits (North Natomas) that can still fit large amounts -- although that is quickly changing. Fresno, does not.
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Old Posted May 31, 2008, 2:39 AM
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Fresno isn't landlocked by its suburbs like Sacramento. Clovis, with about 80,000 people, is Fresno's only real suburb. The city of Fresno has been able to grow by annexing vast tracts of unincorporated Fresno county.

Sacramento and Fresno areas population exploded over the last 20 years and mostly for the same reasons. (Also Stockton, Modesto, and Bakersfield.) But most of Fresno area's growth went to the city of Fresno or areas that were later annexed into the city of Fresno, while most of Sacramento area's growth went to the suburbs.

More than 50% of Fresno MSA's population lives in the city of Fresno. Less than 25% of Sacramento MSA's population lives in the city of Sacramento. If Elk Grove had become part of Sacramento rather than its own incorporated city then Sacramento would be larger than Fresno today.
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Old Posted May 31, 2008, 3:26 AM
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Fresno isn't landlocked by its suburbs like Sacramento. Clovis, with about 80,000 people, is Fresno's only real suburb. The city of Fresno has been able to grow by annexing vast tracts of unincorporated Fresno county.

Sacramento and Fresno areas population exploded over the last 20 years and mostly for the same reasons. (Also Stockton, Modesto, and Bakersfield.) But most of Fresno area's growth went to the city of Fresno or areas that were later annexed into the city of Fresno, while most of Sacramento area's growth went to the suburbs.

More than 50% of Fresno MSA's population lives in the city of Fresno. Less than 25% of Sacramento MSA's population lives in the city of Sacramento. If Elk Grove had become part of Sacramento rather than its own incorporated city then Sacramento would be larger than Fresno today.


You explained it well. Fresno has enjoyed rapid growth as you noted as well as annexation.

It's interesting to note that Sacramento almost went after Laguna West for annexation, but backed off when Elk Grove saw that the city of Sacramento eyeing that area and quickly petitioned LAFCO to have Laguna West fall under their sphere of influence. Of course EG eventually annexed Laguna West themselves and Laguna West wasn't too eager to join Sacramento. In retrospect though I wonder if residents regret that decision considering what is happening to Elk Grove.
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Clovis, with about 80,000 people, is Fresno's only real suburb.
Suburb of a suburb? Wow thats crazy
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Old Posted May 31, 2008, 5:50 PM
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Suburb of a suburb? Wow thats crazy


Call it a "suburb" if you will, but it still doesn't erase the fact that Fresno is still the largest "city "in the Central Valley. I'm not sure why it matters to people anyway?

What is important, is how it grows. Like Sacramento Fresno has soaked up valuable open space in favor of sprawl (unfortunately).

But like Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, a healthy Fresno is in the best interest of the Valley as a whole.
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Old Posted May 31, 2008, 9:13 PM
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Both cities, like pretty much every Western city that could, soaked up that valuable open space because, at the time, it was cheap open space. Cities that annexed outlying areas have traditionally done better (in terms of minimizing population loss during the suburban era) than cities that did not or could not do so.

Fresno is not a suburb, it's just a typical Western city. Majin considers anything that isn't a skyscraper to be a suburb (like the eight-story suburban ranch house he lives in) so it kind of skews his perspective a bit.
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Does anybody have a plausible explanation as to why Fresno has a higher population than Sacramento? According to Wikipedia, Fresno is about the same size as the city of Sacramento, yet Sacramento trails by almost 10,000-15,000.

Is it because Fresno went on an annexation spree of inhabited areas?
Has Fresno been on a building spree and added more to its population?

At one time, Sacramento (pre-1980ish) had a higher population then Fresno. But after the 1980 census Fresno overtook Sacramento.

Does anybody know how Fresno added to its population then?

Hello everybody, BTW. I'm new to the forum.
Are you looking at the city limits or and the MSA's?
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2008, 9:07 PM
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The good news from Downtown Fresno is that last week the former Fresno Hilton, which has sat empty and abandoned for the last 5 years, reopened as the Fresno Holiday Inn, after a total gut and remodel. It's a real lift for a Downtown that hasn't seen much construction since the Grizzlies AAA baseball stadium went up in 2002.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2008, 9:10 PM
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The good news from Downtown Fresno
I stopped reading there.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2008, 9:21 PM
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Allright, no free cocktail coupons to the Fresno Holiday Inn's 9th floor Sky Room lounge for you, Majin!
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2008, 9:32 PM
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2008, 4:23 AM
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The good news from Downtown Fresno is that last week the former Fresno Hilton, which has sat empty and abandoned for the last 5 years, reopened as the Fresno Holiday Inn, after a total gut and remodel.


That's good to hear...
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Monday, January 5, 2009
Arden Arcade group wants out of general plan
Sacramento Business Journal - by Michael Shaw Staff writer

A group hoping for Arden Arcade cityhood is asking Sacramento to remove the area from its draft 2030 General Plan, where Arden Arcade appears as a special study area. A special study area is a region outside of city limits were the city has designs on annexation and where communities might support the idea of annexation.

The city council is expected to vote on adopting the plan at a Jan. 20 meeting.

The group objecting to future annexation is the Arden Arcade Incorporation Committee, which tried unsuccessfully to get the cityhood issue on the November ballot.

Arden Arcade is an area of Sacramento County east of the Sacramento city limits.

The group plans a news conference about the issue on Jan. 15.

http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sa...l?surround=lfn
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So I had something negative to say last night about these people, but lost it and now it's morning. Something along the lines of that area is not a city, everyone describes it as Sacramento, so just go away already. You know, the same old thing that's always said about this group.
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Just been driving around and man, there is soo much county land. I wonder if the counties budget would be helped if we annex some of it.
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2009, 12:37 AM
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Just been driving around and man, there is soo much county land.
Welcome to 1970, I hope you enjoy your stay

But seriously, you just now finding out county land area is huge? Isn't the population of unincorporated sacramento county like 800k?
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