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Originally Posted by joshlemer
In my opinion, tall skyscrapers seem a bit passé. All of the most charming (and livable/dense) neighborhoods that I have seen have not been made of skyscrapers, but rather in the 2-7 storey range. For example the plateau and
Mile End neighborhoods in Montreal, large parts of Quebec City and Vancouver are much(!!) more dense and livable than anywhere in Winnipeg and yet not because of having high rises. |
True, but that's what cities that already have tall structures say.
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Originally Posted by trueviking
TNS is all glass. Pretty shocking. It must have an unbelievably expensive mechanical system to compensate for that.
I wouldn’t count on 360 being all glass. Not only is it well over budget, it is much less likely that residential can afford the technology to compensate for irresponsible decisions like all glass and meet energy code requirements.
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1) Yes, TNS does have a very expensive mech system
2) Do you mean 300 or 360? Technically 360 is all glass with panels behind said glass in between floors. Or mostly all glass, for all intents and purposes.
As for 300, it looks like all glass... and what choice does anyone have? It's a steel structure due to load constraints, so it was always going to have window wall or curtain wall as concrete is heavier. In our climate, window wall is a bigger risk, so this is a curtain wall I think.
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Originally Posted by 1ajs
who knows maybe artis reit will do a vanity project. as long as it can be done with out debt and genirates revenue im sure they will go with it
anyhow
when was one canada built? aka investers group tower
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REITs don't really do vanity projects. Money to be made elsewhere... 300 and especially 360, (considering the relatively low extra revenue generated by just a curtain wall) are as vanity as I'm sure it would get. Artis is conservative, so a project has to check out.
That said, if you frequent the Canada section and tallest proposals thread, apparently they have a sexy monstrosity proposed in Toronto. Alas some ppl in that section leave little incentive for me to post there, which happened again lol. Around Jan 2-3 or 4th I think it was posted. Just can't expect that in Wpg.
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Originally Posted by pegcityboy
Just curious how can 300 main be at least 10 mil over budget when foundation is built already so no costly digging etc ? I guess maybe materials very expensive for outer shell ?
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I've heard current costs are actually quite reasonable. Scope has fluctuated obviously based on the renderings developed over time, so that could be a culprit. Perhaps the whole foundation advantage was over-estimated? It appears designed towards the high end in lieu of foundation savings, so perhaps they checked too many options at the Mercedes dealer lol.
However, as per True Viking's suggestions, if it is all glass like TNS then the mech systems and glass itself are going to be big ticket items. Then factor in the umpteenth code requirement changes, and it adds up.
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